Can marriage ever be a sin if both are Christian

mikeforjesus · Jul 2, 2023

If Gods gospel was not being attacked so that people could not attack the assurance of everyone who believes being saved that they know they are being saved that they can be saved that the way does not exclude them that they can trust Jesus that His way He taught does not exclude them and that they are accepted according to bible not lacking understanding of the way and I allow them to make me doubt which is wrong and if I thought it more helpful to be single to help the spread of gospel rather than people using it as means to mock such as Pope Francis that people live selfish life and others to look as though person is cursed to be not worthy because person way is bad to be rejected by others not to I would not complain. I don’t care for any earthly thing but that all can have the hope of being saved.

mikeforjesus · Jul 3, 2023

I decided not to seek to marry to help to witness because I don’t want to support that others feel less important that they are not married some for religious reasons and others that couldnt who were not able.

mikeforjesus · Jul 5, 2023

I decided instead that I will seek to marry because that is what I wanted and may regret later for not trying that I do believe is good and to encourage it as Christian’s should be fruitful to multiply and I want to be a father that I may learn a lot about love and goodness so I will seek to.

anetazo · Jul 9, 2023

Genesis chapter 6, The son's of God are fallen angels. They left thier place of habitation against God's decree. Read Jude in the bible. These despicable fallen angels tried to pollute blood line that messiah would be born. Fallen angels were acting on orders from satan. Corinthians chapter 7, nothing wrong Christian people getting married. Corinthians chapter 6, God doesn't want Christian people to consort or marry heathen. Why?? Because the Christian will compromise their values and beliefs. Get the picture. The temple of God has no concord with temple of belial. I think you understand this.

mikeforjesus · Jul 20, 2023

I decided it is better for me to date because it encourages people to date so if others are looking for one to and bible says children are a heritage from the Lord happy is he who has his quiver of them he shall speak with his enemies in the gate that it is a good thing to ensure Christian’s will always seek to increase that one is not envied that in heaven all are equal and all are children of God that they belong to God to share same joy but to do better.

That is God purpose though I put God first so I want to look for a job first to provide for myself to seek first the kingdom as bible says and God will provide I think a job that provides good enough but until I get job to work in family business as have to respect parents that I am working and to consider it again if it seems God intention is that you are willing to receive help parents provided for you if I do not find.

For a good spouse would accept me if I am working because many others have got married just doing any work that person needs can still be met in good countries from government or from church to help basic needs though it is not intention to seek reasonable income job.

ZephBonkerer · Jul 20, 2023

mikeforjesus said:
I decided...

You've had a lot of posts on this thread that start this way. Whatever you decide is between you and the Lord. Just be at peace with it.

mikeforjesus · Jul 20, 2023

Thanks but I do feel sometimes I should say since people might think to ignore if I did not seem decided what I want and because want to show others who accuse that I am doing the wrong thing that it would be against God that it is not.

ZephBonkerer · Jul 20, 2023

mikeforjesus said:
Thanks but I do feel sometimes I should say since people might think to ignore if I did not seem decided what I want and because want to show others who accuse that I am doing the wrong thing that it would be against God that it is not.

I'm glad you're saying so. Church culture these days sometimes sees sin where there is none. I see it a lot when someone asks "Is X a sin?" Where X can be anything from playing poker, drinking beer, listening to secular music, wearing a halter top (for women), etc. Just because something may run contrary to someone's personal bias does not make it sin.

An example: several years ago (Summer 2005, I believe) I had some friends (young men and women) over at my place on a Saturday night. We drank beer, played poker, it was a great time. We all were single and in our 20s at the time. Someone at our church assembly got word of this and cited "the appearance of evil". I thought it was funny at the time, but it got me thinking of something:

If a group of seniors - mostly single men and women in their 60s and 70s got together, played poker, drank beer, etc on a Saturday afternoon, would anyone have cited "the appearance of evil"? If not, why then should anyone do so if the only differences are the age group (20-somethings instead of retirees) and time of day (Saturday night instead of afternoon)? It seemed to me that people were speaking out of their own personal biases instead of some clear moral principle.

mikeforjesus · Jul 26, 2023

I only wanted to marry because many Christians seek to judge others to respect them less to lessen my Christian influence that they seek to do many and more works just to say others are not worthy to make them have no hope which it is important to serve the Lord but the Lord accepts one to do just what one can which one knows is his responsibility to do that God only holds accountable what one is open to be aware of that others have made one aware he does not know but he knows he can find answer if he seeks.

One is only responsible for what whenever he turns to seek he knows and is accepted to turn at any time and only responsible what he knows then as He said in parable of the workers but one must do what he knows because he can die while not doing what he knows without opportunity to call to the Lord in repentance. And one should always be seeking the Lord whenever he knows he is lacking incase he dies when he is not turning to the Lord.

