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Can I use a ouija board to communicate with God?

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I hear one group stopped using the board because they heard that wood from the same tree was used to make crosses.......and you cant use for evil, wood from the same tree that is being used for good. Heard a few of their members were excommunicated for not checking before hand. They created another denomination for "I dont care which tree you use" people.

Yeah, I'm not surprised by such (ir)rationality. I'd be wondering what they write on since paper comes from wood as well. Just goes to show that you can take man out of tribal superstition, but you can't take the tribal superstition out of men.
 
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Oijah boards are used as a tool for divination, in an attempt to communicate with the dead. Divination is forbidden in the Old Testament. (I realize there are translation issues.)

The passage that forbids them allows for prophets. Enquiring of the LORD through prophets was allowed. Divination was not.

I am not familiar with the 'native war drum' issue. Is this a religious instrument? Some translations translate the notes on a Psalm to say 'upon an instrument of Gath', but that can be translated differently, and it would seem support for either translation is not well supported. But it could be that the scriptures instruct that a Psalm be sung on a Philistine instrument, or an instrument named after a Philistine city.

I know of no command in the Bible that forbids the use of ethnic instruments in praise of God.

It's not the dead you're communicating with, but demons. They masquerade to trick you.
 
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Someone has to cheat and move it themselves?

Bingo. Though not necessarily "cheating", but it is the people playing with it. That's how they work.
Ideomotor phenomenon - Wikipedia

It's not spirits, it's not demons. It's just people. As soon as you blindfold people, or otherwise change it up, the board stops "working", and suddenly the "spirits" or "demons" get confused.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Bingo. Though not necessarily "cheating", but it is the people playing with it. That's how they work.
Ideomotor phenomenon - Wikipedia

It's not spirits, it's not demons. It's just people. As soon as you blindfold people, or otherwise change it up, the board stops "working", and suddenly the "spirits" or "demons" get confused.

-CryptoLutheran

You need to be smarter than the devil and realize his ways of making us believe he is NOT doing what he most certainly is.
 
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How comes the only people i hear talking about the devil and his ways and how powerful he is...are Christians? I never here people in "the World" talking about devils......they do talk about God though. But if I want to learn about the powers of the devil and all the bad things he can do to me, I just need to do to church or a christian forum. Is this right? Whom is it that we serve?
 
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You need to be smarter than the devil and realize his ways of making us believe he is NOT doing what he most certainly is.

We need to resist the devil and give him no quarter, if the devil comes at you telling you he is a great and powerful thing worthy of your fear, then you tell him this, "Cowardly snake, Christ has defeated you, the Lord rebuke you, go back from whence you came."

Or as Luther says, chase the devil away with a fart,

"Almost every night when I wake up the devil is there and wants to dispute with me. I have come to this conclusion: When the argument that the Christian is without the law and above the law doesn’t help, I instantly chase him away with a fart." - Martin Luther, Table Talk

"And though this world, with devils filled,
Should threaten to undo us,
We will not fear, for God hath willed
His truth to triumph through us:
The Prince of Darkness grim,
We tremble not for him;
His rage we can endure,
For lo, his doom is sure,
One little word shall fell him.

That word above all earthly powers,
No thanks to them, abideth;
The Spirit and the gifts are ours
Through Him who with us sideth:
Let goods and kindred go,
This mortal life also;
The body they may kill:
God’s truth abideth still,
His kingdom is forever"

- A Mighty Fortress is Our God

"O Death, where is your sting? O Hell, where is your victory? Christ is risen, and you are overthrown. Christ is risen, and the demons are fallen. Christ is risen, and the angels rejoice. Christ is risen, and life reigns. Christ is risen, and not one dead remains in the grave. For Christ, being risen from the dead, is become the first fruits of those who have fallen asleep. To Him be glory and dominion unto ages of ages. Amen." - St. John Chrysostom's Paschal Homily

"Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you." - James 4:7

-CryptoLutheran
 
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In a discussion earlier today we were discussing what happens in the spiritual if a born-again believer uses a native war drum to worship God?

The current argument is that the redeemed individual sanctifies the instrument.

Following the logic, is a ouija board an acceptable tool to communicate with God?

(For the record, I am not, nor have I ever endorsed using a ouija board to talk to God)

Someone once said to me, 'prayer should be a dialogue'.

