Can you fall from being saved?

[Godzchild]

I think as we mature, spiritually, God leads us to a deeper understand but when He thinks we are able to handle it.

 

[Entertaining_Angels]

I think as we mature, spiritually, God leads us to a deeper understand but when He thinks we are able to handle it.

I agree completely. Although, must admit, I haven't felt ready but God does know what He's doing and I'm pretty amazed by what He is doing in my life.

 

[Godzchild]

I don't think I've felt ready either...it just happens. God has a way of revealing just that itsy teeny tiny bit...and to us that's HUUUUUUUGE LOL

 

[ronmathison]

Christians are a new creation. God writes His law on our hearts. Jesus speaks of a living water welling up to eternal life. If one has eternal life, how long will it last? Will it not last forever?

 

[TreeOfLife]

Christians are a new creation. God writes His law on our hearts. Jesus speaks of a living water welling up to eternal life. If one has eternal life, how long will it last? Will it not last forever?

Good point.

 

[KleinerApfel]

Yes, eternal life is forever! That's good news. I needed some of that today.

 

[Lynn73]

Evidently eternal doesn't really mean eternal to some. If I have to help get myself to heaven, then I may as well give up hope, that's all I can say. I'll never be good enough.

 

[TreeOfLife]

Sue and Lynn, there is no better news!


Gospel, Gut Spiel, Good message.

The Gospel is a "Good Message".

ToL

 

[aggie03]

Christians are a new creation. God writes His law on our hearts. Jesus speaks of a living water welling up to eternal life. If one has eternal life, how long will it last? Will it not last forever?

When does one receive eternal life?

 

[Godzchild]

On belief!

"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believe in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life." (John 3: 16)

"If thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised Him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation." (Romans 10: 9,10)

These verses and many other in the Word of God show us that anyone who, by faith, received Jesus Christ as Saviour has eternal life immediately. The Apostle John tells us that his Gospel was written, "that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through His name." (John 20:31)

Those who believe have eternal salvation. Jesus Himself said: "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth My word, and believeth on Him that sent Me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life." (John 5:24)

John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

John 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

I believe it!

 

[Santo]

Let's take this situation for an example...

Let's say this man discovers Christ through a life of hardship. He's a very intelligent man who is often a skeptic. Well he finds Christ and dedicates his life to him for 10 years. He was saved. Until he comes across to someone to feed him lies about how there is no evidence for Christ. His skeptic nature kicks in and he walks away from Christ because of this evidence.



He was saved from the heart. It says once you are saved you are pre-destined and you cannot be taken away from him.



So if this gentlemen is a full blown athiest now, is he still secured in heaven?



"And let's say in another situation someone was saved and 10 years later they live a life of sin."



What will happen?

The answer to this question should be very simple, but some tend to make it complicated because of their lack of true biblical understanding and just plain logic.

Coming to the true knowledge of god and Christ and them claiming that you no longer believe is like seeing the light with your eyes and then trying to say that you have never seen light. The truth of knowing god is ALWAYS TRUE and it’s permanent, you can not reject it. The only way that someone can say that they have never seen the light IS if they actually HAVE NEVER SEEN the light. Therefore those that do not believe in jesus have never truly believed from the start. They have NO IDEA of who he is otherwise they would have never left him, showing that their claim was never real. (1 John 2:19)

Therefore it is my understanding that if a person claims to have known jesus and now claims that there is no jesus is like me saying that I owned a genuine seven hundred dollar bill at one time, but now I realize that there has never been a seven hundred dollar bill, making me a liar.

 

[TreeOfLife]

The answer to this question should be very simple, but some tend to make it complicated because of their lack of true biblical understanding and just plain logic.

Coming to the true knowledge of god and Christ and them claiming that you no longer believe is like seeing the light with your eyes and then trying to say that you have never seen light. The truth of knowing god is ALWAYS TRUE and it’s permanent, you can not reject it. The only way that someone can say that they have never seen the light IS if they actually HAVE NEVER SEEN the light. Therefore those that do not believe in jesus have never truly believed from the start. They have NO IDEA of who he is otherwise they would have never left him, showing that their claim was never real. (1 John 2:19)

Therefore it is my understanding that if a person claims to have known jesus and now claims that there is no jesus is like me saying that I owned a genuine seven hundred dollar bill at one time, but now I realize that there has never been a seven hundred dollar bill, making me a liar.