Back to the point of marriage though people show lack of respect and seek to judge me and are proud and in power such as churches I should not let them affect me though all are disrespectful and don’t believe me to make me want to pay them back for persuading people others have no value I should deny my want to prove for sake of preaching gospel that it may help some people to show that I did sacrifice some things to not make people who sacrificed for God to be less that such helps to be witness to people that even if they didn’t marry as others didn’t encourage they are not less. I will only marry if God shows a sign He wants me to that it is His best will.

Strong in Him · Jul 28, 2023

mikeforjesus said:
Thanks but I do feel sometimes I should say since people might think to ignore if I did not seem decided what I want and because want to show others who accuse that I am doing the wrong thing that it would be against God that it is not.

Why are you worried about what other people might say?
Several of your posts have the words "others might think ....", or "I did not want anyone else to ....". It's nothing to do with anybody else.
IF you get married it will, or should, be because you and your girlfriend have both decided to make that commitment before God. Your friends should accept whatever decision you make, and love you as you are - and it's no one else's business. Your "Christian influence" has nothing to do with whether or not you are married.

But, as I have said before, I'm afraid that you don't seem to know what you want.
You started this thread about 2 1/2 years ago and said, in your first post, that you shouldn't get married. Since then, you have changed your mind daily. Sometimes even twice in one day.
The fact is that if you haven't got a girlfriend, you are nowhere near ready to make that decision. If you have, then the question of lifelong commitment and vows before God are between you and her. If you weren't sure if you should get married you could ask your Minister/Pastor for advice - but it's likely that they would say that if you don't know if you wanted to commit yourselves to one another, you aren't ready for that step.

ZephBonkerer · Jul 29, 2023

Strong in Him said:
Why are you worried about what other people might say?
Several of your posts have the words "others might think ....", or "I did not want anyone else to ....". It's nothing to do with anybody else.
IF you get married it will, or should, be because you and your girlfriend have both decided to make that commitment before God. Your friends should accept whatever decision you make, and love you as you are - and it's no one else's business. Your "Christian influence" has nothing to do with whether or not you are married.

But, as I have said before, I'm afraid that you don't seem to know what you want.
You started this thread about 2 1/2 years ago and said, in your first post, that you shouldn't get married. Since then, you have changed your mind daily. Sometimes even twice in one day...

You nailed it right here.

As a general rule: nobody should enter into a marriage primarily for the sake of appearances. You have better things to do than to worry about what the Joneses think.

mikeforjesus · Aug 1, 2023

All I see is most Christian’s are judgemental even if they pretend to care about others and want to have image they value you they do not to never give you a chance with them.They believe they are holy and want to follow the honourable crowd so that if anyone ever did a sin looking at internet videos which is normal but a bit different they despise people and will not forgive.

For they want to follow crowd and world opinion which is hostile to God will to only want to look good for the world often takes advantage such as making this post in link by relrules and Christian’s react in judgement.But they only do so to people who they despise for seeming to claim that he takes seriously to live righteously but fails to and also they are only interested in someone who shows off and is popular among people which is inhumane and demonic.

Or perhaps God is punishing me for my sin for ruin opportunity new beginning he gives me to do sin.But it seems from relationship rules this is how people are attaching to culture and world though pretend to be Christian that they would care but do not respect me for my culture with my personality that would never give chance. They never want to do good they are not sincere.

Anyway I do not care for marriage anymore that I want to be single to seem less selfish which I think helps gospel though I know dear StrongforHim says otherwise but I disagree though others are still responsible that it should not offend them that they should accept.

www.relrules.com/10-signs-that-his-intentions-arent-so-good

Strong in Him · Aug 1, 2023

mikeforjesus said:
Or perhaps God is punishing me for my sin for ruin opportunity new beginning he gives me to do sin.

God is not punishing you; Jesus took our punishment for sin.

mikeforjesus said:
Anyway I do not care for marriage anymore that I want to be single to seem less selfish

Marriage is not at all about being selfish - quite the opposite.
In marriage, you are dedicated to sharing your life with someone else; you are thinking more of their happiness than your own.

mikeforjesus said:
which I think helps gospel

If you and your fiancée decided that God was calling you to get married, it might well mean that he has work for you both to do - which would help the Gospel.

mikeforjesus said:
though I know dear StrongforHim says otherwise

I don't think I did say otherwise. I said that if you, your girlfriend and God want you to marry, then get married.
If you think God is calling you to stay single, then that's ok too.
If your life is dictated by what other people think, maybe you're not ready to share it with anyone else.

What I don't understand, and what I don't think is helping you, is writing all these threads which say, "I'm not going to get married", "Yes, I am going to get married." You have been known to change your mind twice in one day, and, the last I heard, you hadn't even got a girlfriend.
If that is still the case, then this whole thread is academic and rather a waste of time.
If you have got a girlfriend, either your relationship will develop, you'll fall in love and both decide to marry, or you'll decide that you are not right for each other and part company.

