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Are you saying that your inaction could condemn someone to hell who was otherwise one of the elect?
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Are you saying that your inaction could condemn someone to hell who was otherwise one of the elect?
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It means that I didn't do anything to be saved. God did it all, even making sure I heard the gospel.
However, in a similar way He uses me to spread the gospel to other so that He can use that message to call other elect.
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I can understand you not agreeing with me, so I am not sure if you are trying to make a point, or if you really don't understand what I am saying.
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You claim that your actions don't impact your own salvation.
I find that amazing and extremely unbiblical.
You then make the strange point that your actions could impact the salvation of another.
SO:
Do your actions in any way change who is among God's "elect".
I believe your answer would be no.
SO:
My point stands.
You believe that nothing you do or anyone else does will change who goes to heaven and hell.
That is my understanding based on your answers.
If this is not correct, please clarify.
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My actions don't change who is the elect. I think maybe you are confusing salvation with sanctification.
But just because my actions don't change who goes to heaven or hell, doesn't mean that they have no use. God is not operating in a vacuum. The ways/means argument. Again. We have no power to change a heart, either ours or someone else's. But we do need to be obedient to proclaim the gospel. And if I don't out of disobedience, then God has someone who will and I will be judged accordingly. (see 1 Corinthians 3:10-15)
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It means that you have no real motivation for evangelizing.
That's why you find Catholics in every poor, desolate hell hole around the world spreading the gospel of Jesus and you rarely find Calvinists even speaking to their neighbors about Jesus.
Based on your theology, why should you even bother?
It won't impact your salvation or theirs, right?
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untrue , assumptions cost nothing , you should be a Calvinist for a Month before this type of post .
i always think everyone should be that person ; fat , black , homosexual , poor etc for a Month before judging.
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Funny that I have never had a Catholic witness to me. I guess I had better move to a poor desolate hell hole. And that whole Evangelism Explosion must have been some sort of made up stuff.
Let me try asking this again and maybe I can get an answer this time.
God is omniscient and knows all things including who will be saved and who won't (from either point of view). Whether He looks down the corridor of time and sees who will accept Him, or whether He chooses for Himself a people to believe. Can we agree on that? Good.
So in God's mind, those who will accept Him is a done deal and nothing can change that. So why witness? If God has seen who will accept Him, and since He is omniscient nothing can change that, why should you witness?
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That is a good point. Calvinism kills evangelism. Why try to win souls for Christ if every thing has been predetermined? Jesus commanded the apostles to go into all the world a preach the Gospel to every creature.
Calvinism says no need to do that, all has been predetermined. You are either in or you are out.
Calvinism makes God unjust and unrighteous. How can a loving God condemn multitudes to hell without giving them a chance to repent and believe the Gospel. He cant. If you think that he can then you really don't have faith in him.
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How do you go about leading someone to Christ? Oh, I forgot! No one is led to Christ by another. You tell them they are either in or they are out.
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I was wondering if you might go back and actually read the post before responding?
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C'mon, now. You have to know that, in light of the discussion, that wasn't the question. So lets try again, and I will try to make it simpler.
Why should YOU witness if God, who is omniscient, knows who will accept Him and who won't. Because He is omniscient this cannot change. In God's view, it is set, or else He isn't omniscient. So why should YOU (Robert and Chester) witness?
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