Can anyone baptise another person?

[vortigen84]

It is immaterial whether you agree; that is the way it is.

For example, in the UK all midwives are all trained to baptise, in case a very urgent situation arises. They do not have to be Christians in order to effect baptism on a dying baby if the parents want it and there is no priest available in time.

The necessity is for the Baptism to be done in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, and using water. There is no necessity for the person baptising to be Christian. If there is a priest sitting having a cup of tea in the next room it would be invalid. If there is no priest anywhere to be found, then it is valid, whoever does it. As with any other Sacrament, the efficacy of the Sacrament of Baptism does not depend on the perfection of the person administering it, but on God; he always perfects our imperfection.

That is how it is.

Says who?

 

[Catherineanne]

Says who?

Google is your friend. Prove me wrong.

 

[LilLamb219]

I don't know that. We don't know the status of that Church. Do they have to rent their baptismal pool, is it undergoing repairs, did they have libality issues in the past ? their could be multiple reasons why they only do it once a year, without hearing their side, it's a bit hard to judge them as it being wrong.


But as for the OP Question. Yes any believer can go forth and baptize someone into the family. As someone else pointed out

A pool is not needed for a baptism. Water and the Word, that's what it is. The Didache instructed to use running water...so pouring is acceptable. Full immersion is not commanded by scripture. They "baptized" furniture in the NT...and those things were not removed outside to be fully immersed.

 

[ezeric]

They "baptized" furniture in the NT...and those things were not removed outside to be fully immersed.

I've never heard of that, where did you find that?

-eric


The Exchanged Life

 

[relate4ever]

I can see in Matthew 28 that disciples baptize. The important thing is - the one who will be baptized, repented already?

 

[vortigen84]

Interesting! Can not find any commands about who to baptize. The important thing is the one baptized repented?

You are to baptise the disciples you've made:

Matthew 28:19-20

Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them inb the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you.​

 

[LilLamb219]

I've never heard of that, where did you find that?

-eric


The Exchanged Life

Mark 7:4-

[FONT=courier new,courier,monospace][FONT=arial,helvetica,sans-serif] The words that concern us now are at the end of the list, viz. "kai klinown" which is translated "and (dining) couches" by most translators, or "and tables" according to the King James Version of the Bible. There is some speculation amongst Biblical textual experts as to whether or not the words "kai klinown" are actually part of the original text. The Textus Receptus Greek text of the New Testament, from which the King James version of the Bible is translated, along with several others has included it; others simply footnote it. [/FONT][/FONT] [FONT=courier new,courier,monospace][FONT=arial,helvetica,sans-serif] Taking this from a purely grammatical standpoint, it would be safe to say that it is proper to connect the word "baptize" with the washing of articles of furniture. Therefore, it would be highly impractical, if not impossible at times, for a dining couch (or table) to be located at, or transported to a place where there would be enough water to completely submerge it, and enough manpower to carry out this task.[/FONT][/FONT]

Mighty Fortress Evangelical Lutheran Church

 

[ezeric]

Mark 7:4-



Mighty Fortress Evangelical Lutheran Church

Ok, thanks...I thought you just wouldn't throw that out there!

The greek doesn't have (as you mentioned) the kai klinon in the text.
Kai meaning "and" and "klinon" would mean couches/beds.
It is not in the original, but the word is used when the friends carried their sick friend on his bed/couch to lower him through the roof to get to JESUS.
Also when the disciples were eating and reclining on the couch/bed during the last supper.

The couch/bed is not there to be baptized, but the fact is they did 'baptize' their kitchen stuff.
Or emerged it, putting it in the water - for cleaning i.e. 'baptism'.

Thanks for sharing that.

-eric

Note: to further back up what is in the original greek or not, I use Dr. Ivan Panin's Numeric Greek NT.

 

[jacquidube]

My partner wants to be baptised but the church I belong doesnt baptise until July next year so can anyone or myself baptise him?

Wooo didnt expect so many different opinions but thank you guys for taking the time to answer.

My partner only gave his life on the 16th september this month but he feels for some reason that he needs to be baptised as he thinks he wont be here on the earth long.

 

[LemonAidStand]

My partner wants to be baptised but the church I belong doesnt baptise until July next year so can anyone or myself baptise him?

