Calvinist Robots

[MamaZ]

Calvinism presents that there are only GOATS who are converted to SHEEP.

Actually I don't see where this is truth. Explain further if you will.

 

[squint]

Actually I don't see where this is truth. Explain further if you will.

Think about it for a bit. It'll come to ya.

 

[Rick Otto]

Our response determines our eternal destiny.

Rewards, not destiny. Destiny is the Creator's perrogative, the exercise of which He pre-planned.
That's all.

 

[chestertonrules]

agreed.


Its both.


Many are called, few are chosen.


Pelagian.

Biblical:

1 Peter 1
17Since you call on a Father who judges each man's work impartially, live your lives as strangers here in reverent fear.

James 2 24You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone.

Augustine(Not a Pelagian!): Now He has revealed to us, through His Holy Scriptures, that there is in a man a free choice of will. But how He has revealed this I do not recount in human language, but in divine. There is, to begin with, the fact that God's precepts themselves would be of no use to a man unless he had free choice of will, so that by performing them he might obtain the promised rewards.

 

[chestertonrules]

Rewards, not destiny. Destiny is the Creator's perrogative, the exercise of which He pre-planned.
That's all.

Foreknown, not pre-planned.

God wants all of us to choose him.

Our will dictates which of us will go to heaven.

We can choose to accept or reject God's grace.

 

[JacobHall86]

If our will dictates where we go, we are all screwed, because our wills are enslaved to sin.

 

[A New Dawn]

bs

I always had good in me but I rejected it for a long time

(blasphemy of the holy spirit)

How can anyone always have had good in them when the Bible clearly states that NO ONE is righteous, NO ONE understands, NO ONE seeks after God. NO. NOT. ONE!

Romans 3:10-12
10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

 

[chestertonrules]

If our will dictates where we go, we are all screwed, because our wills are enslaved to sin.

Our wills are free thanks to the blood of Jesus.

Do you think he is so weak?

 

[A New Dawn]

Our wills are free thanks to the blood of Jesus.

Do you think he is so weak?

Can you quote me a scripture that says our wills are free due to the blood of Christ?

 

[Rick Otto]

After Christ there is still sin in you.

Following Christ is a process and a journey, not an instantaneous transformation.

Christ draws all men.

Our response determines our eternal destiny.

The sin still in us is resides in our flesh, not our newly reborn spirit.
Christian maturity is the post-regeneration (born again) adventure.
Christ draws all men, instead of just Jews like everyone was used to.

 

[chestertonrules]

Can you quote me a scripture that says our wills are free due to the blood of Christ?

2 Peter 2:20-21 "They were made free from the evil in the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. But if they return to evil things and those things control them, then it is worse for them than it was before. Yes, it would be better for them to have never known the right way than to know it and to turn away from the holy teaching that was given to them."



Therefore just as one man’s trespass led to condemnation for all, so one man’s act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all. Rom. 5:18

 

[chestertonrules]

The sin still in us is resides in our flesh, not our newly reborn spirit.

Are you kidding?

Christian maturity is the post-regeneration (born again) adventure.
Christ draws all men, instead of just Jews like everyone was used to.

ALL MEN.

 

[Rick Otto]

Originally Posted by Rick Otto

Rewards, not destiny. Destiny is the Creator's perrogative, the exercise of which He pre-planned.
That's all.
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Foreknown, not pre-planned.

God wants all of us to choose him.

Our will dictates which of us will go to heaven.

We can choose to accept or reject God's grace.

Foreknown because predestined. He knows everything. He knew everything about everything BEFORE it existed, Chez. Not because He could peek into a future He already destined.

Our will dictates which of us will go to heaven.

Get thee behind me.

 

[chestertonrules]

Originally Posted by Rick Otto

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Foreknown because predestined. He knows everything. He knew everything about everything BEFORE it existed, Chez. Not because He could peek into a future He already destined.

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He knows everything, but he gave us the ability to make choices.

He knows what we will choose, he didn't choose for us.

You will be judged for YOUR choices, as I will be judged for mine.

 

[Rick Otto]

quote=chestertonrules; Our wills are free thanks to the blood of Jesus.

No sir, our spirits are free. Our wills must be disciplined by our spirit to conform to God's will, or it will naturaly conform to the lusts of the flesh.

Do you think he is so weak?

The sprit is willing, but...
think about it. It will come to you.

 

[chestertonrules]

No sir, our spirits are free. Our wills must be disciplined by our spirit to conform to God's will, or it will naturaly conform to the lusts of the flesh.


The sprit is willing, but...
think about it. It will come to you.

You have been warned:

2 Peter 2:20-21 "They were made free from the evil in the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. But if they return to evil things and those things control them, then it is worse for them than it was before. Yes, it would be better for them to have never known the right way than to know it and to turn away from the holy teaching that was given to them."

 

[Rick Otto]

quote=chestertonrules; He knows everything, but he gave us the ability to make choices.

Your overconfidence in your thinking is causing you to get sloppy.
He knows everything AND He gave us the ability to make choices.

He knows what we will choose, he didn't choose for us.

He forknew because He predestined the choice we would make for ourselves.

You will be judged for YOUR choices, as I will be judged for mine.

I'm comfortable with that.
AND we will be saved by God's choice, not our own.

 

[chestertonrules]

Your overconfidence in your thinking is causing you to get sloppy.
He knows everything AND He gave us the ability to make choices.

He forknew because He predestined the choice we would make for ourselves.

Either we made the choice or he did. It can't be both.

If he made the choice, then we are robots.


James 5:19-20 "Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his ways, will have saved a soul from death".

 

[Rick Otto]

You have been warned:

2 Peter 2:20-21 "They were made free from the evil in the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. But if they return to evil things and those things control them, then it is worse for them than it was before. Yes, it would be better for them to have never known the right way than to know it and to turn away from the holy teaching that was given to them."

It amazes me how easily you lose grasp of context & become confused about whom is being spoken.
Observe;
9: The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
10: But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.
11: Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.
12: But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;
13: And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;
14: Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
15: Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;
16: But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet.
17: These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.
18: For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
19: While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
20: For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
21: For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
22: But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
Dogs & sows, not sheep.

 

[chestertonrules]

Either we made the choice or he did. It can't be both.

If he made the choice, then we are robots.


James 5:19-20 "Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his ways, will have saved a soul from death".

John 15
10If you obey my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have obeyed my Father's commands and remain in his love.

John 6:53-54 "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink His blood, you have no life in you; he who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day."

Romans 2:6-7 "For He will render to every man according to his works: to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, He will give eternal life."


Matthew 6:14 "For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father also will forgive you; but if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses."