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can christians NOT be nudists

KitKatMatt

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So you're saying that being nude is a sin? I don't quite get that.

I'll be happy to go full birthday suit in my room for the next few days to test out that theory, though. If I get a face full of lightning, I will concede to your point.
 
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:thumbsup:I ask that question purposefully the way I ask it .Let me put it to you this way.Why should christians be nudists?
I am a christian born again and spirit filled with the evidence of speaking in tounges,yet I am a naturist/nudist.I too am a Pastor,and minister in the nude.I reason this way.Adam was intended to be naked,and he shared the presence of God in the nude.God had intended man to be naked,as He was mans covering.By God, righteousness and Glory was Adams covering in Eden,and he had no shyness nor shame.God was his covering.Adam became shy only once he lost his covering,and had to substitute it with fig leaves,and later animal skin.(provided by God Himself)This is a metaphor of the new federal head of mankind ,Satan.
Later the circumcision became mans covering,co linked with the law as his covering.The new testament declares that we died with Christ on the cross,and once again became covered by God,hanging naked on the cross.We died with him,was buried with him and resurrected with him.The body no longer becomes the instrument of shame,as the Bible declares That we have put on the new man made in the likeness of God,righteousness and glory(Ephes 4).Now the body becomes the temple of God and the dwelling place of God!The temples of Israel were never covered,but exhibited,and God dwelled in it.That was the seat of His presense.So it is with the body now.The body is Gods temple,covered by Christ,and indwelled by God....should it be hidden and covred?or should it be naked....

Nudity is a symbol of speaking the truth openly and honestly about our own spiritual condition.

Scroll down to the section The Judgment Seat of Christ to read one of the most amazing examples I have ever read of a Christian having their veils of understanding removed.


The Hordes of Hell are Marching

He departed back into the ranks and I began walking again, trying to understand all that he had said to me. As I looked over the great host that he had said were the foolish virgins, the ones who had spiritually slept away their life on earth, I knew that if any one of them appeared on earth now that they would be worshiped as gods, and yet they were the very least of those who were here!

I then began to think of all of the time that I had wasted in my life. It was such an overwhelming thought that I stopped. Then parts of my life began to pass before me. I began to experience a terrible grief over this one sin. I too had been one of the greatest of fools! I may have kept more oil in my lamp than others, but now I knew how foolish I had been to measure what was required of me by how others were doing. I, too, was one of the foolish virgins!

Just when I thought I would collapse under the weight of this terrible discovery, a man who I had known and esteemed as one of the great men of God I had known, came forward to steady me. Somehow his touch revived me. He then greeted me warmly. He was a man that I had wanted to be discipled by. I had met him, but we did not get along well. Like a number of others I had tried to get close enough to learn from, I was an irritation to him and he finally asked me to leave. For years I had felt guilty about this, feeling that I had missed a great opportunity because of some flaw in my character. Even though I had put it out of my mind, I still carried the weight of this failure. When I saw him it all surfaced, and a sick feeling came over me. Now he was so regal that I felt even more repulsive and embarrassed by my poor state. I wanted to hide but there was not way I could avoid him here. To my surprise, his warmth toward me was so genuine that he quickly put me at ease. There did not seem to be any barriers between us. In fact, the love I felt coming from him almost completely took away my self-consciousness.

"I have waited eagerly for this meeting," he said.
"You were waiting for me?" I asked. "Why?"

"You are just one of many that I am waiting for. I did not understand until my judgment that you were one that I was called to help, to even disciple, but I rejected you."

"Sir," I protested. "It would have been a great honor to be discipled by you, and I am very thankful for the time that I did have with you, but I was so arrogant I deserved your rejection. I know that my rebellion and pride has kept me from ever having a real spiritual father. This was not your fault, but mine."

"It is true that you were prideful, but that is not why I was offended with you. I was offended because of my insecurity, which made me want to control everyone around me. I was offended that you would not accept everything that I said without questioning it. I then started to look for anything that was wrong with you to justify my rejection. I began to feel that if I could not control you that you would one day embarrass me and my ministry. I esteemed my ministry more than I did the people for whom it was given to me, so I drove many like you away," he said.