So, to be blunt, either you're very indecisive; have some form of OCD where you have to have something sorted out, even though there's little chance of it happening, or just like seeing your thread at the top of the forum page.
Sorry, I don't want to offend, but what help has this thread been to you; how have you changed?

mikeforjesus · Aug 1, 2023

I value your views but I do now want to commit only to Christ to be single unless Christ clearly showed me otherwise is best for me His will. I do probably have some obsession problem but that is not all it is and I do not seek to just want to be on top of page to gain points to increase rank but I want to share what should be said. I did learn from the thread that marriage between 2 true christians is never wrong and that it is not sin to marry. But it is wrong of you and society that also does that they all need to change that they are the ones abnormal that they can not stand any raw human behaviour that others living as people that deny true humanity not wanting to see people who act properly human because they know they sold them to lift up other people who act not human.

Strong in Him · Aug 1, 2023

mikeforjesus said:
I value your views but I do now want to commit only to Christ to be single unless Christ clearly showed me otherwise is best for me His will.

You don't need to commit to anything - except to Christ himself.
Just live your life; you have no idea what God's got in store for you, nor what's around the corner. You could fall in love with someone next week, you could have a chance to go to a new town/country and meet someone there. You may make a decision one way or the other, and then the Lord tells you he wants something else.

One of the Proverbs says something like "we may plan our path, but the Lord guides our steps." And James says, "do not say "tomorrow I will do this or that; you do not even know what tomorrow will bring. Instead you should say 'if it is the Lord's will'." James 4:13-15.

So if it is God's will for you, stay single.
If he wants you to marry, he'll bring you a potential partner.

mikeforjesus said:
But it is wrong of you and society that also does that they all need to change that they are the ones abnormal that they can not stand any raw human behaviour that others living as people that deny true humanity not wanting to see people who act properly human because they know they sold them to lift up other people who act not human.

I've no idea what that means. But I can assure you that I am not trying to influence you one way or the other.
Why would I? I don't know you, you may even be in a different country and your life is none of my business. It's no one else's either.

Whatever your friends and family might say or think, it is very unlikely that society cares whether or not you get married.
Again, it's between you, your girlfriend and God. Are you really going to live you life based on what others think and say?

Seriously, has this thread helped you at all in the last 2 1/2 years?

mikeforjesus · Aug 1, 2023

Yes it has helped me as I explained in last thread.

mikeforjesus · Aug 3, 2023

Thankyou for support but the truth is you can not expect to find one if you don’t seek to look for one as Zephbonkerer said I have to put myself out there and I do want to look for one now as I think it helps more later that people may show less respect to me non married people if I preach that I am loser though their judgements are wrong and am getting older near 40 so I should look.

Christian’s who reject do wrong to reject for no reason just because they don’t want to do good and will be judged if they die before having opportunity to seek repentance for unless they find someone else or already happend to be married to another God has determined that for single people for them to have one and doing so is wrong for it allows chance for enemy to attack a fellow believer to hurt cause of Christ and if they are Christian as it says if one member suffers all suffer and even Christian’s like to make them look bad but is wrong such as in this thread.

First I am going to seek a job to be working before seeking which should not be necessary for one should know person can work in any job to help one that they should help each other that others have especially that I have enough already to support for even wife can increase money with what have to work.

I am poor now and I think it is wrong to support others too much just tithe if I am not blessed that they do not good to me so will not give donations I have been giving to others no matter what anyone replies back to me for it is a world rebellion just as my Behaviour on this forum was accused as abnormal it is not but other people are seeking to do evil making me abnormal while their evil behaviour is always giving hard hearted excuses why I am not compatible now.

www.christianforums.com/threads/one-quarter-of-40-year-olds-have-never-married.8279542

Strong in Him · Aug 4, 2023

mikeforjesus said:
Thankyou for support but the truth is you can not expect to find one if you don’t seek to look for one

That's not quite true; God may bring opportunities, or people, our way when we are not expecting them.

mikeforjesus said:
I do want to look for one now

Yes, well you've obviously changed your mind again; despite everything you previously said.

Bottom line: does a woman want a man who is so indecisive?

mikeforjesus said:
as I think it helps more later that people may show less respect to me non married people

Like I said, your personal relationship has nothing to do with other people.
In fact, if you were to get married just to keep someone else happy, you might find that it didn't last.

mikeforjesus said:
and am getting older near 40 so I should look.

No, it's not compulsory for single people to marry.
If you were only getting married because you think you should have done that by a certain age, you may find it didn't last.

mikeforjesus said:
Christian’s who reject do wrong to reject for no reason just because they don’t want to do good and will be judged if they die before having opportunity to seek repentance and doing so is wrong for it allows chance for enemy to attack a fellow believer to hurt cause of Christ and if they are Christian as it says if one member suffers all suffer and even Christian’s like to make them look bad but is wrong such as in this thread.