But... you do know Ouija boards are made by Parker Brothers, right? :)

Generally, this sort of thing ends up rejecting the voice of God within one's heart, is the major problem there. Why focus energy on trying to use a Parker Brother's toy, when God speaks in the hearts of all believers? (As John said, 'if the word remains in us, we know the Lord does', which at the very least means it is the Spirit who brings Scripture to our hearts everyday. )

Otherwise, no, as there will be a lot of baggage with the Ouija board, if anyone considers it "something", if they remove that baggage of ghost talking, necromancy, and demon summoning (or whatever)... then, what is left? Nothing but a board game.
 
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But... you do know Ouija boards are made by Parker Brothers, right? :)

You know what this means right? Everyone who has played monopoly has summoned demons as well!

I believe that these boards can only project have is in ones own heart......what one believes.

The earth is the Lords and the fullness thereof. I just dont understand why we continue to set things apart for "the devil."

Think about it.....how many things have Christians stated can only be used for the Devil, and no good can come from it even if you tried. NOW how many things have we stated can only be used for God....and no matter how a devil worshiper tries to use it for evil, he will only get good out of it?
 
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...well, then, so much for the story of Pharoah and his magicians who confronted Aaron and Moses. :rolleyes:

True. the magicians were able to produce illusions that made it look like they could even create life. No doubt Satan was providing some of the "details" for them to pull that off.

God was providing the power for Moses to turn the stick into a living Serpent. Both warring factions were present for that meeting between Moses and Pharaoh.
 
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I don't believe objects are capable of being imbued with some kind of power. As a Christian I do not believe in magick.

-CryptoLutheran

So then it is either God doing something or the devil doing something in your view?
 
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You know what this means right? Everyone who has played monopoly has summoned demons as well!

I believe that these boards can only project have is in ones own heart......what one believes.

The earth is the Lords and the fullness thereof. I just dont understand why we continue to set things apart for "the devil."

Think about it.....how many things have Christians stated can only be used for the Devil, and no good can come from it even if you tried. NOW how many things have we stated can only be used for God....and no matter how a devil worshiper tries to use it for evil, he will only get good out of it?

There is a language-culture disconnect here.

I am not familiar with Christians who view there as being "things... used for the Devil" or 'things used only for God'. Or, even Christians who consider "devil worshipers" real.

These are not mainstream Christian beliefs...

I do have some non-mainstream Christian beliefs, personally, but largely accept mainstream Christianity. With some disagreements here and there, depending on denomination or branch.

I do not accept small groups who view all Christians who are outside their small group: as unsaved and not real Christians.

I have found real believers in these sorts of groups, and I really pray and feel for them. That must be some kind of hell.

Are you trying to escape a superstitious group which views all other Christians as unsaved?

It sounds like you have been taught some odd things and yet, assume these are mainstream thoughts, however... so I would think, whatever sub-branch of Pentecostalism you belong to, at least, may not view all non-group members as unsaved?

Not sure...

Again, language-cultural disconnect... your profile does not say much about your religious background.

(Or personal background...)
 
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I am not familiar with Christians who view there as being "things... used for the Devil" or 'things used only for God'. Or, even Christians who consider "devil worshipers" real.

You can just read this thread and find that there are people who view these things.

It sounds like you have been taught some odd things and yet, assume these are mainstream thoughts, however... so I would think, whatever sub-branch of Pentecostalism you belong to, at least, may not view all non-group members as unsaved?

Not sure...

Again, language-cultural disconnect... your profile does not say much about your religious background.

I was asked to select a denom when i signed up and just selected the one ive been in most of my life....I didnt know I would be judged by it and dont know of a way to change it. But I do acknowledge that, since ive been in it for decades...some of it's dogmas and judgement may still be attached subconsciously...so I dont mind it being there.

I've have been lead for the road of religion a few years ago.....my destination still unseen. I cant say what i am anymore...all I know is that I am. As My steps are ordered....I follow.... Where He leads, I will follow. I would say that Im transitioning more from believing to knowing.........Which is why I sometimes question if posters information is known, or opinion.

Anyway, i dont want to derail the Thread...... I've found nothing wrong with what you have said.
 
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You can just read this thread and find that there are people who view these things.



