Calvinism and its Secret Universalism

[returntosender]

God knows who will reject him. They doom themselves by their choices.

 

[Hammster]

God knows who will reject him. They doom themselves by their choices.

Are you saying that God is a respecter of persons?

 

[returntosender]

I am saying that he loves all his creation. It grieves him when they reject him but out of love for them he gives them their choice which is hell. I will never believe he hates anything or anyone.

 

[Hammster]

I am saying that he loves all his creation. It grieves him when they reject him but out of love for them he gives them their choice which is hell. I will never believe he hates anything or anyone.

How is eternal torment showing love?

 

[returntosender]

Eternal torment is your choice not his.

 

[John Mullally]

How is eternal torment showing love?

Fortunately God provides a way out for us.

Acts 2:36 “Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.” 37 Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Men and brethren, what shall we do?” 38 Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.” 40 And with many other words he testified and exhorted them, saying, “Be saved from this perverse generation.” 41 Then those who gladly received his word were baptized; and that day about three thousand souls were added to them.

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[Hammster]

Eternal torment is your choice not his.

That would make Him subservient to us.

 

[Hammster]

Fortunately God provides a way out for us.

Acts 2:36 “Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.” 37 Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Men and brethren, what shall we do?” 38 Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.” 40 And with many other words he testified and exhorted them, saying, “Be saved from this perverse generation.” 41 Then those who gladly received his word were baptized; and that day about three thousand souls were added to them.

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That certainly didn’t answer the question.

 

[returntosender]

That would make Him subservient to us.

Don't you want to change that "any" to "and"?

 

[Hammster]

Don't you want to change that "any" to "and"?

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[returntosender]

Willy any?

 

[Hammster]

Willy any?

I have no idea what point you are making.

 

[returntosender]

I have no idea what point you are making.

What's under your name?

 

[John Mullally]

That would make Him subservient to us.

Paul indicates that it is up to you - otherwise, there would be no need for him to write a warning to believers.

Romans 11:19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.” 20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. 22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. 23 And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.​

 

[Hammster]

Paul indicates that it is up to you - otherwise, there would be no need for him to write a warning to believers.

Romans 11:19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.” 20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. 22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. 23 And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.​

That’s in reference to to church at Rome.

 

[Hammster]

What's under your name?

Gotcha. Yeah, I should fix that.

 

[returntosender]

Ty, it was driving me crazy.

 

[returntosender]

My special emotions don't work. How can I fix them?

 

[returntosender]

How is eternal torment showing love?

There are only two choices. That would be a good topic. What would you choose to replace hell? Or a third choice? We are here to serve God. I can't think why anyone should be let off easy for refusing God. So let's hear an alternative.

 

[Hammster]

There are only two choices. That would be a good topic. What would you choose to replace hell? Or a third choice? We are here to serve God. I can't think why anyone should be let off easy for refusing God. So let's hear an alternative.

We go to hell as a punishment for sin. It’s not an alternative for heaven.