Can a Homosexual be a Christian?

[Ohioprof]

WE are ALL sinners.
Those who have pledged their life to God`s Word have a duty to spread the Word of God.
We are deciples in Christ.
I am not Judging just stating how a sinner can be saved.
There are people in the World who do not know of Christ and are sinning.
The fact is.
One has to ask God to forgive his sins to be born again

Being gay is not a sin. Nor is loving our spouses. Gay people, like all people, certainly sin. But being gay and loving our spouses are not sins.

 

[Ohioprof]

Dear Ohioprof,
Ah but thats your worldview not God's according to the Bible which incidentally says all other sin besides sexual ones are committed outside the body, bt sexual sin polutes the persons body which is a temple of the HolY Spirit .. two different worldviews, one a Christian one based on the Bible and yours not.

The Nt calls not to do that. If you dont believe the Bible you let us tell you about it and dont judge it falsely

I read the Bible. I do not regard the Bible as the word of God. I try to judge the Bible as a historical set of texts, and I also consider the Gnostic Gospels, which add much to our understanding of early Christian writing and thinking.

 

[BAFRIEND]

Can a homosexual be a Christian ?

Well, the definition of a human being = sinner. Only humans can be Christians and only dead humans can be Saints.

If you reject Christian morals then you cannot enter heaven, if you lead a perpetually immoral and objectively sinful lifestyle, all the while claiming to be in a state of grace, then you will not enter the kingdom.

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear Ohioprof,

I read the Bible. I do not regard the Bible as the word of God. I try to judge the Bible as a historical set of texts, and I also consider the Gnostic Gospels, which add much to our understanding of early Christian writing and thinking.

Still a mismatch in what you propose, Christians believe the Bible is the word of God you are suggesting our understanding when clearly it isnt our as we have different understandings. You are not allowed to suggest we as Christians don’t have to believe the Biblical account, it is believing the Biblical account that makes us Christians, you are mocking our Christian beliefs. I have already given you evidence of this definition from the dictionary, the Bible and the forum FAQ's and several others have pointed it out.

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear Ohioprof,

Since loving one's spouse is not a "sinful action," gay people are not sinning by marrying and loving our spouses. And I mean our same-sex spouses.

not accoridng to your worldview but it is to ours according to the Bible as God's word.

 

[MrBoo]

I think that someone 'struggling' with homosexuality can be a Christian, certainly. We all struggle with sin. But someone who does not try to get rid of his/her sin but willingly chooses to sin is in trouble. What the extent of that 'trouble' is I dont know.

One could make the case that we all 'willing choose' sin when we sin, and that would be true, does that mean we lose our salvation each time we sin? No.

I think ity is difficult to judge without being a fair judge of which no man really is, but if I were to go out on a limb I would say that a lot of it depends upon how the individual views the lifestyle.

If a gay person doesn't admit that what he/she is doing is sin, then they are in danger of hell.

If they know what they are doing is sin,and they continue therein the line becomes very thin because we indeed all know that what we are doing is sin when we are doing it.

And finally if they are struggling with it, trying to clean up their lives from it, I can't say that they are non-Christian because all Chrsitians are struggling with sins of one magnitude or another.

 

[Ohioprof]

Can a homosexual be a Christian ?

Well, the definition of a human being = sinner. Only humans can be Christians and only dead humans can be Saints.

If you reject Christian morals then you cannot enter heaven, if you lead a perpetually immoral and objectively sinful lifestyle, all the while claiming to be in a state of grace, then you will not enter the kingdom.

Being gay is not a sin. But I believe everyone is saved, and sin has no connection to salvation. Whether it does or not, being gay is not a sin.

 

[Ohioprof]

I think that someone 'struggling' with homosexuality can be a Christian, certainly. We all struggle with sin. But someone who does not try to get rid of his/her sin but willingly chooses to sin is in trouble. What the extent of that 'trouble' is I dont know.

One could make the case that we all 'willing choose' sin when we sin, and that would be true, does that mean we lose our salvation each time we sin? No.

I think ity is difficult to judge without being a fair judge of which no man really is, but if I were to go out on a limb I would say that a lot of it depends upon how the individual views the lifestyle.

