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You need to consider the big picture and strain out gnats.A unique event for a unique role
So... is the Calvinist position that God sends an aborted baby that does not have Christian relatives to hell. And an aborted baby that does have Christian relatives may or may not be one of the Elect?
If a baby is God's elect, won't they go to heaven even if they die at conception?Yes, yes... (slowly backing away)
If a baby is God's elect, won't they go to heaven even if they die at conception?
I'm not clear on your position. State it briefly in as few words as you can.I don't think I can make my position on this any clearer so best to quit this conversation. Thanks for the chat.
If a baby is God's elect, won't they go to heaven even if they die at conception?
God condemned all in Adam. Only a few randomly chosen had their sins paid for by Christ and are saved. Age doesn't matter.Read your Bible. Define elect. Does God elect without giving that person protection? Did God send Jesus to save every person, every sinner, or only some people in the world?
God condemned all in Adam. Only a few randomly chosen had their sins paid for by Christ and are saved. Age doesn't matter.
God saves a multitude in Christ,more than the sand of the sea,or the stars of heaven.God condemned all in Adam. Only a few randomly chosen had their sins paid for by Christ and are saved. Age doesn't matter.
Are you saying God is a respecter of persons?God saves a multitude in Christ,more than the sand of the sea,or the stars of heaven.
A multitude chosen by direct purposeful election.
Nothing random about it,not a few but a multitude.
Limited atonement is based on God's love and mercy,not what He hates.As I was thinking on total depravity and the west-borrow baptist church(calvinist extremists), I had this thought about calvinism taken to its logical end. What are your thoughts on this?
A calvinist would say that God hates sin and the sinner(hence Limited Atonement):
“The LORD tests the righteous, But the wicked and the one who loves violence His soul hates.”
Psalms 11:5 NKJV
And we glorify God in His holiness and judgement of sin. So lets take this to its logical extreme:
“Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me.”
Psalms 51:5 NKJV
So how does a calvinist take issue with abortion? If an infant has sinful nature at edconception, and dies in the womb, shouldnt the calvinist glorify God for punishing the sinner? Shouldnt calvinists glorify abortion because God is judging sinners?
I am saying I believe God as in Gen 13:16,Gen 15:5Are you saying God is a respecter of persons?
“Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them, Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.” Luke 13:23–24 (KJV 1900)
Whoever you are with?I believe in choice when it comes to abortions. Abortion is a no no for me and whomever I am with, but I allow for choice. But, the thing where the longer you live the more wrath you store up stuff, yeah, no!
That makes repentance of no effect and therefore Jesus died for nothing!
Murder is sin at all times. Not a choice,it is a sinAs I said, I allow for choice. They can choose to have an abortion or not. It is up to them to decide. I will not make that choice for them.
Many hate God and His word.Your question is ridiculous and serves no other purpose but to insinuate that Calvinists are so evil that they ought to love abortion.
Reformed Christians believe we are called to live holy lives. There is nothing holy about the unlawful taking of life, as evidenced by the 10 commandments. I know of no Calvinist who rejoices over abortion or who would ever cite these passages and say they justify abortion. Any claim that reformed people believe or should believe this is nothing short of slander.
All men are commanded to repent and believe the gospel. It is not an option.Did I say that? God gives us a choice, to follow him or not. Who am I to force something on someone when not even God does that?
No...God has elected a multitude to be saved,before the world was.IMO crazy thinking. Babies are neither elect or not elect. Elect are those people that get born again by the Holy Spirit (whether it's by predestination or not).
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