I was asked to select a denom when i signed up and just selected the one ive been in most of my life....I didnt know I would be judged by it and dont know of a way to change it. But I do acknowledge that, since ive been in it for decades...some of it's dogmas and judgement may still be attached subconsciously...so I dont mind it being there.

I've have been lead for the road of religion a few years ago.....my destination still unseen. I cant say what i am anymore...all I know is that I am. As My steps are ordered....I follow.... Where He leads, I will follow. I would say that Im transitioning more from believing to knowing.........Which is why I sometimes question if posters information is known, or opinion.

Anyway, i dont want to derail the Thread...... I've found nothing wrong with what you have said.

:) Yes, I ran across a few, and not entirely new to this site. Just have not been here in a few years. Long time ago, used to post here regularly, but I try and stay anonymous. And generally, have always avoided these sorts of threads. :/

So, I am aware that these sorts exist, and in no small part, because you can find them in the corners of some forums and newsgroups and such online.

The major reason why I did not stick to any church that had these sorts of beliefs, when starting out to find a church, decades ago? Was because I could not stomach their damning every other Christian on the planet on the basis of their legalistic rules.

One of those was an pentecostal off branch of an off branch group. They really did not have many people. And they did believe they were the only true Christians on the planet. Definitely not because they regarded the actual teachings of Jesus. They said the word "Jesus", a lot. But, they were very far from Jesus and his actual teachings.

Another group, was a "Church of Christ" off-branch of an off branch. Far better group. No severe demon or devil focused superstitions, but instead, bizarre legalities about the length of women's hair, the specific name of the church, and other such absurdities.

Frankly, that group, I felt and am sure did, have some good Christians. But, again, the atrocious judgmentalism against all other Christians... was there.

Both groups, almost bizarrely, swore up and down, they were anti-legalist, and one even used the term, "legalist", a lot, when describing their "enemies". Who were all the other Christians, mainly.

I think, though, with the "pentecostal" group - should be in quotes, really, as they were so off branch - the final straw that ultimately made me leave and not even try [and saved them] anymore was when one young man went on about how the damned (again, the entire population of the planet is what they really meant, except for these twenty folks) would be literally tortured forever like getting their head stuck in an oven with their face skin always peeling off.

He seemed to enjoy the idea of it.

Somehow, I do not think that was very Jesus like. Very opposite. <_<


I can tell you that Christianity is the literally biggest religion in the world. There are definitely severe problems, but the worst are always - what I find - in the exact same sorts of small, isolated groups the Apostles warned us about.


I can also state, I have a relative-in-law, who is JW. A very severe cult. She used to seriously believe common appliances were demon possessed. No joke. Stories about her smashing up, for instance, a record player, as she was absolutely convinced it was possessed.

She has much moved away from that level of extremism, but is very seriously in a bad place, still.

I am nice to her, relatively, but I am also specifically stand offish. In no way would I ever let her think I consider her to be saved, at all. That would feed her delusion, which would be very detrimental to her.

As for these sorts of groups, 'they left us showing they were never of us'. There certainly are superstitious but saved Christians, but very often their branches did start out from folks who were not saved. Never knew Christ.

I did use to view that verse as meaning they were Christians who fell away. As in, they had really tasted the powers of the Kingdom to come. But, now I realize, they never did. For whatever reason, God let them come, and they just never had the Spirit inside. So, they never got it.

Personally, I do not know your situation, but I do believe you are saved. From there, as John said, 'you do not need teachers, as the Holy Spirit will teach you all things'.

And, we know, the good are mixed in with the bad... in some places, I think, much worse then others...
 
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I have never used a Ouija board, nor do I ever plan on using one.

Frankly I fall in the camp that says that you are not communicating with either the dead or with demons which you use such a device. It is a game made by a toy company in which human beings push a planchette on a board. If it happens to give answers it is because one person is looking or simply by dumb luck. And the name Ouija, BTW, simply means yes-yes.

To me the danger from such devices is not demonic possession but rather that people come to rely on them instead of trusting God. "I'm not sure if I should schedule that trip or take that job or ask that person out, let me check with the Ouija board."

Oh, and to get back to the OP, why would you use a Ouija board to talk with God? I talk with God daily, and God answers in a variety of ways.
 