If a gay person doesn't admit that what he/she is doing is sin, then they are in danger of hell.

If they know what they are doing is sin,and they continue therein the line becomes very thin because we indeed all know that what we are doing is sin when we are doing it.

And finally if they are struggling with it, trying to clean up their lives from it, I can't say that they are non-Christian because all Chrsitians are struggling with sins of one magnitude or another.

I do not believe any of this. I am gay, and I am not "struggling" with who I am. I accept how God made me, and that is as a gay person. I am in no danger of going to hell.

Thank you for sharing your beliefs, which are different from mine.

 

[lincolngreen50]

Murder or stealing or bearing false witness (lying) are wrong because they harm people, not because they happen to be named in the Bible.

I do not believe that the Bible is the word of God. I certainly do not regard loving, committed relationships between people of the same sex as an "abomination." And if you really believed what is written in Leviticus on this, then you'd be out there stoning gay people to death, as the Bible calls for. Obviously you aren't, thank the Lord. You pick and choose what you will adhere to in the Bible, just as everyone who follows the Bible does.

There are laws in leviticus such as the sacrifice of animals for the redemtion of sin that are no longer required because Jesus paid the sin debt for all of our sins when he died on the cross.
As for the law of stoning.
Jesus teaches us all that because we are full of sin,how can we condemn anyone else who has sinned.
How can we cast the first stone?
Note that Jesus told the Woman,`Do anyone here condemn you?`and she replied `no Lord`,then jesus replied,`Then neither do I condemn you,Go,and SIn no more
Note the go and Sin no more.
Christians are not here to condemn,We want all people to be saved in Christ,those who do not know Christ. It is a Christians commision to spread the Word of God.

 

[lincolngreen50]

I think that someone 'struggling' with homosexuality can be a Christian, certainly. We all struggle with sin. But someone who does not try to get rid of his/her sin but willingly chooses to sin is in trouble. What the extent of that 'trouble' is I dont know.

One could make the case that we all 'willing choose' sin when we sin, and that would be true, does that mean we lose our salvation each time we sin? No.

I think ity is difficult to judge without being a fair judge of which no man really is, but if I were to go out on a limb I would say that a lot of it depends upon how the individual views the lifestyle.

If a gay person doesn't admit that what he/she is doing is sin, then they are in danger of hell.

If they know what they are doing is sin,and they continue therein the line becomes very thin because we indeed all know that what we are doing is sin when we are doing it.

And finally if they are struggling with it, trying to clean up their lives from it, I can't say that they are non-Christian because all Chrsitians are struggling with sins of one magnitude or another.

Fair answer

 

[Ohioprof]

Dear Ohioprof,
Still a mismatch in what you propose, Christians believe the Bible is the word of God you are suggesting our understanding when clearly it isnt our as we have different understandings. You are not allowed to suggest we as Christians don’t have to believe the Biblical account, it is believing the Biblical account that makes us Christians, you are mocking our Christian beliefs. I have already given you evidence of this definition from the dictionary, the Bible and the forum FAQ's and several others have pointed it out.

I am not mocking anyone's beliefs. I am expressing my beliefs. You are certainly free to disagree with me.

I do not believe that the Bible is the word of God. That does not mean that I am mocking the Bible, only that I don't believe it is the word of God. It is an interesting historical source, in my view, and a source that offers insights into how people in previous times thought about God. But it is not the word of God.

You may believe that to be a Christian, one must believe in the Bible. I don't believe that. For me, to be a Christian means that I follow the teachings of Jesus, to the extent that scholars can discern what those teachings actually were. Not everything attributed to Jesus in the Bible is something he actually said.

We say the same things to each other over and over. And we keep on saying them, because we are each expressing what we believe.

 

[Ohioprof]

Fair answer

But a wrong analysis, as I see things. I am a gay person. There is no reason for me to repent of being gay, because who I am is not a sin. Nor is loving a committed spouse a sin. I don't have a spouse right now, but if I did, loving my spouse would not be a sin.

