Can a Homosexual be a Christian?

[Ohioprof]

But we do have the power to discern through Holy Scripture those that best fit the discription:

Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders … (1Cor 6:9)

And also:

In revelations chapter 2, Jesus praised the Church of Ephesus for not tolerating wicked men and here we see Paul’s urging:
As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer (1 Tim 1-3)

We can judge others on the basis of using the Word of God. It is called discernment when we judge the actions of others negatively when the Bible itself calls that action a sin.

It is also called sticking your nose where it does not belong, into other people's business.

 

[BAFRIEND]

It is also called sticking your nose where it does not belong, into other people's business.

I am sorry, I thought this was a debate forum ? Forgive me for not knocking before I pulled back the shower curtain.

 

[Ohioprof]

I am sorry, I thought this was a debate forum ? Forgive me for not knocking before I pulled back the shower curtain.

You are free to stick your nose where it doesn't belong and expound on the lives of people you know nothing about, but other people are going to call you on that. That's what debating is. Responding to your speech with speech.

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear ChaliceThunder,
How then could you split this forum into Christian and no-Christian sections? Of course you can, and when you say its between Christ and the person, of course it is and Christ says what makes a Christian in the Bible which we are citing.

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear Ohioprof,

I read the Bible. I do not regard the Bible as the word of God. I try to judge the Bible as a historical set of texts, and I also consider the Gnostic Gospels, which add much to our understanding of early Christian writing and thinking.

The point was Christians use the Bible as a reliable rule and standard of faith and matters of conduct.
For example, church organisations such as the Anglican Communion believes this and the Evangelical Alliance believes this and the Roman Catholic church believes this.
http://www.cofe.anglican.org/faith/anglican/
http://www.catholic-ew.org.uk/faith/faith_home.htm
http://www.eauk.org/about/basis-of-faith.cfm

your worldview is obviously different and not a Christian one.
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[Ohioprof]

Dear Ohioprof,

The point was Christians use the Bible as a reliable rule and standard of faith and matters of conduct.
For example, church organisations such as the Anglican Communion believes this and the Evangelical Alliance believes this and the Roman Catholic church believes this.
http://www.cofe.anglican.org/faith/anglican/
http://www.catholic-ew.org.uk/faith/faith_home.htm
http://www.eauk.org/about/basis-of-faith.cfm

your worldview is obviously different and not a Christian one.
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My world view is Christian. It's not the same as yours, but it is Christian. You continue to claim that I am not a Christian. Why do you care whether I say I am a Christian or not?

 

[lincolngreen50]

Dear Ohioprof,

The point was Christians use the Bible as a reliable rule and standard of faith and matters of conduct.
For example, church organisations such as the Anglican Communion believes this and the Evangelical Alliance believes this and the Roman Catholic church believes this.
http://www.cofe.anglican.org/faith/anglican/
http://www.catholic-ew.org.uk/faith/faith_home.htm
http://www.eauk.org/about/basis-of-faith.cfm

your worldview is obviously different and not a Christian one.
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[Ohioprof]

Isn't there a forum rule that people are not supposed to accuse other posters of not being Christians? If so, then you and Phineas just broke this rule. Phineas has accused me of not being a Christian over and over, which means, if that is a rule, he has broken, and re-broken, and re-broken that rule.

 

[OllieFranz]

Isn't there a forum rule that people are not supposed to accuse other posters of not being Christians? If so, then you and Phineas just broke this rule. Phineas has accused me of not being a Christian over and over, which means, if that is a rule, he has broken, and re-broken, and re-broken that rule.

Since that was a forum-specific rule for CP&E and its sub-fora (including DoH) and the site's new owner has eliminated the forum-specific rules, they are once again free to slander you with impunity. Sorry.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

Since that was a forum-specific rule for CP&E and its sub-fora (including DoH) and the site's new owner has eliminated the forum-specific rules, they are once again free to slander you with impunity. Sorry.

That is a pity.

I suppose we could, with scriptural backing, accuse THEM of not being real Christians, since they have missed the message of Christ. But that would lack integrity...so we don't do that.

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear Ohioprof,

My world view is Christian.

Then you are out of touch with reality. No your world view isn’t Christian, I have demonstrated that not least by the fact that Christians believe the Bible is the reliable rule and standard in matters of faith and conduct and you don’t. Christians believe Jesus Christ is the So of God and was resurrected, you have said you don’t

It's not the same as yours, but it is Christian.

Yours isn’t Christian because it doesn’t match what is Christian.
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You continue to claim that I am not a Christian. Why do you care whether I say I am a Christian or not?[/quote No I do not claim you are not a Christian, you keep claiming you are, all I am doing is pointing out your worldviews are not Christian.

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear ChaliceThunder,

I suppose we could, with scriptural backing, accuse THEM of not being real Christians, since they have missed the message of Christ. But that would lack integrity...so we don't do that.

