MercyBurst
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No, they don't care about sin period, except when it is done against them.
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Has anyone in support of the committing of homosexual acts yet to produce any uniform agreement of Scripture about God affirming the committing of homosexual acts?
I hope you are equally as loud and fervent in saying that people who divorce and remarry are also living in sin. After all, fair's fair.
There's also the possibility that they could have been leather daddies with a penchant for drinking the urine of sheep.Now I say that to make the point that you should let God's Word speak for itself. Deal with what the text says, and not what we assume to possibly be able to read into it.
Unless such a physical love is exampled elsewhere, why open the door for confusion?
How many times does God show that His desired way is the union of man and wife?
How many times does He have to show that fornication is sinful?
How many times does He have to show that marriage is a covenant between Him a husband and a wife?
If you're going to read any such assumption into the story of David and Jonathon, you have to ignore what He says about the aforementioned.
See now you're just acting silly. If it is an ACT, why would I say anything other than committing? If it's an act, it's being committed. If you're not committing sexual acts with the same sex, then there is no act to call sinful. But once you commit the act...It's not rocket science.
Again, you're continuing with this silliness and have become fixated on the word committing. What do you want me to say? Doing homosexual acts?
I'm not defending me, and that's where you as a Christian keep getting confused.
You seem to think this is a tete-a-tete prove my point before you can prove yours discussion.
And that's what you continue to do. That's what you have done in the number of threads where you've attempted to prove this LIE. Yes I said LIE because that's exactly what it is.
Yeah you're confused. And God will hold you responsible for trying to pull others into your confusion.
You are more dangerous than all the nonbelievers combined.
And now you're just speaking with the devil's tongue because you want to be right. You know very well what ACTS are being referred to so you can stop with the childish word play.
But WHY the hang up about sex acts? You talk about them all day long on this board. Hundreds of posts about gay sex acts. Please do not claim you don't have an issue...you do.I don't have any issues on homosexuality. I'm in agreement with God's Word on the committing of sexual acts with smeone of the same sex being sinful.
I don't need to know. But if you are having sex with your partner of 23 years, it's just as sinful as the teenage boy who has sex with his girlfriend.
God's Word again disagrees with ya.
Your posts make that abundantly clearThere you go again with that red herring. Who said anything about the Bible supporting prejudice, hate, and discrimination?
So the answer is no you have no reason for saying this other than the rejection of prejudice by GwynGwyn's issue ain't the rejection of prejudice. It's the rejection of God's Word. She is a false teacher and needs to be recognized as such.
What I mean is that nowhere in the Bible does it say that people who were born homosexual are an abomination and they should be killed. What Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 say is that the specific act of "man-lying" is toevah.
It is unclear, from those verses alone, whether it is toevah because the act referred to is associated with idolatry (that is, it is condemning a specific pagan practice) or if it is toevah because the participants are ritually defiled. As we continue reading Leviticus 20, however, we see that the laws in that chapter are written to warn the children of Israel to separate themselves from the idolatrous practices of the Canaanites.
[bible]Leviticus 20:22-23[/bible]
This suggests that "man-lying" was forbidden because that act was tainted by idolatry.
But it also continues with a reminder of the dietary laws, separating the clean animals from the unclean animals, which suggests that the acts forbidden in Leviticus 20 are likewise part of the holiness code.
[bible]Leviticus 20:24-26[/bible]
You were the one objecting to the very idea that God made CT the way he is and accepts him juts fine the way he is.I did not argue that God did not create CT a homosexual.
God may have his reasons for wanting CT genes out of the gene pool.
I would be unable to do so if people did not use arguments also used by racists. I would be unable to do so if prejudice presented was not indistinguishable from racism.All you do is call everyone prejudice and racists. That is boring. Everytime you generically use another's line of argument in falls through. Get educated. Try to come up withsomething more than three sentances long that is original.
Your buddy, BAFRIEND aka LANTERN.