With a genuineness that is unknown in the realms of earth, he continued, "All children are rebellious, and think that the world revolves around them. That is why they need parents to raise them. Almost every child will at times bring reproach on his family, but he is still a part of the family. I turned away many of God's own children that he had entrusted to me for getting them safely to maturity. I failed with most of them. Most of them suffered terrible wounds and failures that I could have helped them to avoid. Many of them are now prisoners of the enemy. I built a large organization, and had considerable influence in the church, but the greatest gifts that the Lord trusted to me were the ones who were sent to me for discipline, many of whom I rejected. Had I not been so self-centered and concerned with my own reputation I would be a king here. I was called to one of the highest thrones. All that you have and will accomplish would have been in my heavenly account as well. Instead, much of what I gave my attention to was of very little true eternal significance. What looks good on earth looks very different here. What will make you a king on earth will often be a stumbling block to keep you from being a king here. What will make you a king here is lowly and unesteemed on earth. Will you forgive me?"

"Of course," I said, quite embarrassed. "But I, too, am in need of your forgiveness. I still think that it was my awkwardness and rebellion that made if difficult for you."

"It is true that you were not perfect, and I discerned some of your problems rightly, but that is never cause for rejection," he replied. "The Lord did not reject the world when I saw its failures. He did not reject me when He saw my sin. He laid down His life for us. It is always the greater who must lay down his life for the lessor. I was more mature. I had more authority than you, but I became like one of the goats in the parable; I rejected the Lord by rejecting you and the others that He sent to me."
As he talked, his words were striking me deeply. I, too, was guilty of everything that he was relenting of. Many young men and women who I had brushed off as not being important enough for my time were now passing through my mind. How desperately I wanted to return now and gather them together! This grief that I began to feel was even worse than I had felt about wasting time. I had wasted people! Now many of these were prisoners of the enemy, wounded and captured during the battle on the mountain. This whole battle was for people, and yet people were often regarded as the least important. We will fight for truths more than for the people for whom they are given. We will fight for ministries while running roughshod over the people in them. "And many people think of me as a spiritual leader! I am truly the least of the saints," I thought to myself.

So metaphorically....... true Christians need to be willing to be exceptionally honest and open about our flaws........ nudists spiritually.
 
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So you're saying that being nude is a sin? I don't quite get that.

I'll be happy to go full birthday suit in my room for the next few days to test out that theory, though. If I get a face full of lightning, I will concede to your point.

You won't get a face-full of lightning. My family and I have spent many weekends nude with hundreds of other nude people. No lightning (other than an occasional thunderstorm).

Sin is a different matter. I don't believe our nudity was / is sinful.

If someone else's is, that's their problem.
 
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God will not strike you with a bolt of lightning for going nude. But He surely won't bless you for it either. If you're wondering why God never blesses you, you might want to consider your nudism.

Alan

God blesses me everyday, in more ways than I know about. :clap:

And not because I'm worthy (I'm not), but because He's good. :holy:
 
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God will not strike you with a bolt of lightning for going nude. But He surely won't bless you for it either. If you're wondering why God never blesses you, you might want to consider your nudism.

Alan

So... God will now withhold blessings from me because I choose to be naked in my own home?

That is the oddest God I have ever heard of. Surely He is not that petty.
 
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So... God will now withhold blessings from me because I choose to be naked in my own home?

That is the oddest God I have ever heard of. Surely He is not that petty.

I've consistently said that being nude alone, or with your spouse, in the privacy of your own home is no problem. But if you go out in public please wear clothes.

God is not petty, but He is righteous and Holy.

Alan
 
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I've consistently said that being nude alone, or with your spouse in the privacy of your own home is no problem. But if you go out in public please wear clothes.

God is not petty, but He is righteous.

Alan

And I said I wear clothes in public places, because, uh, I don't live in a place where public nudity is accepted or legal.

Even if I DID live in such a place and went nude, I don't see why God would withhold "blessings" from me. That is still very petty.
 
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I've consistently said that being nude alone, or with your spouse, in the privacy of your own home is no problem. But if you go out in public please wear clothes.

God is not petty, but He is righteous and Holy.

Alan

And what makes you think that nudity is not "righteous"? Or better, who are you to say what is "righteous" and what is not? So quick to judge… What's wrong with nudity in a nude beach or any other place where everyone else is naked?
 
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And what makes you think that nudity is not "righteous"? Or better, who are you to say what is "righteous" and what is not? So quick to judge… What's wrong with nudity in a nude beach or any other place where everyone else is naked?

Excuse Me! Are you saying that people exposing their private parts openly in public is a righteous thing that God looks favorably upon?

You said: "Or better, who are you to say what is "righteous" and what is not?" (answer) I'm a born again Christian--God's son.


You say: "so quick to judge," but in saying so aren't you judging me?

