Bruce Jenner

[Goodbook]

Ok, so nobody can really say hes or shes christian. Ok. As nobody personally knows him/her and can testify.

Nevermind.

 

[Goodbook]

I dont watch the show so, if somebody can say what he/she did thats a mark of a true believer, then that might be a good thing to discuss. Otherwise, i dont really care, all this other talk is rubbish.

 

[Cearbhall]

Ok, so nobody can really say hes or shes christian. Ok. As nobody personally knows him/her and can testify.

Nevermind.

I don't think anyone who personally knows her could definitively make that claim, either.

I dont watch the show so, if somebody can say what he/she did thats a mark of a true believer

What would qualify as a mark of a true believer? And, am I to understand that you believe anyone who meets one of these qualifications is definitely a Christian?

 

[Goodbook]

Bruce Jenner needs mental help, not enabling. He is no more a woman now than he was forty years ago, regardless of how many times the agenda driven sycophants tell him he is.

Seems to me just a guy who wants to look like a woman, but can never be.

Personally i think its in your dna and your bones. I dont think hormones and estrogen/ testoerone have anything to do with it, as that fluctuates. Ppl take all sorts of steroids these days that mess up your body but your core remains.

Also, if he cant ovulate or menstruate, it doesnt seem like he would understand how being a woman really is, or have the feminine instinct peculiar to women. At best he could act like a girl, but nobody is fooled.

But as dont know him/ her personally nor his heart motivation, hard to judge.
If your born again, i dont think that matters, its your relationship with God, and both sexes have the same kind of intimate relationship when we are one in christ and part of HIs body.

 

[Cearbhall]

Seems to me just a guy who wants to look like a woman, but can never be.

Have you taken time to read about the biological basis of transgenderism? And what do you mean when you say "woman?" The sex or the gender?

 

[Maren]

Seems to me just a guy who wants to look like a woman, but can never be.

Personally i think its in your dna and your bones. I dont think hormones and estrogen/ testoerone have anything to do with it, as that fluctuates. Ppl take all sorts of steroids these days that mess up your body but your core remains.

Also, if he cant ovulate or menstruate, it doesnt seem like he would understand how being a woman really is, or have the feminine instinct peculiar to women. At best he could act like a girl, but nobody is fooled.

But as dont know him/ her personally nor his heart motivation, hard to judge.
If your born again, i dont think that matters, its your relationship with God, and both sexes have the same kind of intimate relationship when we are one in christ and part of HIs body.

So a person who has a hysterectomy, or other "plumbing" problems, before puberty can never be a woman? A person with Turner Syndrome is not a woman; in this case the person doesn't have an "XX" chromosome pair nor are they likely to menstruate? What about a person with Swyer Syndrome; in this case the person actually has an "XY" chromosome pair but, until recently (with genetic testing), never would have known it?

 

[Nithavela]

The recent media coverage of Bruce Jenner has revealed that he claims to be a Christian. Some might dispute his claim. However, In an age where Satan has accomplished so much, I do not think we should be surprised to see what many might consider "walking wounded" on the Christian battlefield.

Consider a home where a small boy grows up hungry for his father's attention. Instead he finds his fathers stack of pornography and starts to think that if he looked like the pictures, he might finally obtain his father's love. As the child grows and incorporates this thinking into moments of stimulation, he may come to think that he really is female in some way.

The National Institutes for Health (who have every political reason to promote the transsexual ideology) advise against surgery for the reason of such a high incidence of suicide. This would seem to indicate that something other than transsexualism is actually going on.

There are many conditions that come to exists because of a world that is designed by Satan to destroy families and oppose Christianity. As Christians we should be careful not to shoot our own wounded, but to show compassion for those who have been "wounded".

 

[Goodbook]

If he has a medical condition, please say what it is, but, also, please say how you know he is a christian.

I dont particularly care about the science, I want to know how you know he is of the faith.

If you cannot say why, then im going to be skeptical. Not everyone who says Lord Lord knows Him.

 

[Goodbook]

If hes a believer, we can pray, thats all. Because God will answer whatever he or she is going through. But to me it all looks and sounds fishy.

He seems to have divorced a lot of wives and left a trail of broken hearts.

 

[Goodbook]

Also, there is nothing wrong with being a eunuch, Even Jesus said there are some things we cant understand if we are not one. But as mr or ms jenner has been married and had children before, it doesnt look like anythings wrong in that department.

 

[Armoured]

He seems to have divorced a lot of wives and left a trail of broken hearts.

Well, look at uber Christian du jour Kim Davis?

 

[Cute Tink]

If he has a medical condition, please say what it is

Gender Dysphoria is a recognized medical condition.

, but, also, please say how you know he is a christian.

I dont particularly care about the science, I want to know how you know he is of the faith.

If you cannot say why, then im going to be skeptical. Not everyone who says Lord Lord knows Him.

I don't particularly care if she fits any particular person's definition of Christian. I give her the same benefit of self proclamation as I give everyone else.

 

[Cute Tink]

Seems to me just a guy who wants to look like a woman, but can never be.

Personally i think its in your dna and your bones. I dont think hormones and estrogen/ testoerone have anything to do with it, as that fluctuates. Ppl take all sorts of steroids these days that mess up your body but your core remains.

