Busting the myth that gays can't change....

[IzzyPop]

And I'm still curious as to whether fated believes he can, with enough therapy, will himself to fall head over heels, butterfly in the stomach, starry eyed in love with a man.

Stop it, woman!! I cannot give you anymore reputation for awhile!

 

[beechy]

Stop it, woman!! I cannot give you anymore reputation for awhile!

Reputation, schmeputation -- I'm just the curious type.

 

[TheManeki]

Fated,

Do you actually know any gay people well? You have several interesting misconceptions that seem straight out of The Lambda Conspiracy.

 

[fated]

If he's telling the truth, I'd say he's a gay man in a straight marriage. If he's lying, I don't know. He might be straight, he might be bisexual.

He's an ungrateful bastard.

 

[fated]

huh?

A number of factos go together to dictate one's sexual orientation... whats the heck is wrong with that?

Now quit stalling and obfuscating, and come up with a legitimate source that says "willful choice" is one of those factors, or admit that you can't find such a statement

Personal choice... is implied. Free will is the null hypothesis they are attempting to disprove... with statistics...

 

[fated]

??? What on earth are you talking about? Hetero nor homo sexuals have "control" over who they are attracted to. You can chose whom you get involved with, and whom you wanna have a realtionship with..but attraction is something you certainly don't have control over. They are "feelings"... you can run from them, you can hide them, you can bury them, you can not deal with the, etc..but they are always there... That's as old as the earth being round, so I'm thinking i'm missing something here.

#268

Well, the Wiki seems to think:
"While most Greek men engaged in relations with both women and boys,[4] exceptions to the rule were known, some avoiding relations with women, and others rejecting relations with boys." (Emphasis mine)

While it mentions that the relationship was sometimes -chaste- and sometimes -sexual- this seems to indicate that society had a widespread acceptance and practice of men having sex with boys.

Just read the article and view some of the citations:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pederasty

 

[fated]

Define "dictated," would you?



That article that I posted. Read the whole thing.

Dictated is the word... EnemyPartyII called sexual orientation.

 

[fated]

And I'm still curious as to whether fated believes he can, with enough therapy, will himself to fall head over heels, butterfly in the stomach, starry eyed in love with a man.

Its always about that head over heals feeling? You're talking about three months...

Besides, I have never really tried. I'm in a monogamous relationship.

Certainly there is precedent...

 

[KomissarSteve]

He's an ungrateful bastard.

Why does he necessarily have to be that? What if he was just confused when he married that woman?

 

[fated]

Fated,

Do you actually know any gay people well? You have several interesting misconceptions that seem straight out of The Lambda Conspiracy.

Yes. What misconception do I have?

I really don't mind being corrected.

 

[fated]

Why does he necessarily have to be that? What if he was just confused when he married that woman?

He's not very gay when he's laying pipe. That's the problem I have with the APA's definition.

 

[KomissarSteve]

He's not very gay when he's laying pipe. That's the problem I have with the APA's definition.

Are you somehow under the impression that having sex with a woman makes you not-gay or less-gay?

 

[fated]

And I'm still curious as to whether fated believes he can, with enough therapy, will himself to fall head over heels, butterfly in the stomach, starry eyed in love with a man.

Besides, I don't think therapy will ever work. It's like telling a smoker that they aren't addicted to smoking. Stop liking cigarettes. It's ridiculous.

You learn to love. And while you may lose out on the head over heels, which is tragic, you are talking to a man who been married for six years. I got one lady, and we take care of each other.

 

[fated]

Are you somehow under the impression that having sex with a woman makes you not-gay or less-gay?

I think calling a man who is faithfully married to a woman gay is thoroughly disrespectful, misleading, and truly damages his "personal justice."

 

[KomissarSteve]

I think calling a man who is faithfully married to a woman gay is thoroughly disrespectful, misleading, and truly damages his "personal justice."

Personal justice and respect has nothing to do with this. If he's gay, he's gay and it doesn't matter if he has sex with women. That's not something that he can choose, and his being confused doesn't make him any less of a person.

 

[fated]

Personal justice and respect has nothing to do with this. If he's gay, he's gay and it doesn't matter if he has sex with women. That's not something that he can choose, and his being confused doesn't make him any less of a person.

One wonders if he stopped "considering" men... "by himself" if he could learn to be truly attracted to a woman. Or, if he considered his marriage an actual sacred bond.

Of course:

It's a free country, it's his choice.

 

[Skaloop]

He's not very gay when he's laying pipe. That's the problem I have with the APA's definition.

Say I went to church every week. I sang the hymns, I prayed along with the congregation, I tithed as I could. I did all this because it was expected of me within the community. But in truth, I did not believe in God or Jesus in any way.

Would you say I was a Christian? Or would you say I was an atheist pretending to live as a Christian?

 

[fated]

Say I went to church every week. I sang the hymns, I prayed along with the congregation, I tithed as I could. I did all this because it was expected of me within the community. But in truth, I did not believe in God or Jesus in any way.

Would you say I was a Christian? Or would you say I was an atheist pretending to live as a Christian?

To an atheist, immodesty and gay marriage can make excellent sense until they become president of an underpopulated underdefended country.

 

[KomissarSteve]

One wonders if he stopped "considering" men...

He didn't. At most, he was bisexual and realized that he liked women more than men.

"by himself" if he could learn to be truly attracted to a woman.

If he's gay and married to a woman then he's not attracted to the woman. He has sex with her because he really, really wants to believe that he's straight.

It's a free country, it's his choice.

Hahaha...oh wow.

 

[KomissarSteve]

To an atheist, immodesty and gay marriage can make excellent sense until they become president of an underpopulated underdefended country.

Why would immodesty and gay sex make sense to them, unless they're gay and/or promiscuous? I know a lot of modest, straight atheists. They're straight because they're straight, and they're modest because they have self-respect.