Romans 2:1 Amplified Bible

2 Therefore you have no excuse or defense or justification, O man, whoever you are who judges and condemns another. For in posing as judge and passing sentence on another, you condemn yourself, because you who judge are habitually practicing the very same things [that you censure and denounce].

Luke 6:42 Amplified Bible

42 Or how can you say to your brother, Brother, allow me to take out the speck that is in your eye, when you yourself do not see the beam that is in your own eye? You actor (pretender, hypocrite)! First take the beam out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take out the speck that is in your brother's eye.


Blessings,

Alan
 
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[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']Just a remark: If I, as a Christian, am in the shower or in the bath, naked of cause, and I would die, what would happen. Would it count against me?[/FONT]​
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[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']Look at the following and realise it isn’t clothes or nakedness that causes you to sin[/FONT]​

· [FONT='Arial','sans-serif']Mark 7:20-23 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man. For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.[/FONT]​
 
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We are not to judge that is only GOD'S duty.Mankind made their first judgement by themselves in the garden of eden.
People are judging on this site so frequently they have lost sight of GOD just an observation. GOD asked Adam " who told you that you were naked ? " Did GOD say that you are naked ?
Who was present in the garden ? GOD, Adam, Eve, and the serpent.
 
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I'm confused by this thread...

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I wonder... is nudity really the more "natural" state of humanity? I mean, obviously we're born naked, but there seems to be a drive in every culture that I've ever heard of to adopt some kind of covering as the socially acceptable norm.

The Risen and Glorified Christ wore clothes, and even angels are depicted as wearing clothes! It seems funny to think of angels feeling shame, and if ever there was a human who had no reason to be ashamed, it is the Risen Christ... but He wore clothes. Indeed, John's Revelation has Christ's clothing shine as if it was glorified right along with Him, or was even part of His glory.

Think about the role of clothing throughout human history and across countless civilizations: Clothing signifies everything from social status to tribal affiliation to personal identity. I would argue that I am more "who I really am" when I'm wearing clothing I feel comfortable in than when I'm naked. Nudity emphasizes our sameness and animalness... I would tentatively suggest that clothing brings out our identity and the distinctiveness of our existence as moral beings. (Not that being naked is immoral. But there's something complex and fascinating going on at the intersection of morality and sexuality and our identity.)

FWIW I'm pretty sure C.S.Lewis has an article that addresses this much more eloquently than I can. Anyone remember where that might be? Or care to summarize?
 
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While most cultures have had some form of clothing, much of it would be considered "immodest" by modern western standards. The widespread use of clothes across many cultures shows that there is nothing particularly "Christian" about clothing.

The natives Columbus encountered on his first voyage wore no clothing at all, which was understandable in that climate. I'm not a "Columbus-basher", but how much better the world would be now if Columbus and other New-World explorers had modeled Christ's behavior in terms of the Sermon on the Mount, where He considered clothes to be secondary to the Kingdom of God.

People love to decorate their houses, cars, desks, and themselves. Even nudists sometimes drape colorful sarongs or similar garments over their otherwise-bare bodies, not for covering, but to individualize their appearance. They sometimes also employ body paint, tattoos, and piercings for the same purpose.

While Jesus wore clothes most of the time (as was customary in His culture), He was nude at least four critical times in His life (birth, baptism, crucifixion, resurrection). Where He obtained clothes after the Resurrection is a mystery (maybe He was clothed in His righteousness?).

Much as I admire C. S. Lewis for his Christian writings, he had some goofy ideas about masturbation, and it wouldn't surprise me if that applied to nudity also.
 
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Yup, I wasn't really talking about how "modest" clothing was. "Modest" clothing varies wildly from culture to culture. A loin cloth can be considered modest if that's the cultural norm. But... and correct me if I'm wrong, this is not my area of study... isn't total nudity pretty rare, even in tropical climates?

Hehe, are you saying human history would have been vastly improved by Columbus not forcing the native people to wear clothes? Maybe... that just seems like a small thing compared to the general genocide and theft of property that followed his landing.

I'm... not sure what point you're trying to make about Jesus being naked four times. He was human, He had a body, I'm sure He was naked every time He went to the bathroom or bathed... same as most of us. And, while I assume He was naked at the moment of the Resurrection, He wasn't seen until He was clothed. Also, if clothing=righteousness, that seems a little problematic for your point, doesn't it? ;)

Funny, this is not the kind of conversation I thought I'd be having when I signed up for these forums =)
 
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