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How comes the only people i hear talking about the devil and his ways and how powerful he is...are Christians? I never here people in "the World" talking about devils......they do talk about God though. But if I want to learn about the powers of the devil and all the bad things he can do to me, I just need to do to church or a christian forum. Is this right? Whom is it that we serve?

Because Christians believe in the devil and his demons, while atheists and other non-believers don't. And yes, you should know about your enemy. There are plenty of books about demons and how to conquer them using the Word of Jesus Christ.

Because the enemy never stops until he has you. It's an ongoing battle.
 
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We need to resist the devil and give him no quarter, if the devil comes at you telling you he is a great and powerful thing worthy of your fear, then you tell him this, "Cowardly snake, Christ has defeated you, the Lord rebuke you, go back from whence you came."

Or as Luther says, chase the devil away with a fart,

"Almost every night when I wake up the devil is there and wants to dispute with me. I have come to this conclusion: When the argument that the Christian is without the law and above the law doesn’t help, I instantly chase him away with a fart." - Martin Luther, Table Talk

"And though this world, with devils filled,
Should threaten to undo us,
We will not fear, for God hath willed
His truth to triumph through us:
The Prince of Darkness grim,
We tremble not for him;
His rage we can endure,
For lo, his doom is sure,
One little word shall fell him.

That word above all earthly powers,
No thanks to them, abideth;
The Spirit and the gifts are ours
Through Him who with us sideth:
Let goods and kindred go,
This mortal life also;
The body they may kill:
God’s truth abideth still,
His kingdom is forever"

- A Mighty Fortress is Our God

"O Death, where is your sting? O Hell, where is your victory? Christ is risen, and you are overthrown. Christ is risen, and the demons are fallen. Christ is risen, and the angels rejoice. Christ is risen, and life reigns. Christ is risen, and not one dead remains in the grave. For Christ, being risen from the dead, is become the first fruits of those who have fallen asleep. To Him be glory and dominion unto ages of ages. Amen." - St. John Chrysostom's Paschal Homily

"Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you." - James 4:7

-CryptoLutheran

Yes, I agree with resisting the devil. Frankly, I don't even think of him. Some see the devil under every rock - I'm not rebuking him with every breath.

However, as far as an Ouija board, that is inviting the devil. It is presumptuous to believe God will protect you. It is not just a game, and far from the innocence you believe. It is not someone cheating and moving the pointer. It is not a ghost, it is a demon.
 
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Because Christians believe in the devil and his demons, while atheists and other non-believers don't. And yes, you should know about your enemy. There are plenty of books about demons and how to conquer them using the Word of Jesus Christ.

Because the enemy never stops until he has you. It's an ongoing battle.

I thought I was to only fear the one who can destroy both body and soul......That I could walk through the valley of shadows of death and not have to fear evil. I thought that Christ defeated satan and with Christ you have the power to tell satan to get steppin.

I will take your advice under advisement and consider the above to be false and think about studying the enemy.
 
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This is confusion
This person started this thread
Got quite a number of responses telling him not to use the board
Telling him it is opening the wrong doors into a spiritual realm better left close

And now he is justifying himself saying he believes in THE GOSPEL and therefore is free to not only use this known satanic object, but unknowingly justifying himself in not only risking a weaker brothers conscience but as if he is allowed to test GOD by disregarding all that everyone has said and still offer to others that it isn't wrong to speak to GOD through this device


It is wrong to speak to GOD through this device
It is wrong to ask GOD questions through this device
It is wrong to cause confusion to ignorant babies listening in
It is wrong to say he is a believer and can do all things by CHRIST

No he can't
Not all things are beneficial

And this is one thing that isnt

Brother, to be clear:

It's a question. There has been excellent discourse. I'm continuing to ask questions to aid in discerning where the line is (or if there even is a line).

I've never used a ouija board, I've never even knowingly been in the presence of one. I had no idea there were instructions or printed incantations or anything until someone mentioned it in this thread.

If a believer reads the first post and doesn't read the overwhelming responses of "bad idea" and some very good responses as to scripturally correct ways, the responsibility lies where?

I enjoy Christianforums.com as a way of working out my overactive mind on topics that don't immediately impact my life looking more like Jesus (loving others, manifesting the kingdom, etc).

In no way am I looking to waylay, injure, or cause danger to anyone. I figure if someone can read the posts, they can reason the posts.
 
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