Street Preacher said:
James White is a Pastor in every sense of the word, a trustworthy teacher of God's word...I don't recall the Bible teaching us to disreguard such men.
No don't disregard such men. The comment was really in reply to your wondering if I was copying from a book, which I was not, which you were. I just found that kind of ironic and funny. As advice I would say don't put too much faith in men. They are able to make mistakes. Even John McArthur who I consider one of the greatest Bible teachers of our time has a list of retractions on his website, regarding some doctrinal positions that he's changed over the years as his understanding grew. Humility is a key to Christianity. Do you see that with White? <- rhetorical.
Sorry if I misunderstood your intent when you wrote, 'Let us go all the way back to elementary school english class and examine the verse k.' If I hurt your feelings, I'm sorry that wasn't what I meant to do.
no big deal, forgiven, forgotten.
I agree, so much more of this doctrine can be found in the Bible as a sum, from an understanding of the Bible as a whole, most calminians try to nail it down to one verse as you had asked me to do.
Do you know why that is? It is because the doctrine of grace (calvinism) is not a purely scriptural concept. Whether you'd admit it or not (btw many of your calvinist scholars do admit that). It is a doctrine created by the addition of human logic applied to various scriptures. That is why I asked you the question.. because it is unanswerable. You will never find in scripture the doctrines that you preach. That's not an attack on calvinism, it's simply a fact. In order to support your doctrine you have to use logic on scripture and derive your doctrine from the logic. That was the whole point. No matter what scripture you brought out, it is easily shown to not mean what you think it means when interpreted plainly (with nothing added). Is that important? Not to some, but it is to me.
Brother, that was my hope as well. I believe choosing salvation is false and I have to battle false teaching and doctrine as a matter of faith.
Now we come to the crux of the matter. You here accuse me of teaching false doctrine, and set out as your (divine?) duty to battle with me (us). Have I ever accused you of promoting false doctrine? Have I not said on several occaisions that it's not a big deal (to me) if you believe in Grace or not? Now you have called me and your own pastor heretics (spreaders of false doctrine). So am I your brother? Do you make brothers of heretics? If I'm a heretic I suppose I'm not saved in your eyes.
I'm attacked because of my Biblical beliefs daily, find a Christain that isn't and you'll find a wordly Christian... Take a quick tour back over that last 10 pages or more and you'll see the attacks, I could see them and someone pointed them out to me in a pm not so long ago.
I wasn't attacked the day before yesterday for my beliefs. So am I now a worldy Christian? Actually I haven't been attacked today either. So am I now a carnal Christian? Such generalizations are goofy, as is a victim-complex. Are we as Christians (if I am one) not overcomers? Are attacks on us not actually attacks on Christ? Heck perserverance is a calvinist doctrine, I thought for sure you'd have that one. It's not easy when people disagree with us but that doesn't mean that they are attacking you. Your understanding, or your interpretations mabey but it's surely not an attack on you. Even an attack on the Gospel that you preach isn't an attack on you, it is an attack on Christ.
Like I wrote, I'm not the only one who can see the hostle attacks over this doctrine in this thread....it's silly to think that all are coming from my side of the fence.
You're becoming paranoid. Any argument is two-sided. I see a lot of disagreement here but not much in the way of all out attacks, from either side. Regardless, if you were attacked what does Jesus say to do?
Peace to you as well BT, God bless.
SP
PS: At least when I visit a Reformed Baptist Church they respect (and not attack) by dispensational outlook, as long as Grace is understood I'm welcomed as a brother.
So if you went to a Reformed Baptist Church and didn't have an understanding of Grace, then what? Have you been attacked in your church? Are you going to tell me and the rest of the faceless people in this forum that your pastor has treated you wrong? SP you are gathering a lot of head knowledge but there is much more to being a Christian, and ironically you have much to learn about grace. Examine your fruits. I'll pray for you more.
