Can you fall from being saved?

[Jim Woodell]

The prodical didn't die, the father thought he was dead. My parents thought i was dead (in sin) too until I came back. You know that Jesus can raise the dead don't you?

What you are saying is just NOT what the text says. It seems to me that you are replacing the plain text with your preconceived notion that falling away from God is impossible.

God said, "My son was LOST, and now is FOUND, was DEAD and is now ALIVE."

He did not die physically, but he did die spiritually.

 

[Stinker]

The 3 parables of (Lk.15) the Lost Sheep, The Lost Coin, and The Prodigal Son, are all an answer to the Scribes and Pharisees, answering their complaint about how all the tax collectors and sinners were coming to Him. They were saying; "This man receives sinners and eats with them." (Lk.15:2)

Jesus did not personally gear His ministry to reach the Gentiles. His was to reach only the house of Israel. "I was sent only to the house of Israel." (Mt.15:24)

The ministry of Jesus was geared to the Jews that did not belong to the Jewish clergy.

These parables are not proof that the Pharisees and Scribes were the saved (99 sheep Lk.15:3-7), saved (9 coins Lk.15:8-10), saved (older son Lk.15:25-32).

 

[Godzchild]

You said....

What you are saying is just NOT what the text says. It seems to me that you are replacing the plain text with your preconceived notion that falling away from God is impossible.
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Sounds to me like you have done the same thing. See here...

He did not die physically, but he did die spiritually

That's not what the text says.

And you totally did not make comment of the other points I've made.

A true child of Christ can fall but they cannot fall so far as to not be able to come back...the reason is that the power of God keeps them from falling and brings them back. I am proof of this very thing.

 

[FaithAlone]

Here are some scriptures that I typed up one day on security of salvation:

Can a Believer Lose His/Her Salvation?
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Once someone is saved they are saved forever. Here are some verses that assure us that if we have accepted Christ as our Savior we will be with Christ in Heaven when we die:
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John 3:18– We are no longer judged when we accept Christ
John 5:24– We have passed out of death into life
John 6:37-40– Jesus will not cast us out. He will lose nothing. That means us.
John 10:27-30– No one (even you) can snatch you out of God’s hand
Acts13:39– Once we have accepted Christ we are free from all things
Romans 8:1– There is no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus
Romans 8:35-39– Nothing can separate us from the love of God
Romans 11:29– God’s calling can’t be taken back
1 Corinthians 3: 9-23– vs 15-If we turn from God after we have been saved we will be saved but with very few rewards. Vs 23– We belong to Christ.
2 Corinthians 1:22– We are sealed by the Holy Spirit
2 Corinthians 5:17– We are a new creature in Christ. The old things have passed away Ephesians 1:13-sealed by the Spirit
Ephesians 4:30– sealed by the Holy Spirit for the day of redemption
Philippians 1:6– God will perfect what He started in you
Colossians 2:13&14– Christ already paid for ALL of our sins. When we accept Him as our Savior His blood covers ALL of our sins
Colossians 3:3&4– We are hidden with Christ in God. Christ is our life and will reveal us in Heaven.
Hebrews 7:25-27– He covered ALL sins when He offered Himself up on the cross Hebrews 10:10, 10:14
1 Peter 1:4&5
Jude 1:1– We are kept for Christ

So why do good if we are already saved?
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John 14:15– If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.
Romans 6– Should we continue in sin so that grace may abound? May it never be!
1 Corinthians 6:12 & 10:23- ALL things are lawful for us but not all are profitable.
1 Peter 2:16– Do not use your freedom as a covering for evil
If we are truly Christians then Christ’s love should be all the fuel we need to do good.

 

[linssue55]

ONCE WE ARE SAVED......NOTHING I MEAN NOTHING....will ever change that........ We are in Union with Christ at Salvation....we inherit 46 things immediately that become a part of our portfolleow of invisible assets, and 1 of these assets are... we are a member of the family of God (trinity) we are in union with Christ, we become His heirs and PERMANENT FAMILY MEMBERS of the family of Christ. This is only 1 of the 7000 promises in the bible for us to claim. If a believer no longer believes he has become CARNAL, and is grieving and quenching the spirit, nothing more. Just because he lost his faith, doesn't mean the Lord has, he is still a permanent menber of His family. That will never change!!!!!

 

[joyinhim]

ONCE WE ARE SAVED......NOTHING I MEAN NOTHING....will ever change that........ We are in Union with Christ at Salvation....we inherit 46 things immediately that become a part of our portfolleow of invisible assets, and 1 of these assets are... we are a member of the family of God (trinity) we are in union with Christ, we become His heirs and PERMANENT FAMILY MEMBERS of the family of Christ. This is only 1 of the 7000 promises in the bible for us to claim. If a believer no longer believes he has become CARNAL, and is grieving and quenching the spirit, nothing more. Just because he lost his faith, doesn't mean the Lord has, he is still a permanent menber of His family. That will never change!!!!!

I have heard so many Christians saying that we are saved so we don't have to do anything or we can not earn salvation by works.

We have to be very careful what we say to each other or to non-believers. If what we say causes anyone to stumble we will be in deep trouble with the Lord.

We are supposed to help each other to be obedient to the Lord and not just making each other feel good for being Christians and not being the salt and light in the world.

 

[FaithAlone]

Faith without works is dead. When you are saved by grace through faith you will work because of the love that you have for the Lord. It is not anything out of necessity, but out of wanting to please Him because you love Him. You can have works without faith but you can't have true faith in Jesus Christ without works. It's just a natural reaction to an encounter with Christ.

