Calvinism vs arminism

[th1bill]

why don't you look at a dictionary if you do not understand the English language.

free will noun
: the ability to choose how to act

: the ability to make choices that are not controlled by fate or God

Full Definition of FREE WILL

1
: voluntary choice or decision <I do this of my own free will>
2
: freedom of humans to make choices that are not determined by prior causes or by divine intervention
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Examples of FREE WILL

He argues that all humans have free will.
<all of the workers at the homeless shelter are unpaid and are there of their own free will>
First Known Use of FREE WILL

13th century

Hurrah!

 

[th1bill]

That's not a rebuttal.

Not meant to rebut, I am not ever a winner, I serve!

 

[Hammster]

Not meant to rebut, I am not ever a winner, I serve!

Okay. Then you made a statement without showing the relevance to the scripture.

 

[Bluelion]

Do you ever act contrary to your nature? Do you ever make a decision to do something that you don't want to do? Think carefully before you respond. It's not as simple aaa you think.

Look we are going by the definition of free will as put for in the English language i suggest you read the definition again.

It is a choice. one can choice to do something they don't like it still is a choice free will. Personally I believe we have but one choice to make to accept God or reject him, If we accept him we have a one way ticket to Heaven, from then on it is God working on us changing us, but it does not take away all this was done so man could choose, for free will.

I have two nature a spiritual and a sinful nature, I love one and hate the other. As Jesus said man can not have two masters he will love one and hate the other or serve one and not the other. This is not a duelist nature that is seen in the yin yang and those Luke warm. Taoist have are duelist.

Now has that given you enough to attack? because seems to me others are trying to draw me out so they can attack where I stand. I don't think some people are open to changing their mind, So that said there is no need to go further i will bow out.

 

[th1bill]

Look we are going by the definition of free will as put for in the English language i suggest you read the definition again.

It is a choice. one can choice to do something they don't like it still is a choice free will. Personally I believe we have but one choice to make to accept God or reject him, If we accept him we have a one way ticket to Heaven, from then on it is God working on us changing us, but it does not take away all this was done so man could choose, for free will.

I have two nature a spiritual and a sinful nature, I love one and hate the other. As Jesus said man can not have two masters he will love one and hate the other or serve one and not the other. This is not a duelist nature that is seen in the yin yang and those Luke warm. Taoist have are duelist.

Now has that given you enough to attack? because seems to me others are trying to draw me out so they can attack where I stand. I don't think some people are open to changing their mind, So that said there is no need to go further i will bow out.

God will continue to bless B.L. regardless of all else or others, brother.

 

[Hammster]

Look we are going by the definition of free will as put for in the English language i suggest you read the definition again.

It is a choice. one can choice to do something they don't like it still is a choice free will. Personally I believe we have but one choice to make to accept God or reject him, If we accept him we have a one way ticket to Heaven, from then on it is God working on us changing us, but it does not take away all this was done so man could choose, for free will.

I have two nature a spiritual and a sinful nature, I love one and hate the other. As Jesus said man can not have two masters he will love one and hate the other or serve one and not the other. This is not a duelist nature that is seen in the yin yang and those Luke warm. Taoist have are duelist.

Now has that given you enough to attack? because seems to me others are trying to draw me out so they can attack where I stand. I don't think some people are open to changing their mind, So that said there is no need to go further i will bow out.

Nobody is attacking. However, I do ask that if you quote me, please post something relative to what I posted, or answer the question I pose. Your post really had nothing to do with mine.

 

[Bluelion]

Nice asserton he was chossen, which is not equal with drawn.

Really you think it is clear..... Can you chose that wich you are unable to do?

if you can not, then how free are you?

is this your own theology. Judas was drawn but not chosen, as God said many are called but few are chosen. The call is drawing to God.

I am not unable but unwilling, you are wanting me to give you something to attack. I don't believe you have an open mind and willing to change your position.

Let go a step further, Jesus said no one comes to me unless the Father draws them to me. Did judas come to Jesus? Yes. Did he hear the word and work miracles with the power God gave him, yes. Did he then reject God? Yes. He is the one spoke of when it says those who taste the fruits of Heaven and reject them can never be brought back Heb 6 I believe.

 

[Bluelion]

Nobody is attacking. However, I do ask that if you quote me, please post something relative to what I posted, or answer the question I pose. Your post really had nothing to do with mine.