 

[Ohioprof]

There are laws in leviticus such as the sacrifice of animals for the redemtion of sin that are no longer required because Jesus paid the sin debt for all of our sins when he died on the cross.
As for the law of stoning.
Jesus teaches us all that because we are full of sin,how can we condemn anyone else who has sinned.
How can we cast the first stone?
Note that Jesus told the Woman,`Do anyone here condemn you?`and she replied `no Lord`,then jesus replied,`Then neither do I condemn you,Go,and SIn no more
Note the go and Sin no more.
Christians are not here to condemn,We want all people to be saved in Christ,those who do not know Christ. It is a Christians commision to spread the Word of God.

"Go and sin no more" applies only if one is committing a sin. Being gay is not a sin. Neither is loving one's spouse.

 

[BAFRIEND]

Being gay is not a sin. But I believe everyone is saved, and sin has no connection to salvation. Whether it does or not, being gay is not a sin.

Well it is your personal belief against the theology and holdings of Budhism, Islam, Evangelism, Protestantism, Catholicism to name a few.

 

[Ohioprof]

Well it is your personal belief against the theology and holdings of Budhism, Islam, Evangelism, Protestantism, Catholicism to name a few.

Yes, but there have been changing attitudes within each of those faiths, some more rapid than others. The times they are a changin'. Attitudes toward gay people have been improving steadily, as more and more people come to accept gay people as we are and support equal treatment under the law for gay people. It's amazing to see. I never would have believed, 30 years ago, that we would win the right to marry legally. And we have won it in the state where I grew up.....Massachusetts. It's very uplifting.

 

[BAFRIEND]

Yes, but there have been changing attitudes within each of those faiths, some more rapid than others. The times they are a changin'. Attitudes toward gay people have been improving steadily, as more and more people come to accept gay people as we are and support equal treatment under the law for gay people. It's amazing to see. I never would have believed, 30 years ago, that we would win the right to marry legally. And we have won it in the state where I grew up.....Massachusetts. It's very uplifting.

Well there was a poll in another forum here a couple days ago where 80% agreed that homosexuality is an abomination. It was very uplifting and just goes to show that not everyone is swayed by mass media.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

The power and authority comes from God through Gods Word,I am stating that I believe in Gods Word.
The Word of God teaches us what is sin and the teaching of Jesus Christ teaches us how to live our lives in Christ.
The Word of God teaches us how to live a moral life.
I am stating my belief and am asking those who agree or disagree for their imput.

Well then, here's my input.

You cannot decide who is and who is not a Christian.

 

[BAFRIEND]

Well then, here's my input.

You cannot decide who is and who is not a Christian.

But we do have the power to discern through Holy Scripture those that best fit the discription:

Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders … (1Cor 6:9)

And also:

In revelations chapter 2, Jesus praised the Church of Ephesus for not tolerating wicked men and here we see Paul’s urging:
As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer (1 Tim 1-3)

We can judge others on the basis of using the Word of God. It is called discernment when we judge the actions of others negatively when the Bible itself calls that action a sin.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

But we do have the power to discern through Holy Scripture those that best fit the discription:

Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders … (1Cor 6:9)

And also:

In revelations chapter 2, Jesus praised the Church of Ephesus for not tolerating wicked men and here we see Paul’s urging:
As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer (1 Tim 1-3)

We can judge others on the basis of using the Word of God. It is called discernment when we judge the actions of others negatively when the Bible itself calls that action a sin.

You have no such power or authority.

You lack the discernment skills to qualify who is and who is not a Christian. It is between Christ and the soul in relationship with him.

Once again, claiming to have such authority is to completely miss the message of Christ.

 

[Ohioprof]

Well there was a poll in another forum here a couple days ago where 80% agreed that homosexuality is an abomination. It was very uplifting and just goes to show that not everyone is swayed by mass media.

I do not know what poll you are referring to. The people who post here are not a representative sample of the general population, and the polls here are not scientific. The people who answer these poll questions are a skewed sample. 80% of the general U.S. population would not call "homosexuality" an abomination.

According to Gallup, a majority of Americans say that "homosexuality is an acceptable alternative lifestyle." I dislike the wording of Gallup's question, since "homosexuality" is not a "lifestyle" at all. But the trend over time among the U.S. population in general has been toward accepting gay people and same-sex relationships. That is uplifting.