Go out unto all nations making disciples of all people. Baptising in the name of the Father & Son & the Holy Spirit. This is the great commission.. It is one of those glorious acts that God chose to share with His children.. Allowing us to be a part in bringing glory to our Heavenly Father by being active in the sharing of the gospel & baptising one another. Although this is only an outward display of ones faith. Baptism by fire or the Holy Spirit can only be performed by God the Holy Spirit. And this is the only regeneration of ones spirit. Remember that there is nothing we can or have to do to be saved. It is completely the work of God. Not that of ourselves lest anyone should boast. To back this claim. You need only read about saul on the road to Damascus. He was converted on the spot. He didn't do anything. Blessings

 

[Girder of Loins]

Good thing I don't care what some person on Google thinks, then.

Your claims aren't supported by the Bible. They are stupid, unnecessary and wrong.

That you can't back them up on your own just proves that you are clueless.

I wouldn't call Catherineanne "clueless". Perhaps misguided, but not clueless. She does know what she is talking about and has a myriad of scriptures to back herself up. The difference between you and her is your opinions on the scriptures. We see it as the "baptism" being of the spirit, as referenced in Matthew 3:11. Lutherans, Catholics, and a whole host of other denominations believe the baptism to be two-fold. One spirit, one physical, and believe both to be prescribed in the Bible.

In the end, does it matter? The requirement for salvation is true belief in Christ, otherwise it would have been in vain. We can all agree on that, at least.

 

[Joy]

Wooo didnt expect so many different opinions but thank you guys for taking the time to answer.

My partner only gave his life on the 16th september this month but he feels for some reason that he needs to be baptised as he thinks he wont be here on the earth long.

I would share your partner's concern with the Minister and He may change his thinking about the date of the Baptism

 

[LilLamb219]

SOME manuscripts omit "dining couches" but that means that there are SOME that do include it. Just had to throw that out there. I think that if we continue this discussion, it needs to be in another forum though.

Ok, thanks...I thought you just wouldn't throw that out there!

The greek doesn't have (as you mentioned) the kai klinon in the text.
Kai meaning "and" and "klinon" would mean couches/beds.
It is not in the original, but the word is used when the friends carried their sick friend on his bed/couch to lower him through the roof to get to JESUS.
Also when the disciples were eating and reclining on the couch/bed during the last supper.

The couch/bed is not there to be baptized, but the fact is they did 'baptize' their kitchen stuff.
Or emerged it, putting it in the water - for cleaning i.e. 'baptism'.

Thanks for sharing that.

-eric

Note: to further back up what is in the original greek or not, I use Dr. Ivan Panin's Numeric Greek NT.

 

[Catherineanne]

Wooo didnt expect so many different opinions but thank you guys for taking the time to answer.

My partner only gave his life on the 16th september this month but he feels for some reason that he needs to be baptised as he thinks he wont be here on the earth long.

Perhaps he could ask if the church would object to him being baptised elsewhere. There may well be baptism available sooner in a different church.

Meanwhile, for those not acquainted with Google, please note below: 'ANY lay person.' Not any Christian. I think this may not be the case in the Orthodox Church, but as far as I am aware it is the case in the Anglican and Roman Catholic communions; in extremis anyone may baptise as long as it is done in the proper form. But it has to be a genuine situation, not just because someone is afraid of dying at some indeterminate point.

http://en.allexperts.com/q/Anglicans-943/Baptism-1.htm

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Twimc: I would appreciate not reading any further ad homs, or indeed erroneous 'explanations' of what I believe. I am perfectly capable of explaining my own beliefs for myself. Many thanks.

 

[steve_bakr]

Good thing I don't care what some person on Google thinks, then.

Your claims aren't supported by the Bible. They are stupid, unnecessary and wrong.

That you can't back them up on your own just proves that you are clueless.

Woah. Easy does it.

Perhaps you disagree, but Catherineanne has correctly explained my understanding of the Catholic position regarding who can perform a baptism in extremis. My only difference might be just a little more leeway on what constitutes an extreme situation to include fear of impending death. But her description is sound, as far as it relates to the Catholic faith.

Please feel free to share your disagreement with civility. Thanks.