Sadly Gods word doesnt say anything of the sort.I don't have any issues on homosexuality. I'm in agreement with God's Word on the committing of sexual acts with smeone of the same sex being sinful.
You did not read my post. You simply skimmed for buzzwords. Otherwise you would not claim that I was proposing the angel-lust theory.
I specifically stated that because that was the usual "debunking" of Jude, I had trouble accepting the position that God was leading me toward. In order to believe that explanation you have to deny that the Scriptures were devinely inspired.
Genesis 19, like Judges 19, 2 Samuel 10, and 1 Chronicles 19 speaks to a political act of terrorism and intimidation. Yes, there is a sexual aspect to gang-rape, but it is not driven by lust, but by other base insticts. How can you not know the difference between sex and rape?
And, as I explained, Jude does not say that the Sodomites "lusted after strange flesh," but rather that they followed after another, fleshly, religion. Earlier in the verse, he does mention their giving themselves over into fornication, but he does not indicate that that fornication was different in any way from other fornication. In particular, he does not mention same-sex fornication.
I think of late at least I finally get why some anti-gay people feel the way you do here. I can actually appreciate that according to your interrpretation of the Bible it is us pro-gay people that are twisting the word of God.
I'm not going to debate this point with you as I'm sure it would be fairly pointless, but in all seriousness Im curious as to if you can at least see the other sides perspective. In the Bible I never see Jesus grabbing gay people by the collar screaming "ITS A SIN" at them repeatedly, in fact I don't believe he even meets a gay person in scripture. Jesus dosen't do this, so why do so many fundamentalist Christians who claim to be following his word?
Can you at least see the suffering lots of people who are gay go through because of viewpoints similar to yours. I mean low self-esteem, self-harm, suicide etc.. that does occour in young gay people is often caused by the very fact so many people (at least over in the US, I rarely hear anything over in the UK now) campaign against them? Or is the fact you believe your saving souls cancel out all the suffering of others?
Im not trying to bait here, I genuinally would like to have some answers to these questions.
Gwyn's issue ain't the rejection of prejudice. It's the rejection of God's Word. She is a false teacher and needs to be recognized as such.
There is no genetic proof that anyone is born homosexual.
Are you approving of the idea of mass murder?And if people are born homosexual today people would have been born homosexual back then, and if they were open about it they probably would have been killed.
That homosexuality is a choice…this is the assumption that has nothing to support it.You are operating on an assumption that there is no proof for.
God would not create someone homosexual and then call homosexuality wrong.
Nowhere does God actually do that.God does call homosexuality wrong.
Neither does it claim that it is.It never says "in the instance that you are born this way, it's ok." There isn't anything in the bible that says same-sex anything isn't sinful.
No, I believe you were actually attempting to call God a liar. Please refer to your earlier post for evidence.
I am not a liar, and neither is God. He created me gay, and blessed me with a wonderful partner.
What is there to lie about?
No it says male on male rape is morally wrong, not homosexuality.
It is interesting to note however that the bible very few problems with women being raped But that is a different topic.
Actually a great deal of evidence showing sexual oriention is inborn does exist and such evidence is easy to find so long as one is willing to honestly look
What does not exist is evidence that homosexuality is a choice.
And Lot the only moral man in Sodom remember responds by offering up his children to be raped by every man (all of which were supposedly homosexual) in the city. If you want to use the myth of Sodom to condemn for homosexuals, you must realize that at the same time you are justifying child sexual abuse as a moral practiceIn order to believe your explanation you have to deny that scriptures were divinely inspired? How do you get, from Jude 7, that it's talking about following a fleshly religion? I know you already explained it, but it doesn't make any sense. The men of the city wanted to have homosexual sex with Lot's guests. Explain to me also, how you came to the conclusion that it was a 'political act of terrorism.' I know the difference between sex and rape, but what Sodom and Gomorrah did was clearly because they were wicked, not because it made them feel in control or powerful. Their lust is included in what is wicked, by the way. Sexual immorality can include same-sex sex and heterosexual sexual immorality.