No I answered your question just not in the way you like. I took that as a rhetorical question because clearly everyone has chosen to do something they do not like.

and no nobody is attacking because I have not given anything of my self in which to attack, but the digging is still there.

 

[Bluelion]

God will continue to bless B.L. regardless of all else or others, brother.

why thanks bill, He blesses us every day, just today a someone gave us bags and bags of food. We told them we had plenty of food we shop at a wholesale store and by in bulk, they said well give away what you don't eat

I am glad we have found a common ground between us let us not forget this common ground.

Peace and Love Brother

blu

 

[Hammster]

No I answered your question just not in the way you like. I took that as a rhetorical question because clearly everyone has chosen to do something they do not like.

and no nobody is attacking because I have not given anything of my self in which to attack, but the digging is still there.

Can you give an example of doing something that you didn't want to do?

 

[Bluelion]

Can you give an example of doing something that you didn't want to do?

could give a few, any time i sin for one, another I have been helping out a neighbor for months now. I really don't want to help anymore, but he ask and God said to give to those who ask, so for God I do.

 

[Hammster]

could give a few, any time i sin for one, another I have been helping out a neighbor for months now. I really don't want to help anymore, but he ask and God said to give to those who ask, so for God I do.

So you are really actually doing what you most want to at that moment, which is to please God.

 

[Bluelion]

So you are really actually doing what you most want to at that moment, which is to please God.

In this case yes, it is more important for me to please God and I see i am able, but that is not always the case, sometimes i really do not want to do something though I know God would want me to, but if i did i would resent God because my heart is not ready. I have learned never force anything God will do the work I just have to be willing. That is my part to be willing. i chose to let God shape me. I chose that the moment I asked Him to claim me as His own and pay my debt for me. I had a choice I made it long ago.

Many people cry i have free will or I can reject God, not so if you are saved, but they could have rejected God at first, but if you choose God, there is no going back.

I believe we can find some common ground in OSAS or eternal security.

 

[Hammster]

In this case yes, it is more important for me to please God and I see i am able, but that is not always the case, sometimes i really do not want to do something though I know God would want me to, but if i did i would resent God because my heart is not ready. I have learned never force anything God will do the work I just have to be willing. That is my part to be willing. i chose to let God shape me. I chose that the moment I asked Him to claim me as His own and pay my debt for me. I had a choice I made it long ago.

Many people cry i have free will or I can reject God, not so if you are saved, but they could have rejected God at first, but if you choose God, there is no going back.

I believe we can find some common ground in OSAS or eternal security.

Even when you sin, you are still doing what you want to do in that particular moment. That's because of the flesh.

So then you have to ask yourself why would someone who is not saved, who is not born again, who is an enemy if God and at enmity with Him, all of the sudden just decide to start loving Him? You can't will yourself to believe something you think is false, especially something like the gospel. So what would have to happen to change a person so they would truly believe the gospel?

 

[Bluelion]

Even when you sin, you are still doing what you want to do in that particular moment. That's because of the flesh.

So then you have to ask yourself why would someone who is not saved, who is not born again, who is an enemy if God and at enmity with Him, all of the sudden just decide to start loving Him? You can't will yourself to believe something you think is false, especially something like the gospel. So what would have to happen to change a person so they would truly believe the gospel?

does not change that a person has free will after hearing the truth to reject it.

 

[Bluelion]

Folks like this do not understand how I can disagree with you at one point and still see you as my brother and you are dealing with such here. I am a stye in Hamster's eye because he has refused to deal with the circumstance of my salvation. He also denies that OSAS is a God stated truth but if it is not, the Church is in a world of trouble.

May God bless the unbelievers with His wisdom.

I think all Calvinist believe in OSAS.

 

[Hammster]

does not change that a person has free will after hearing the truth to reject it.

Why should they believe it if they think it's false?

 

[Hammster]

I think all Calvinist believe in OSAS.

We generally don't like the term, but yes.

 

[Bluelion]

Why should they believe it if they think it's false?

whether you believe it or not does not change it is a fact. just like in judas case who heard the word saw it was good and then rejected God. Really if a person can not reject God after hearing the word why all the warnings in the Bible about rejecting God?

 

[Hammster]

whether you believe it or not does not change it is a fact. just like in judas case who heard the word saw it was good and then rejected God. Really if a person can not reject God after hearing the word why all the warnings in the Bible about rejecting God?

You're missing my point. Why would someone believe something they think is false? The warnings do them no good. They don't believe them.