That was actually quite excellent. Not only does it jive perfectly with scripture, but it has been my experience too. Once a butterfly is a butterfly, it never goes back to being a catapillar. It might want to, and I guess it could try with everything it has, but once a butterfly, always a butterfly.

(I do have to admit though, being a guy, I sure wish I had a better analogy! )

 

[Godzchild]

A moth? A fly wanting to go back to a maggot? ROFL!!

 

[deu58]

Hi Treeoflife

That was actually quite excellent. Not only does it jive perfectly with scripture, but it has been my experience too. Once a butterfly is a butterfly, it never goes back to being a catapillar. It might want to, and I guess it could try with everything it has, but once a butterfly, always a butterfly.

(I do have to admit though, being a guy, I sure wish I had a better analogy! )

It is not physically possible for a butterfly to return to being a catapillar,
Maybe that is why The bible refers to them as dogs who return to there own vomit???

yours in Christ
deu 58

 

[ffman]

Let's take this situation for an example...

Let's say this man discovers Christ through a life of hardship. He's a very intelligent man who is often a skeptic. Well he finds Christ and dedicates his life to him for 10 years. He was saved. Until he comes across to someone to feed him lies about how there is no evidence for Christ. His skeptic nature kicks in and he walks away from Christ because of this evidence.

He was saved from the heart. It says once you are saved you are pre-destined and you cannot be taken away from him.

So if this gentlemen is a full blown athiest now, is he still secured in heaven?

"And let's say in another situation someone was saved and 10 years later they live a life of sin."

What will happen?

I may be wrong, but in my opinion, yes. The man may have been saved, yet he lost his faith in God and Christ.

 

[SoaringEagle]

Good point about the butterfly never being able to be a caterpillar again. When we as believers become a new creation through the metamorphisis of new birth, we become a New Man. We become a child of God. We are assured of heaven, are are eternally secure, but a child of God can commit apostasy and commit the sin of death. This is not backslidding or failing to put of the deeds of the old man. Nor is it failing to mature and rise up out of carnality. This is rejecting jesus as Lord, deliberately and willfully sinning and saying things like, the bible really isn't true. Jesus isn't real, this is renouncing Christ. Once this happens, you can never be brought back to repentance. There is no hope for this one. So you are eternally secure, but can commit apostacy.

 

[Godzchild]

Why would a child of God reject Christ? Maybe someone who was PRETENDING to be a child of God - yes. But maybe a caterpillar that has constructed a pair of false wings and stapped them to his back to make him look like a butterfly - professed that he was a butterfly could reject Christ - sure. But a butterfly cannot go back to being a caterpillar as they are unable to change their DNA.

Are we as Christians able to change our DNA?

 

[TreeOfLife]

Why would a child of God reject Christ? Maybe someone who was PRETENDING to be a child of God - yes. But maybe a caterpillar that has constructed a pair of false wings and stapped them to his back to make him look like a butterfly - professed that he was a butterfly could reject Christ - sure. But a butterfly cannot go back to being a caterpillar as they are unable to change their DNA.

Are we as Christians able to change our DNA?

The "strap on wings" analogy was great.

Do you mind if I use it for a short story?

 

[Lynn73]

Hi Treeoflife



It is not physically possible for a butterfly to return to being a catapillar,
Maybe that is why The bible refers to them as dogs who return to there own vomit???

yours in Christ
deu 58

Exactly. Dogs, not sheep of Christ. They were never born again or changed, otherwise they wouldn't be referred to as dogs. Jesus calls His own sheep,not dogs.

 

[Galatians513]

My opinion is that while salvation cannot be lost, it can be forfeited. If the basis of our salvation is "faith" and "belief" and one chooses to walk away or stop believing, he or she has lost the only tie we have to God.

I have believed this for a long time. If I am incorrect please post scriptures. Just wanna make sure I am on the right track with this one.