Bye Bye Ape Man!!!

[us38]

The only circle here is the one the argument made as it sailed past your head.

This is the second topic in which the ontological argument popped up, the second in which people said it's circular, and the second where your only reply was "It's not". Why do you refuse to explain how it isn't circular? People have given their reasons for why it is, and you have yet to refute them.

 

[DMagoh]

I am a biologist, and a qualified expert in the field. Does the fact I agree with the original quote in anyway change your mind? If not, what was the point of posting what you did, beyond evading the question, producing a smokescreen, our just outright abuse?

I suspect the latter, and Ghandi said it best. I like your Christ, but not you Christians. You are so unlike him.

You do not like Christ. You deny He even exists.

As far as your judgemental attitude, you think Jesus never showed anger? Yes He did. You think Jesus never criticized anyone? Yes He did. You think Jesus never corrected anyone? Yes He did.

 

[Brennin]

This is the second topic in which the ontological argument popped up, the second in which people said it's circular, and the second where your only reply was "It's not". Why do you refuse to explain how it isn't circular? People have given their reasons for why it is, and you have yet to refute them.

I am not moved to waste my time on those who have not bothered to try to understand the argument.

 

[Logic_Fault]

Why do you refuse to explain how it isn't circular?

Probably because it wont fit into a single sentence. He's not exactly verbose from what I can see.

 

[Brennin]

He's not exactly verbose from what I can see.

That's true!

 

[TheOutsider]

Even though I disagree with you, I consider your post a marked improvement over the others.

Thanks. I tried to put some thought into it. Care to tell me which part you disagree with?

 

[DMagoh]

I am a biologist, and a qualified expert in the field. Does the fact I agree with the original quote in anyway change your mind?

Curious. He's only 15, but he still manages to display a better grasp of science than you do. His answer was correct.

For someone with such a tenuous grasp on evolution as you seem to have you shouldn't be taking such a condescending tone to others in regards to their knowledge of biology.

At 15 he's probably had more exposure to evolution than you have had to judge by your posts.

Rectify your lack of knowledge regarding evolution, as more then a few of us have suggested you do, and you wont have that problem any longer.

Yeah, it's important that you support and protect your up-and-coming atheists. Coddle him, pamper him, lick his wounds. Show him the correct way to be arrogant and call people ignorant if they dont accept your implausible idea that the universe "popped" out of nothingness.

 

[monkeypsycho62]

Yeah, it's important that you support and protect your up-and-coming atheists. Coddle him, pamper him, lick his wounds. Show him the correct way to be arrogant and call people ignorant if they dont accept your implausible idea that the universe "popped" out of nothingness.

So an omnipotent being "popping" into existence and THEN creating the universe is more plausible? Please explain your reasoning.

And please try not to use any arguments listed here: http://www.daltonator.net/durandal/creationism/fallacies.shtml

 

[The Bellman]

#1, all I get is antagonistic posts from y'all, declaring my ignorance and idiocy, so dont be surprised or judgemental when you get it in return;

Initial posts to you weren't in the least antagonistic. They correctly identified your ignorance of the subject. Nobody has called you an idiot.

#2, if he is old enough to be arrogant and talk down to me, he should be old enough to handle what he gets back.

He hasn't shown any arrogance, and he hasn't talked down to you. No doubt he is old enough to handle what he gets back; I merely noted the antagonistic nature of your post.

Yeah, it's important that you support and protect your up-and-coming atheists. Coddle him, pamper him, lick his wounds. Show him the correct way to be arrogant and call people ignorant if they dont accept your implausible idea that the universe "popped" out of nothingness.

Nobody is protecting or supporting him; people merely noted that he was correct. You were not. He doesn't need to be coddled or pampered, and you've certainly not inflicted any wounds on him which need to be tended to. You are ignorant of science; you have demonstrated that abundantly. If you don't like that to be identified, there's an easy fix - go learn something about the subject.

 

[monkeypsycho62]

Who is "us"?... are you a biologist or physicist? At 15, my guess is you may have completed one course of high school biology. Have you disected a fetal pig yet? Great. Have you looked at cool stuff under a microscope? Cool. Have you watched a tadpole turn into a frog? Neat. Yeah, I guess that qualifies you as an expert. Thanks for proving that the arrogance of atheists develops at a young age.

Great response; insult him instead of replying to his post.

 

[The Bellman]

Nm

 

[monkeypsycho62]

Kinda sad how I've seen almost every "argument" in that list used by creationists here.

 

[us38]

I am not moved to waste my time on those who have not bothered to try to understand the argument.

Me: why won't you explain why we're wrong?
You: Because you're wrong.

Thanks, but I already knew your opinion.

 

[TheOutsider]

Me: why won't you explain why we're wrong?
You: Because you're wrong.

Thanks, but I already knew your opinion.

Hello, fellow Discordian.

If you'll notice, he decided not to waste his time answering me either even though I do understand the argument. I'm not sure if he can actually defend it.

 

[monkeypsycho62]

Hello, fellow Discordian.

If you'll notice, he decided not to waste his time answering me either even though I do understand the argument. I'm not sure if he can actually defend it.

And I like how is response was just an assumption.

 

[DMagoh]

Great response; insult him instead of replying to his post.

I learned it from atheists who simply tell me I'm ignorant instead of answering my question.

 

[The Bellman]

I learned it from atheists who simply tell me I'm ignorant instead of answering my question.

That's just dishonest. All of your questions have been answered. Now you have to add lies to insults? Truly, by your fruits are you known.

 

[monkeypsycho62]

I learned it from atheists who simply tell me I'm ignorant instead of answering my question.

Can you list a question of yours that has not been answered yet? I'm sure everyone will be glad to answer it.

 

[Brennin]

The main problems that I have with the ontological argument are:

1) It assumes that God is necessary

And rightfully so. I think the concept of a contingent God is prima facie absurd.

2) It assumes that just because we, as humans, can imagine something then it automatically exists.

I dispute this. No ontological argument I am familiar with requires the existence of unicorns or perfect islands.

3) Even it the argument was correction, there is no way of knowing which God is the correct one.

It serves as a foundation.

 

[consol]

I learned it from atheists who simply tell me I'm ignorant instead of answering my question.

Well you work hard at giving the impression that you are ignorant,
most people here agree that the very idea of a God is ridiculous,
so for you to continue to argue that there is a God watching over
you is just asking to be called a fool.

The story of a God is just that, a story, it is not to be taken seriously,
try and imagine what you sound like to someone who thinks about things,
someone in the real world where things exist or don't exist,
fantasy land is for people with problems, people trying to escape from reality,
you sound like one of those people, you have accepted a story without really thinking about it,
I say that because that is the impression you give,
try saying the things you believe out load and see how ridiculous they sound,
these are not the thoughts and beliefs of a person with their feet on the ground are they?
they are the thoughts and beliefs of someone who lives in a dream world,
a world they would like to live in, and not the real world where they actually live.

There is no after life, no matter how much you hope there is,
we all wish things were better for us and it would be nice to think that this life is not all there is,
but unfortunately we live in the real world and we know things are not like that.

Like the other animals, we are born, we live and we die,
accept it and get on with your life, life is too short to spend it dreaming and wishing.

Just because we can imagine a thing, does not make it real, I imagine I'm good looking.