Nobody's telling you you are wrong and nobody'd trying to make you look bad. Marriage is a personal thing between you, your fiancée and God. You said that you are nearly 40. If you were to find a girlfriend and get married next week, you could have 50 years together. That's 50 years of being committed to the same person, waking up with them each day etc etc. You couldn't change your mind every day as you have been doing on this thread. You couldn't say to her "other people are criticising me for being married, we'd better split up."
You would have to make sure that you'd found the right woman, and marriage was what you both wanted.

mikeforjesus said:
just as my Behaviour on this forum was accused as abnormal it is not

I'm sorry and I don't mean any offence, but it is not normal to say, "I will seek to get married/I won't seek to get married", every day or even twice a day. Especially when you don't even have a girlfriend and have no idea how you would feel if you were to find one and fall in love.

Whether or not you get married is nothing to do with any of us - we have just been trying to help because you asked a question, and seem quite confused on the whole subject.

mikeforjesus said:
but other people are seeking to do evil making me abnormal while their evil behaviour is always giving hard hearted excuses why I am not compatible now.

No one's trying to make you do evil.
People have their own lives to lead and, to be honest, probably don't care whether you get married or not. We didn't have to answer your question or try to help you.

mikeforjesus · Aug 5, 2023

It is normal and shows the problem that society does to judge me for my behaviour being it normal to be indecisive that I seek to honour God and you are not respecting. For a woman to only want someone who seems to idolise her is sin that they are all rebelling against God. They should just want to do good to be helper that God made them so for one who does love her but not to seek to make her feel like she is to be worshipped or to make an idol of a man of his quality to prefer arrogance than to be humble to truly respect others shows love to God or is pride like the devil . Maybe you wanted to give me false hope to make fun of me that you know they never will and should respect but they are proud disrespectful people that they are all sinning to be like that for they know it is wrong no matter what you say and if they agree with that to think deserve judgement I think they will not be saved.

Strong in Him · Aug 5, 2023

mikeforjesus said:
It is normal and shows the problem that society does to judge me for my behaviour being it normal to be indecisive

Being indecisive, yes. Changing your mind two, three or more times in one week; no.
Go back and read this thread. Sometimes you've been almost the only person posting - like on page 6. On April 6th last year, you changed your mind twice in one day, and then changed it back again the next day.

mikeforjesus said:
that I seek to honour God and you are not respecting.

That's not true - I've said all along that marriage is between you, your girlfriend and God. If you stay single, you can be single for God; if you get married, GOD will provide you with someone.

mikeforjesus said:
For a woman to only want someone who seems to idolise her is sin that they are all rebelling against God.

When has any woman said that we only want to get married so we have someone who will idolise us?

mikeforjesus said:
They should just want to do good to be helper that God made them so for one who does love her but not to seek to make her feel like she is to be worshipped or to make an idol of a man of his quality to prefer arrogance than to be humble to truly respect others shows love to God or is pride like the devil .

If you're thinking of the vows in a marriage service where a man MAY promise to worship his wife; worship means giving someone their worth. If you love your fiancée/wife; show her and treat her as someone special. If you believe she has been made in the image of God and that God has given her to you; treat her as an equal, show her love, respect etc.
And yes, a woman probably does want a man who will love her, treat her with respect, acknowledge her gifts etc - I hope any man would want the same, and that his fiancé would treat him that way. A couple should love, and treat each other with kindness and respect.
It does NOT mean that you worship your wife instead of God.

mikeforjesus said:
Maybe you wanted to give me false hope to make fun of me

I'm sorry, but it seems like you don't understand what I've been trying to say either that or you do have a problem where you believe that anyone who disagrees with you is against you.
Like I said, I did not have to post in this thread; I did so to try to help. Why on earth would I try to make fun of you?

mikeforjesus said:
but they are proud disrespectful people that they are all sinning to be like that for they know it is wrong no matter what you say and if they agree with that to think deserve judgement I think they will not be saved.

I don't know what any of that means.
What you have to understand is that you wrote this thread, 2 1/2 years ago, to ask a question.
That question has been answered, and there has been some debate about the subject too. Around 80%, if not more, of this thread has been written by you. The reason it is so long is because you keeping writing "I will seek to marry", "no, I will seek not to marry."
This is your life, and you have to decide, before God, how to use it. No one here can live it for you, and it is not up to anyone here to make a decision for you. Most, if not all, of us have enough going on in our own lives without worrying about whether someone they don't know will make a decision.

I'm going to leave this thread now. I have said this before, but I came back into it to see if I could help you with your constant "yes I will/no I won't get married" statements.
I don't think I can help - and I don't want to stick around to be told I am giving you false hope, making fun of you or any other nonsense.

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