Which is the message of Christ? I believe the Bible has the message of Christ thats why I am citing it (as encouraged to do in the Forum FAQ's) Ohioprof doesnt believe the Bible is the reliable rule and standard of faith. Where do you stand?

 

[HaloHope]

Dear ChaliceThunder,
Which is the message of Christ? I believe the Bible has the message of Christ thats why I am citing it (as encouraged to do in the Forum FAQ's) Ohioprof doesnt believe the Bible is the reliable rule and standard of faith. Where do you stand?

My reliable view and standard of faith comes from my own relationship with Jesus. I consider prayer/meditation and time pent with God far, far, far more important than the Bible, which while useful is certainly not inherrant. I am a Christian through personal revelation from Christ, not because I read the Bible.

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear Halohope,

My reliable view and standard of faith comes from my own relationship with Jesus.

So does mine, but how do you know its Jesus with whom you have a relationship. The way to find out is by refrring to the Bible then you can test whether it is God or another spirit speakking to you and if it is God know what His good and perfect will is.

I am a Christian through personal revelation from Christ, not because I read the Bible.

Ah but anywone can say that, the test is the Bible for Christians. I could say I am Jesus Christ Himself, but alas Jesus Christ's testimony in the Bible says to watch out to avoid people like that.

 

[HaloHope]

Dear Halohope,
So does mine, but how do you know its Jesus with whom you have a relationship. The way to find out is by refrring to the Bible then you can test whether it is God or another spirit speakking to you and if it is God know what His good and perfect will is.
Ah but anywone can say that, the test is the Bible for Christians. I could say I am Jesus Christ Himself, but alas Jesus Christ's testimony in the Bible says to watch out to avoid people like that.

We shall just have to agree to disagree with this approach. I dont believe my beliefs to be outside what the Bible says. I also however dont think anything written by men (even men influenced by the holy spirit) can be taken as 100% accurate. The Bible to me at least is a tool to guide people to a more personal relationship with God, once that has been established its that relationship thats important. Not the Bible.

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear Halohope,

We shall just have to agree to disagree with this approach. I dont believe my beliefs to be outside what the Bible says. I also however dont think anything written by men (even men influenced by the holy spirit) can be taken as 100% accurate. The Bible to me at least is a tool to guide people to a more personal relationship with God, once that has been established its that relationship thats important. Not the Bible.

No we dont even agree to differ, I have provdided in this whole debate Biblical citation and quote one after another, I have provided the evidence of what the dictionary definition says, I have provided what the forum FAQ's say and I have provided what the main Christian denomiinations and ministries say. All you have done is provide your personal opinion and revelation and I reject it as wholly false. Sorry about that my friend, I have no bad feelings but if you have no evidence except your own personal ideas the reality of the argument is dysfunctional

 

[HaloHope]

Dear Halohope,
No we dont even agree to differ, I have provdided in this whole debate Biblical citation and quote one after another, I have provided the evidence of what the dictionary definition says, I have provided what the forum FAQ's say and I have provided what the main Christian denomiinations and ministries say. All you have done is provide your personal opinion and revelation and I reject it as wholly false. Sorry about that my friend, I have no bad feelings but if you have no evidence except your own personal ideas the reality of the argument is dysfunctional

None of these are evidence. Just opinions on things. Mine isnt eveidene either of course its my opinion. However these things are equal so its perfectly ratiional to agree to disagree on equal things.

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear Halohope,
No I reject that, What I have given is evidence, and my opinion, all you ahve given is your personal experience ; hy even the forums's own FAQ's encourage us to provide scripture as evidence. However I should say that according to Jesus Biblical teaching what counts is when we stand before Him and account for what we have said and done not what others think and do. So we are equal there
I think the issue here is the Christian faith not homosexuality. There are two different religions both claiming to be Christian. I just think the same-sex and universalism debates exposes the two more than anything else.
peace

 

[Brieuse]

Dear Halohope,
So does mine, but how do you know its Jesus with whom you have a relationship. The way to find out is by refrring to the Bible then you can test whether it is God or another spirit speakking to you and if it is God know what His good and perfect will is.
Ah but anywone can say that, the test is the Bible for Christians. I could say I am Jesus Christ Himself, but alas Jesus Christ's testimony in the Bible says to watch out to avoid people like that.

Yes, I'd also suggest to watch out for people claiming to be the Messiah. He's already been, as testified and witnessed in the New Testament. Next time He comes, we won't be sitting arguing on our laptops.

I do however disagree that her testimony that her faith comes from a personal relationship with God is a false testimony. It sounds like her relationship with God is what God desires for everybody.

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear Brieuse,

I do however disagree that her testimony that her faith comes from a personal relationship with God is a false testimony. It sounds like her relationship with God is what God desires for everybody.

No careful, don’t link someone’s whole faith on one issue. My point is that we test the spirits to see if they are from God, and we test them against the Biblical testimony. If I hear from God to steal something I can test this against the word and see whether it is from God or not. I can then see it isnt providing I don’t think the Bible is wrong or it doesn’t apply in all cases. It’s the same with same-sex unions.