 

[joyinhim]

Faith without works is dead. When you are saved by grace through faith you will work because of the love that you have for the Lord. It is not anything out of necessity, but out of wanting to please Him because you love Him. You can have works without faith but you can't have true faith in Jesus Christ without works. It's just a natural reaction to an encounter with Christ.

So true.

 

[linssue55]

I have heard so many Christians saying that we are saved so we don't have to do anything or we can not earn salvation by works.

We have to be very careful what we say to each other or to non-believers. If what we say causes anyone to stumble we will be in deep trouble with the Lord.

We are supposed to help each other to be obedient to the Lord and not just making each other feel good for being Christians and not being the salt and light in the world.

We didn't earn it or deserve it............


"Salvation is a GIFT from God, and NOT OF WORKS, lest ANY MAN should boast"

All sins were paid for on the cross...this is called redemtion...reconcilliation and propitiation...........ALL works will be burned at the LAST JUDGEMENT

"Works are like white washed tombstones, beautiful on the outside, but inside full of dead mens bones".

Jesus did the work all we do is claim it...........If this isn't salt and light then you need to talk to the Lord about his package of invisible assets to all believers.

 

[joyinhim]

We didn't earn it or deserve it............


"Salvation is a GIFT from God, and NOT OF WORKS, lest ANY MAN should boast"

All sins were paid for on the cross...this is called redemtion...reconcilliation and propitiation...........ALL works will be burned at the LAST JUDGEMENT

"Works are like white washed tombstones, beautiful on the outside, but inside full of dead mens bones".

Jesus did the work all we do is claim it...........If this isn't salt and light then you need to talk to the Lord about his package of invisible assets to all believers.

You make it sound like i said something unbiblical.

 

[linssue55]

Faith without works is dead. When you are saved by grace through faith you will work because of the love that you have for the Lord. It is not anything out of necessity, but out of wanting to please Him because you love Him. You can have works without faith but you can't have true faith in Jesus Christ without works. It's just a natural reaction to an encounter with Christ.

Works OUT of fellowship will be burned at the last judgement, ....Works IN fellowship are the honorable works.....And how do we stay in fellowship? 1 John 1:9..........

When we are Carnal, "works are as filthy rags in His sight", and "white washed tombstones, beautiful on the outside but on the inside, full of dead mens bones".

Works IN fellowship are wonderful and count towards our escrow blessings in eternity....but OUT of fellowship they will be burned.......... so all we have to do is stay in fellowship and not grieve or quench the spirit, until we need... thats why He gives us 1 John 1:9 again ......

 

[linssue55]

You make it sound like i said something unbiblical.

No not at all.......it's just it sounded as though I had to work for God's love and provisions......what you said kinda of confused me.........???

 

[linssue55]

Gosh...I love this site...it is sooo great to talk to other Christians about the Lord and to exchange doctrines...thank you all

 

[joyinhim]

No not at all.......it's just it sounded as though I had to work for God's love and provisions......what you said kinda of confused me.........???

Because He loves us so much we should be salt and light in the world for Him. Besides He tells us to.

 

[naos]

Works that are not a byproduct of Faith are considered less than of no worth. They are actually counted as debt.

True faith actually produces of itself, works. Those are the type James was speaking of. Faith produces works. Not people produce works, but faith produces works. They can only be seen by those who have not been the instrument of realization.

If a person can see of themselves that they have done this or that work, it is not a work of faith. If they see a work of faith because somebody else brings it to their attention, then that can truely be considered a work of faith.

 

[naos]

Works that are not a byproduct of Faith are considered less than of no worth. They are actually counted as debt.

True faith actually produces of itself, works. Those are the type James was speaking of. Faith produces works. Not people produce works, but faith produces works. They can only be seen by those who have not been the instrument of realization.

If a person can see of themselves that they have done this or that work, it is not a work of faith. If they see a work of faith because somebody else brings it to their attention, then that can truely be considered a work of faith.

I think I meant to post this in the other thread. Now I don't know how to take it from here and put it there.

 

[Godzchild]

Works OUT of fellowship will be burned at the last judgement, ....Works IN fellowship are the honorable works.....And how do we stay in fellowship? 1 John 1:9..........

When we are Carnal, "works are as filthy rags in His sight", and "white washed tombstones, beautiful on the outside but on the inside, full of dead mens bones".

Works IN fellowship are wonderful and count towards our escrow blessings in eternity....but OUT of fellowship they will be burned.......... so all we have to do is stay in fellowship and not grieve or quench the spirit, until we need... thats why He gives us 1 John 1:9 again ......

IF we are in the light as He is in the light we have fellowship one with another and the blood of JEsus Christ His son cleanses us from every sin when we walk in the light.

 

[linssue55]

Because He loves us so much we should be salt and light in the world for Him. Besides He tells us to.

ABSOLUTELY..........

 

[linssue55]

Because He loves us so much we should be salt and light in the world for Him. Besides He tells us to.

ABSOLUTELY!!

 

[linssue55]

Works that are not a byproduct of Faith are considered less than of no worth. They are actually counted as debt.

True faith actually produces of itself, works. Those are the type James was speaking of. Faith produces works. Not people produce works, but faith produces works. They can only be seen by those who have not been the instrument of realization.

If a person can see of themselves that they have done this or that work, it is not a work of faith. If they see a work of faith because somebody else brings it to their attention, then that can truely be considered a work of faith.

Ditto.........