But it was not a Choice...

[ChaliceThunder]

"Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done." Romans 1:28

"Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so also these men oppose the truth -- men of depraved minds, who, as far as the faith is concerned, are rejected." 2Timothy 3:8

"They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him. They are detestable, disobedient and unfit for doing anything good." Titus 1:16




This would almost be laughable if it were not so tragically sad. You're using your contentment as a measure of right and wrong? If you and your girlfriend are fornicating and you are feeling at peace about the fornication, you should be concerned.

What's truly sad is your use of scripture as a weapon.

You batter people with verses like those above. Those verses apply equally to you. What you do to others with scripture is detastable, disobedient and depraved.

 

[Zaac]

What's truly sad is your use of scripture as a weapon.

Take it up with God cause that's who your issue is with.

For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. Hebrews 4:12

16All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. 2 Timothy 3:16-17

You batter people with verses like those above. Those verses apply equally to you. What you do to others with scripture is detastable, disobedient and depraved.

God's Word is used the way He says it is to be used. You, like most, just don't appreciate the finality of someone telling you that sin is sin and backing it up with God's irrefutable Word.

16All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. 2 Timothy 3:16-17

 

[MrPirate]

So be it. Do you ignore the roles given to us by Jesus? Or do you elect each other to certain roles?

I am NOT a racist. Do not assume something like that, just because of a simple question. I'm not some hate mongering tactician trying to bring ruin upon you. I belong to God just as you do.

I didn’t indicate you were.

However you didn’t answer my question: I’m opposed to racism as well. Do you think that makes me black?

I really hope homosexuality/pedophilia is NOT inborn, because the sickos in our world (Some who would even call themselves Christians) would someday be able to kill it before being born. ><;

equating homosexuality with pedophilia as you are doing here is a tactic long used by racists to justify their own hatreds. Non-whites would be compared to or associated with criminals, usually sexual criminals.
You protest that you are not a racists…yet you employ the same tactics of racists.

 

[WashedBytheSon]

He is very clear,

Romans 1:27 (New International Version)

27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

(for some reason this is often overlooked)

He is clear that it is wrong. That question was geared toward the people who believe scripture says homosexuality is ok.

 

[WashedBytheSon]

God IS clarifying it through the faithful witness of millions of gay Christians.

However, as was true with the Israelites, and the Pharisees, God's word fell on deaf ears.

His word disagrees with you.

 

[WashedBytheSon]

I must revisit this post, because I forgot to address the last sentence.

In what sense is God at all clear about "everything else?"

Why, then, do we have theologians? Why do we constantly have to wrangle over "the problem of evil?" Why do babies die? Why x, y, z?

God leaves a way open so that we may enter into intimate relationship with him. If there were no questions, we would not need answers, and would feel self-sufficient.

Why do babies die, and the problem of evil, become clear through scripture. I am talking about things that are clearly stated. Murder is wrong, stealing is wrong, lying is wrong, etc. etc.

 

[WashedBytheSon]

Thank you for your response

I think while I disagree with your opinion that you have quite a reasonable way of putting your beliefs across in real life if this is the way you do conduct yourself in regards to homosexuality.

What would you say about those Christians who do protest homosexuality, campaign against them, freak out if they meet a gay person etc.. ?

I think they should be looking in the mirror and protesting, campaigning, and freaking out.

 

[WashedBytheSon]

The fact that he still got his ticket out of town before the fireworks started.

Remember Mrs Lot got punished for the grievous sin of hiving concern for others. SO God was obviously paying attention.

So if you are going to use the myth of Sodom to try to justify your personal prejudices you are left support child sexual abuse at the same time.



Wow&#8230;you are actually excusing the sexual molestation of children. truly sick.

I sincerely hope you have no access to children

way to take what I said totally out of context. You understand that when I said "his neighbors, the people around him affected him" means that it affected his moral code. He was still more righteous than the men of Sodom and Gomorrah, but he was also still affected by their immorality in his actions. I explained this earlier. The verses you gave as 'evidence' that God doesn't care about men raping women don't even apply if you understand what you are reading. I do not 'enjoy' the idea of killing people. It is also sad that you enjoy speaking malice about God and His word. I also refuse to reply to you again, because instead of providing actual scripture to support your claims (in context, where it works) you just throw out misguided insults.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

Take it up with God cause that's who your issue is with.

No baby - my issue is with you and others who denigrate the scriptures by using them as a bludgeon.

God's Word is used the way He says it is to be used. You, like most, just don't appreciate the finality of someone telling you that sin is sin and backing it up with God's irrefutable Word.

