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Previously, interaction with God was the source of life to Adam; but, from the moment he fell it was only possible that he should recover life by the death of Christ.
That is mentioned in Revelation 2Previously, interaction with God was the source of life to Adam; but, from the moment he fell it was only possible that he should recover life by the death of Christ.
Yes, but then Adam was the origin of all peoples; Abraham the father of some. Even the NT identifies this. So is Abraham not a federal head ?
Anyway, Rom. 5:12 says that sin is the result of death in Greek (as Tzaousios mentioned), so I think there is a translation issue.
We do not have that same relationship with God when we are born, therefore we are dead. Being dead we cannot know God. Christ renews that and makes us alive
It may just be me, I am not the best source, but I will try.I'll try to make my question clearer:
this teaching suggests to me that our spiritual state arises from matter; ie, that material begets the spiritual.
I don't understand how Adam's spiritual state is transmitted through his "matter".
I have always been rathered puzzled by this passage in 2 Corin 12:1.I'll try to make my question clearer:
this teaching suggests to me that our spiritual state arises from matter; ie, that material begets the spiritual.
I don't understand how Adam's spiritual state is transmitted through his "matter".
I think he did not know wether he was there physically or only as a visionI have always been rathered puzzled by this passage in 2 Corin 12:1.
Why would Paul be confused about being outside the body or not? Maybe this isn't for this thread
2 Corinthians 12:1 To be boasting is binding not, being expedient/profitable indeed I shall be coming yet into visions and revealings of Lord
2 I have been aware of a man in Christ before years fourteen years whether in body, not I am aware, whether out-side of the body not I am aware, the God is aware, being caught-away the such one till third heaven.
3 And I have been aware such a man whether in body whether apart/out from the body not I am aware, the God is aware.
I would probably die of a heart attack if that ever happened to meI think he did not know wether he was there physically or only as a vision
Yes, Adam suffered a 'spiritual death' but remained physically alive. How can he transmit through his material existence an spiritual existence.
Also, is this renewal applied to the pre-resurrection righteous (the prophets and other OT friends of God) ?
the Greek (EO ) understanding of the passage is Adam sinned/death entered the world/because of death we sin. So, children are born into a sinful/fallen world (like the Psalmist says) but will not necessarily sin (thus our sin is our responsibility, not Adam's).Without spiritual life given by God that Adam lost, there is spiritual death and thus sin
It may just be me, I am not the best source, but I will try.
I am just not getting the question what are you meaning by the material?
His relationship to God was severed and the garden was closed up. His children did not have that same relationship with God.
Adam as the Federal head was the representative for the human race. His sin was legally charged (imputed) to those he represented. Spiritual death -- spiritual inability is the result.
When the Spirit regenerates and imparts faith the person goes from spiritual death to spiritual life, and his faith results in justification -- he is declared righteous because the righteousness of Christ is imputed to Him.
Prior to the cross the focus of faith was the promised Messiah and the same righteousness of Christ was imputed to them. Remember, the death of Christ was fore-ordained before the foundation of the world.
Steve
According to Reformed theologians, what is the proper way to translate Romans 5:12 from the Greek? What implications does their translation have for their understanding of imputed guilt?
Thank-you.
But I still don't understand how Adam's sin is charged to us, nor the precedent for the term "Federal Head" ...
His responsibility for & the resulting scope of his jurisdictional impact on humanity as father of the race, gave him a federal profile.Thank-you.
But I still don't understand how Adam's sin is charged to us, nor the precedent for the term "Federal Head" ...
His responsibility for & the resulting scope of his jurisdictional impact on humanity as father of the race, gave him a federal profile.
Is that the same Dr. Johnson that was a pastor at a Louisiana State University Chapel?Here is a great article by Dr. S. Lewis Johnson. I think it explains it quite well.
Steve
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