Prove God didnt create CT homosexual
Like the desire to justify personal prejudice?
I'm reminded (as I often am of a quote) it's a little long:
that's from the real live preacher, and if you want to be really blessed check out the rest of his articles here: http://www.reallivepreacher.com/Originally Posted by By Gordon Atkinson
A man once told me that he believes every word in the Bible. I was struck dumb with amazement.
He
Believes
Every word in the Bible
There is no part of that statement that makes sense to me. He might as well have described the secret contents of every woman's heart or the sharp edge of every child's pain. He could have been explaining a unified theory of everything or summarizing the federal budget on his thumbnail for all I knew.
He? Him? One person? One man makes this claim? One man has seen these words, felt them, breathed them, fought with them, cried over them, been broken by them? One man knows their story and can piece together their ancient context? One man understands the grace behind the surprising progression of these words across the Testaments?
Believes? Who can understand the meaning behind that word? Is there a vocabulary that can communicate the soul-jarring collision that occurs when emotion meets intellect and intuition struggles against wisdom? Is there a language that can describe this leap of faith, this heroic standing in the gap, this tragic and joyful commitment of belief that is, in the end, the only thing we have to offer the Creator?
Every word in the Bible? Every word in each of these 66 books? I'm rightly impressed when I hear that someone has read the Bible, much less claimed to know it and believe it.
How does he hold all of that information in his mind at any given moment? Did his attention never waver, not even when he read the genealogies? Did his eyes not grow heavy when Job and his accusing friends droned on and on? Is he a man, or some sort of reading, knowing, and believing machine?
He believes every word in the Bible. Surely this is some sort of marketing slogan meant only to advertise his self-image and his perceived place in the world.
"Stand aside, for I am a man who believes every word in the Bible!"
Once I too dreamed that I might know every word of the Bible. I hoped to pilot my ship across the surface of its troubled waters and know every bend and horseshoe bay. I wanted to drop a sounding line and call out its depth to my friends.
"Mark one!"
"Quarter one!"
"Half one!"
"Mark twain!"
But the sounding cry came from the heavens, and it was my own life that was measured and my own life that was known. And each time I am measured, I become a little smaller and a little less sure of myself.
I am now convinced that there is no end to these twisting waters. I will not master this river, neither its depths nor its ways. And now that I have as many years behind me as ahead of me, I have taken my pipe and seated myself by the captain's stove to have a smoke and consider these things.
I have had to make some adjustments to my expectations.
So if not the whole Bible, perhaps I could know the New Testament and come to understand the foundations of the Christian faith. And if the New Testament is too much to fathom, then maybe I could know the gospel stories of Jesus. And if not the gospels, then how about Matthew? And if not Matthew, then surely the Sermon on the Mount could be known. And if not the Sermon, then at least the Beatitudes. And if not the Beatitudes, then I would like to know the first Beatitude.
I would like to know what Jesus meant when He said, "Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven."
I would like to know poverty of Spirit, for poverty is all I am left with. I would like the courage to be made poor before the shattering depth of the Creator and alongside the unthinkable breadth of humanity. Spiritual poverty is all I ask for now, and it is more than I can handle.
My God, Thou hast given me only one lifetime and half of it is already gone.
Mark twain. I am hoping for safe passage.
tulc(that guy is a good brother)
There is no genetic proof that anyone is born homosexual.
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Science is not finished with this topic yet. It remains to be seen if there is genetic evidence.
However, there is plenty of evidence that people are created gay.
I am one of them! And I bless God for the gift.
And yet you wonder why gay people have hidden for centuries!And if people are born homosexual today people would have been born homosexual back then, and if they were open about it they probably would have been killed.
Correct - which is why God does NOT call homosexuality wrong.God would not create someone homosexual and then call homosexuality wrong.
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