Finality?

You have not yet fully grasped the work of Christ on the cross. We are free from sin and death. They have no power over him or for those of us who believe.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

His word disagrees with you.

YOUR interpretation of it, perhaps. But you have time to grow yet.

God does not disagree with me - God has blessed me.

 

[HaloHope]

"Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done." Romans 1:28

"Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so also these men oppose the truth -- men of depraved minds, who, as far as the faith is concerned, are rejected." 2Timothy 3:8

"They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him. They are detestable, disobedient and unfit for doing anything good." Titus 1:16

I would venture to say there is no proof those verses are applicable in the context you are using them, because I am convinced I am not being disobedient to God or rejecting him.

This would almost be laughable if it were not so tragically sad. You're using your contentment as a measure of right and wrong? If you and your girlfriend are fornicating and you are feeling at peace about the fornication, you should be concerned.

No, I use God as a measure of right and wrong and after much prayer, contemplation and communication with God about the scriptures in question, I am convinced anti-gay people take them out of context. As for grounds for "fornication" in my relationship, I suppose if you class cuddling, kissing, sharing a bed etc as grounds for fornication. I don't and will be getting married before our relationship moves to a full sexual level (for the record I personally believe that marriage is a commitment before God and it does not require a ceromony, we are however fortunate enough to live in a country where we can have access to a ceromony).

 

[MrPirate]

He is clear that it is wrong. That question was geared toward the people who believe scripture says homosexuality is ok.

It only becomes wrong when one ignores literal and contextual translation

 

[MrPirate]

way to take what I said totally out of context.

I didn’t. You are mitigating child sexual abuse, the gang rape of children to justify your petty personal prejudices.

You understand that when I said "his neighbors, the people around him affected him" means that it affected his moral code. He was still more righteous than the men of Sodom and Gomorrah, but he was also still affected by their immorality in his actions. I explained this earlier.

Lot offering of his daughters to be gang raped is as sick and morally degenerate as your defense of such things.

The verses you gave as 'evidence' that God doesn't care about men raping women don't even apply if you understand what you are reading.

And now you are justifying rape. Again…you must be horribly desperate to justify hatred to stoop so low.

I do not 'enjoy' the idea of killing people. It is also sad that you enjoy speaking malice about God and His word.

Interesting statement coming form someone using the bible to justify personal prejudice

I also refuse to reply to you again, because instead of providing actual scripture to support your claims (in context, where it works) you just throw out misguided insults. You are truly a sick person in need of help.

Ignoring the multiple times this has been done…and what was you response to them? Oh yes…you chose to ignore them because they didn’t back up your prejudice.

 

[Apollo Celestio]

I didn’t indicate you were.

However you didn’t answer my question: I’m opposed to racism as well. Do you think that makes me black?




equating homosexuality with pedophilia as you are doing here is a tactic long used by racists to justify their own hatreds. Non-whites would be compared to or associated with criminals, usually sexual criminals.
You protest that you are not a racists…yet you employ the same tactics of racists.

I mean in a gay marriage, does one take the "wife" and "husband", or it is disregarded..

I don't understand, not being racist makes you black? Or makes me assume you're black?

My intentions are not racist, i'm no tactician, i'm just asking questions.

 

[BigBadWlf]

I mean in a gay marriage, does one take the "wife" and "husband", or it is disregarded..

Maybe they dispense with roles and are happy just being themselves.
Obviously hundreds of thousands of happily married same sex couples haven’t lost any sleep over semantics. If you are truly that interested, why not inquire with some of them?

I don't understand, not being racist makes you black? Or makes me assume you're black?

Did you assume someone was gay?

 

[BigBadWlf]

What's truly sad is your use of scripture as a weapon.

You batter people with verses like those above. Those verses apply equally to you. What you do to others with scripture is detastable, disobedient and depraved.

Very well said

 

[BigBadWlf]

His word. I also refuse to reply to you again, because instead of providing actual scripture to support your claims (in context, where it works) you just throw out misguided insults.

This isn’t true.

 

[WashedBytheSon]

YOUR interpretation of it, perhaps. But you have time to grow yet.

God does not disagree with me - God has blessed me.

you are blinded.

 

[david_x]

He is clear that it is wrong. That question was geared toward the people who believe scripture says homosexuality is ok.

This didn't make sense to me. Can you elaborate/clarify?

 

[david_x]

It only becomes wrong when one ignores literal and contextual translation

Are you sure you are not yelling at a mirror?