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Godzchild said:The prodical didn't die, the father thought he was dead. My parents thought i was dead (in sin) too until I came back. You know that Jesus can raise the dead don't you?
What you are saying is just NOT what the text says. It seems to me that you are replacing the plain text with your preconceived notion that falling away from God is impossible.
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He did not die physically, but he did die spiritually
linssue55 said:ONCE WE ARE SAVED......NOTHING I MEAN NOTHING....will ever change that........ We are in Union with Christ at Salvation....we inherit 46 things immediately that become a part of our portfolleow of invisible assets, and 1 of these assets are... we are a member of the family of God (trinity) we are in union with Christ, we become His heirs and PERMANENT FAMILY MEMBERS of the family of Christ. This is only 1 of the 7000 promises in the bible for us to claim. If a believer no longer believes he has become CARNAL, and is grieving and quenching the spirit, nothing more. Just because he lost his faith, doesn't mean the Lord has, he is still a permanent menber of His family. That will never change!!!!!
FaithAlone said:Faith without works is dead. When you are saved by grace through faith you will work because of the love that you have for the Lord. It is not anything out of necessity, but out of wanting to please Him because you love Him. You can have works without faith but you can't have true faith in Jesus Christ without works. It's just a natural reaction to an encounter with Christ.
joyinhim said:I have heard so many Christians saying that we are saved so we don't have to do anything or we can not earn salvation by works.
We have to be very careful what we say to each other or to non-believers. If what we say causes anyone to stumble we will be in deep trouble with the Lord.
We are supposed to help each other to be obedient to the Lord and not just making each other feel good for being Christians and not being the salt and light in the world.
linssue55 said:We didn't earn it or deserve it............
"Salvation is a GIFT from God, and NOT OF WORKS, lest ANY MAN should boast"
All sins were paid for on the cross...this is called redemtion...reconcilliation and propitiation...........ALL works will be burned at the LAST JUDGEMENT
"Works are like white washed tombstones, beautiful on the outside, but inside full of dead mens bones".
Jesus did the work all we do is claim it...........If this isn't salt and light then you need to talk to the Lord about his package of invisible assets to all believers.
FaithAlone said:Faith without works is dead. When you are saved by grace through faith you will work because of the love that you have for the Lord. It is not anything out of necessity, but out of wanting to please Him because you love Him. You can have works without faith but you can't have true faith in Jesus Christ without works. It's just a natural reaction to an encounter with Christ.
joyinhim said:You make it sound like i said something unbiblical.
linssue55 said:No not at all.......it's just it sounded as though I had to work for God's love and provisions......what you said kinda of confused me.........???
naos said:Works that are not a byproduct of Faith are considered less than of no worth. They are actually counted as debt.
True faith actually produces of itself, works. Those are the type James was speaking of. Faith produces works. Not people produce works, but faith produces works. They can only be seen by those who have not been the instrument of realization.
If a person can see of themselves that they have done this or that work, it is not a work of faith. If they see a work of faith because somebody else brings it to their attention, then that can truely be considered a work of faith.
Works OUT of fellowship will be burned at the last judgement, ....Works IN fellowship are the honorable works.....And how do we stay in fellowship? 1 John 1:9..........
When we are Carnal, "works are as filthy rags in His sight", and "white washed tombstones, beautiful on the outside but on the inside, full of dead mens bones".
Works IN fellowship are wonderful and count towards our escrow blessings in eternity....but OUT of fellowship they will be burned.......... so all we have to do is stay in fellowship and not grieve or quench the spirit, until we need... thats why He gives us 1 John 1:9 again ......
naos said:Works that are not a byproduct of Faith are considered less than of no worth. They are actually counted as debt.
True faith actually produces of itself, works. Those are the type James was speaking of. Faith produces works. Not people produce works, but faith produces works. They can only be seen by those who have not been the instrument of realization.
If a person can see of themselves that they have done this or that work, it is not a work of faith. If they see a work of faith because somebody else brings it to their attention, then that can truely be considered a work of faith.
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