Can Intelligent Design be a Logical & Rational Answer?

[joshua 1 9]

But we can judge you from what you post

You can not judge me from what I do not post. I do not post a lot of stuff because people love to try to set traps here and it is prudent to avoid them.

 

[bhsmte]

LOL That says very little for your observation ability. Like I said, I have read at least a dozen books on evolution. Plus I have college Biology books and I am aware of what is in those books. Only 4% of Americans have a science degree where Biology is required. This would be much less on a world basis.

If you think that there are so many experts on evolution in this world then why do we have so many people like Dr Hovind?

So why don't you share with us what the extent is of your knowledge of evolution outside of the standard college text book. How many studies have you read and what is the extent of your research?

One area I have been esp interested in is the study of Botany and the Evolution of the Plants and animals in the Middle East. Because the Bible is a history book dealing with this subject. This way I can confirm that there is no conflict between science and the Bible. In addition to fact based Botany I have even read books dealing with the sort of speculation that Evolutionists are know for. An example of that is called: "The Botany of Desire". In this book the author examines: Sweetness (Apple), Beauty (Tulip), Intoxication (Marijuana) & Control (Potato). He explains his theory on how desire controls evolution.

This is a very small sample of a book I have studied that goes into evolution at a level beyond what we find in our college biology text book. Some other areas I have done extensive research on are the dinosaurs that we find the remains of at the Ghost Ranch in New Mexico. This was actually used by American paleontologist Dr. Edwin Colbert to verify plate tectonics.

Another study I have done has to do with artifacts and what the earliest example is of artifacts around 40,000 years ago. This allowed our species to leave Africa and move into a bio-diverse ecosystem and take the place of Neanderthal man. In addition to this I have studied about the Paleo diet and also I have done research on fire and the effect fire and cooking food had on evolution.

I am only talking about the study of history and pure unadulterated science. Plus the fact that I am 65 years old and so I have been around long enough to do some serious study and research. My High School Biology teacher was a Harvard graduate and he got me started on the study of Biology over 50 years ago. Just like I began my study on Ancient History at that time. Once they wet your appetite and got me started I have spent my whole life to continue to study and learn. I remember reading "The Double Helix" back in the 60 when it first came out. Now I am reading France Collins book about DNA and the work his is doing with the Human Gnome project and the impact they feel that is having on Medicine and finding a cure for genetic diseases.

There are a lot of things people will learn when they get to Heaven but I am getting an early start on a lot of that based on what we are given here and now to work with.

There is an explanation for this, but I would break forum rules by providing it.

 

[joshua 1 9]

All I have said is that you are wrong

Show me your evidence, show me what you have to prove me wrong. We know that Worldwide only 6.7 percent of the people have a college degree. The question is how much does the average college degree person know about evolution? You seem to have a lot of confidence in how well that 6.7 percent of the people are educated. I don't share your confidence because I know a small percent of college graduates have actually studied and read the Biology Book.

If you think so many people have read a book about evolution then why are there no books about evolution on the Science Book Best Selling list? The evidence is simply not there to support your claim. If so many people own a Biology book why do they rank so low in sales compared to other books? The math simply does not support your claim. Just like according to leading experts like Hoyle the mathematical numbers simply do not support the possibility of the random theory that evolutionary theory hangs on.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/14/science/best-selling-science-books.html?_r=0

Evolution is a bait and switch game. They claim that we have proof for common ancestor therefore the random mutation theory must be true. One theory has nothing to do with the other. You simply have truth and error mixed together. This was the situation with Abraham back in the ancient city of Ur. God called Abraham to come out from among them and to separate himself from their error. Today we are called to do the same as Abraham and draw a line in the sand and separate true Science from Fake Science. Just like we have to know the difference between News and Fake News. What is true and what is not true. After Abraham and the Chaldeans we have Moses. He was well Educated by the Egyptians. Moses was also called out to set a standard for the truth. Today we are called to take a stand for what is true and separate ourselves from the lies.

We need pillars to support a theory. Random mutations is a leading support for evolution and when you remove that support the theory comes crashing down because it lacks evidence to support it. Right now random mutations is the best they can come up with and the theory fails to get the job done. Even Francis Collins can not accept the random theory when he says: "While it may seem to us that this whole process has the risk of randomness and, therefore, an unpredictable outcome, that was not the case for God."
Read more at 'God Is Not Threatened by Our Scientific Adventures'

The Science of Evo Devo and people like Sean Carroll (author of "Endless Forms Most Beautiful") simply can not accept that evolution is a random process.

 

[joshua 1 9]

There is an explanation for this, but I would break forum rules by providing it.

In the end everything will hinge on lawlessness.
Matthew 24:12
"Because lawlessness is increased, most people's love will grow cold.

 

[bhsmte]

In the end everything will hinge on lawlessness.
Matthew 24:12
"Because lawlessness is increased, most people's love will grow cold.

Cool.

 

[Speedwell]

They claim that we have proof for common ancestor therefore the random mutation theory must be true.

Since you are so well informed about the theory of evolution, you should have no trouble providing a source for that "claim."

 

[joshua 1 9]

Since you are so well informed about the theory of evolution, you should have no trouble providing a source for that "claim."

The point is that the random theory is all they have to work with right now.

 

[Speedwell]

The point is that the random theory is all they have to work with right now.

Which seems adequate to the task.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Which seems adequate to the task.