Also, if he cant ovulate or menstruate, it doesnt seem like he would understand how being a woman really is, or have the feminine instinct peculiar to women. At best he could act like a girl, but nobody is fooled.

But as dont know him/ her personally nor his heart motivation, hard to judge.
If your born again, i dont think that matters, its your relationship with God, and both sexes have the same kind of intimate relationship when we are one in christ and part of HIs body.

So only menstruating women know what it means to be a woman? Fascinating. Lots of biological women don't fit that technicality.

As for DNA, there are cases of XY people who develop female and XX people who develop male without any medical intervention.

 

[Cute Tink]

Bruce Jenner needs mental help, not enabling. He is no more a woman now than he was forty years ago, regardless of how many times the agenda driven sycophants tell him he is.

As always noted in response to statements like this, "mental help" has not proven to be sufficient treatment in cases of severe gender dysphoria.

 

[Albion]

As always noted in response to statements like this, "mental help" has not proven to be sufficient treatment in cases of severe gender dysphoria.

So no amount of counseling can dispel a person from thinking his fantasies are real? I have to question that.

 

[Cute Tink]

So no amount of counseling can dispel a person from thinking his fantasies are real? I have to question that.

I question you calling it a "fantasy", but I doubt that matters to you.

However, counseling alone was not found to be sufficient in alleviating severe gender dysphoria. You can doubt it all you like, but you are free to look into the history of treatment if you want.

 

[Bible Page]

Bruce actually claims to be a Catholic.

I think he's proof that money can make a grown man make a fool of himself in his twilight years.

The recent media coverage of Bruce Jenner has revealed that he claims to be a Christian. Some might dispute his claim. However, In an age where Satan has accomplished so much, I do not think we should be surprised to see what many might consider "walking wounded" on the Christian battlefield.

Consider a home where a small boy grows up hungry for his father's attention. Instead he finds his fathers stack of pornography and starts to think that if he looked like the pictures, he might finally obtain his father's love. As the child grows and incorporates this thinking into moments of stimulation, he may come to think that he really is female in some way.

The National Institutes for Health (who have every political reason to promote the transsexual ideology) advise against surgery for the reason of such a high incidence of suicide. This would seem to indicate that something other than transsexualism is actually going on.

There are many conditions that come to exists because of a world that is designed by Satan to destroy families and oppose Christianity. As Christians we should be careful not to shoot our own wounded, but to show compassion for those who have been "wounded".

 

[Albion]

I question you calling it a "fantasy", but I doubt that matters to you.

Boob implants and high heels do not a woman make, CT. I didn't think we would be disputing that. Bruce Jenner specifically says that he feels like a woman...but, at the same time, he will not have any surgery on his genitals so that he can switch back when he feels like it, too. If you think that this makes Jenner's idea that there's a "Cait" who's a real woman by any standard, we are very far apart.

counseling alone was not found to be sufficient in alleviating severe gender dysphoria. You can doubt it all you like, but you are free to look into the history of treatment if you want.

So you don't know yourself?

All I asked about is whether counseling is totally incapable of making a person who thinks he's changed into the other gender realize that he's merely adopted certain characteristics of that other sex. I would think that counseling would be effective, at least at times, in dispelling a person's imaginary worldview, just as it can help a child understand that there are not actually dragons living under his bed.

 

[Albion]

Bruce actually claims to be a Catholic.

I think he's proof that money can make a grown man make a fool of himself in his twilight years.

OR, Bruce Jenner--whose profession is/was as a motivational speaker teaching people that they can take charge and become what they dream of being--decided that he'd had enough of being the fifth wheel on "Keeping up with the Kardashians" and decided to take his own advice. See how he instantly became the darling of the twitter world, was given awards for courage, and got his own TV series out of it. Hmmmmm.

 

[Cute Tink]

Boob implants and high heels do not a woman make, CT. I didn't think we would be disputing that. Bruce Jenner specifically says that he feels like a woman...but, at the same time, he will not have any surgery on his genitals so that he can switch back when he feels like it, too. If you think that this makes Jenner's idea that there's a "Cait" who's a real woman by any standard, we are very far apart.

I never claimed that boob implants and high heels make a woman Albion. For one, I know many trans women who don't have boob implants nor do they wear high heels.

Jenner is not avoiding surgery because of a desire to go back. She's actually stated she will never go back to trying to be a man. She's spending time carefully weighing the risks of surgery before going under. At her age, there are a lot of concerns with hours of being under anesthetic. Surgery always has risks, but I guess you can disregard that.

So you don't know yourself?

All I asked about is whether counseling is totally incapable of making a person who thinks he's changed into the other gender realize that he's merely adopted certain characteristics of that other sex. I would think that counseling would be effective, at least at times, in dispelling a person's imaginary worldview, just as it can help a child understand that there are not actually dragons living under his bed.

You have held on to a lot of misconceptions despite discussing this issue with me more than once and I think you are ignoring some of my words. Let me emphasize my statement for you: "counseling alone was not found to be sufficient in alleviating severe gender dysphoria". Lesser levels of dysphoria can be treated without surgery.

Your repeated insistence that this is all a fantasy or imaginary is noted and disregarded by the medical and psychiatric communities.

You state that the counseling is to help us realized that we only think we've changed to the other gender. Counseling goes first, before transition, but we already are the other gender. We transition after counseling hasn't resolved the issues.