Science works off of the best explanation that anyone can come up with. Even in the case of the random theory where that clearly is not the solution they have nothing better so that is what they go with. We have evidence and science does a wonderful job of gathering the evidence. The problem is when they feel entitled to make up stories in an attempt to explain the evidence.

 

[bhsmte]

Science works off of the best explanation that anyone can come up with. Even in the case of the random theory where that clearly is not the solution they have nothing better so that is what they go with. We have evidence and science does a wonderful job of gathering the evidence. The problem is when they feel entitled to make up stories in an attempt to explain the evidence.

LOL

 

[Speedwell]

Even in the case of the random theory where that clearly is not the solution they have nothing better so that is what they go with.

Assuming that by "random theory" you mean random variation and natural selection, then no, saying that it is clearly not the solution is not clear at all. Why do you think that the ID people have had so much trouble coming up with examples of biological structures which random variation and selection could not produce?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

You can not judge me from what I do not post. I do not post a lot of stuff because people love to try to set traps here and it is prudent to avoid them.

No, but I can judge you from what you DO POST, which is what I have been saying, and from what you do post, you do not come across as someone who knows more about evolution than 98% of people in the world.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Show me your evidence, show me what you have to prove me wrong. We know that Worldwide only 6.7 percent of the people have a college degree. The question is how much does the average college degree person know about evolution? You seem to have a lot of confidence in how well that 6.7 percent of the people are educated. I don't share your confidence because I know a small percent of college graduates have actually studied and read the Biology Book.

If you think so many people have read a book about evolution then why are there no books about evolution on the Science Book Best Selling list? The evidence is simply not there to support your claim. If so many people own a Biology book why do they rank so low in sales compared to other books? The math simply does not support your claim. Just like according to leading experts like Hoyle the mathematical numbers simply do not support the possibility of the random theory that evolutionary theory hangs on.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/14/science/best-selling-science-books.html?_r=0

Evolution is a bait and switch game. They claim that we have proof for common ancestor therefore the random mutation theory must be true. One theory has nothing to do with the other. You simply have truth and error mixed together. This was the situation with Abraham back in the ancient city of Ur. God called Abraham to come out from among them and to separate himself from their error. Today we are called to do the same as Abraham and draw a line in the sand and separate true Science from Fake Science. Just like we have to know the difference between News and Fake News. What is true and what is not true. After Abraham and the Chaldeans we have Moses. He was well Educated by the Egyptians. Moses was also called out to set a standard for the truth. Today we are called to take a stand for what is true and separate ourselves from the lies.

We need pillars to support a theory. Random mutations is a leading support for evolution and when you remove that support the theory comes crashing down because it lacks evidence to support it. Right now random mutations is the best they can come up with and the theory fails to get the job done. Even Francis Collins can not accept the random theory when he says: "While it may seem to us that this whole process has the risk of randomness and, therefore, an unpredictable outcome, that was not the case for God."
Read more at 'God Is Not Threatened by Our Scientific Adventures'

The Science of Evo Devo and people like Sean Carroll (author of "Endless Forms Most Beautiful") simply can not accept that evolution is a random process.

The fact that you feel the need to call it a 'bait and switch game' shows all we need to know, along with your claim that 'random' mutations fails to support the theory, since mutations DO support the theory of evolution.

 

[Allandavid]

Science works off of the best explanation that anyone can come up with. Even in the case of the random theory where that clearly is not the solution they have nothing better so that is what they go with. We have evidence and science does a wonderful job of gathering the evidence. The problem is when they feel entitled to make up stories in an attempt to explain the evidence.

Gibberish.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Gibberish.

You are correct, evolutionary science based on Darwinism is Gibberish, but Godless atheism has no choice but to buy into this nonsense because that is all they have to put on the table to offer people.

 

[joshua 1 9]

No, but I can judge you from what you DO POST, which is what I have been saying, and from what you do post, you do not come across as someone who knows more about evolution than 98% of people in the world.

I am not here to promote evolution. I am here to promote creationism. I have know people with Phd's in Science yet they do not even have a third grader's understanding of the Bible.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Assuming that by "random theory" you mean random variation and natural selection, then no, saying that it is clearly not the solution is not clear at all.

Exactly, thank you for making my point for me that the line between random theory and natural selection has been blurred so that people do not see a clear distinction. Truth and error has been mixed together and they do not make a clear distinction.

 

[Allandavid]

You are correct, evolutionary science based on Darwinism is Gibberish, but Godless atheism has no choice but to buy into this nonsense because that is all they have to put on the table to offer people.

Ummm..."godless atheism"...??

As opposed to godful atheism, perhaps...?

And the only thing that atheism "offers" is disbelief in gods...it says nothing about evolution, or any other scientific theory that I am aware of.

 

[Allandavid]

I am not here to promote evolution. I am here to promote creationism. I have know people with Phd's in Science yet they do not even have a third grader's understanding of the Bible.

You seem to know nothing about evolution. And since there is nothing to know about creationism, because it simply isn't supportable, that doesn't leave you knowing very much, does it...?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I am not here to promote evolution. I am here to promote creationism. I have know people with Phd's in Science yet they do not even have a third grader's understanding of the Bible.

Dear god, try to stay on topic. You say that you know more about evolution than 98% of people in the world today, and yet all of your posts about evolution show that you don't.