Breaking the Sword of Islam

[Catherineanne]

Interestingly. the bible mentions Jesus calling some of the Jews as 'snakes', 'vipers' (Matt 3:7, Matt 23:33) and 'children of the devil'. Taking cue from your logic, does that mean all of us, Christians and non-Christians, are slimy develish snakes?

Let me guess. If we are supposedly poisonous viper, and as you claimed we are 'made in the image of God'... what follows then?

According to the bible, Jesus did insinuate that some people are swine and do not 'cast pearls over swines'.

This is all deflection and smokescreen. You have no authority, as a Moslem, to attempt to cast dishonour on the prophet Isa.

If Moslems call any other person, of any other faith, a pig, which is pretty well the worst thing they could call them, then they call both their mother, father, brothers and sisters, and God himself, a pig.

Take it or leave it, this is what is true. Christ said, 'inasmuch as you have done it unto the least of these, you have done it unto Me.' This counts for acts of charity, and acts of evil, equally. What we do to others, we do to God himself.

 

[HumbleSiPilot77]

Prophet Isa is a fictitious character cover up Quran made up. He never existed in real history.

 

[Islam_mulia]

This is all deflection and smokescreen. You have no authority, as a Moslem, to attempt to cast dishonour on the prophet Isa.

I was expecting a more intelligent response from you, and this is all you can reply? Look objectively. I reply in tandem with what you propose. I even quoted your bible and when you are at a loss, you just call this a 'smokescreen'?

If Moslems call any other person, of any other faith, a pig, which is pretty well the worst thing they could call them, then they call both their mother, father, brothers and sisters, and God himself, a pig.

I do not call anyone a pig, although there are some who acted like a pig. There is a difference there. However, your bible claim that Jesus call the people literally snakes and children of Satan. How is that for a comparison?

 

[Islam_mulia]

Christian alms are given without strings. You need only be disgusted with those of your own faith who withhold money from those who are starving if they are of the wrong faith, and give only to Moslems. As I have already said, this is not charity but evil, and it will not be counted as good by God. Anyone behaving in this way is omitting one of the five pillars of Islam from their life.

I was talking specifically about zakat and tithe. I am not running away from saying taht zakat collected from Muslims are given to needy Muslims and for the advancement of Islam.

You, a Christian, are shy to admit that tithe (or Christian giving) is given to the Chruch and for propogation of Christianity.

First, Christians should provide for the needs of fellow Christians who are experiencing financial hardships....

Later in Paul's ministry, he gave instruction to other churches that they also should give to the poor Christians in Jerusalem.

Today's Christians should follow these examples and provide for the needs of our brothers and sisters in Christ who are in financial distress.

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A second reason for Christian giving is to support Christian leaders.

http://my.att.net/p/s/community.dll?ep=87&subpageid=274319

 

[Catherineanne]

Prophet Isa is a fictitious character cover up Quran made up. He never existed in real history.

When speaking to a Roman, speak of Jove rather than Odin.

 

[Catherineanne]

I was expecting a more intelligent response from you, and this is all you can reply? Look objectively. I reply in tandem with what you propose. I even quoted your bible and when you are at a loss, you just call this a 'smokescreen'?

Yes indeed, it was a smokescreen. And this is another, to cast doubt on my intelligence. For which, many thanks.

I am not, however, daft enough to fall into a trap of talking about a couple of verses of the Bible, completely out of context, when what is being addressed is modern day Moslems talking about broad sections of other people, and using the most insulting words they can find, to suggest that other peoples and other faiths are less than human. This is not acceptable, and it is nothing like the bits you have quoted from Scripture.

I do not call anyone a pig, although there are some who acted like a pig. There is a difference there.

This is not about what you, personally, have said. It is about how Moslem people speak of non Moslems, as a matter of course and habit.

I have called you on this, and you say that Our Lord did the same. He did not do the same.

However, your bible claim that Jesus call the people literally snakes and children of Satan. How is that for a comparison?

Our Lord did not demonise whole peoples and whole religions, nor compare them with animals. He spoke of individuals, who he knew personally, and he spoke the truth about them.

Again, it is haram to attack Isa. Why are you still doing it?

 

[Catherineanne]

I was talking specifically about zakat and tithe. I am not running away from saying taht zakat collected from Muslims are given to needy Muslims and for the advancement of Islam.

You, a Christian, are shy to admit that tithe (or Christian giving) is given to the Chruch and for propogation of Christianity.


http://my.att.net/p/s/community.dll?ep=87&subpageid=274319

I am not shy of anything. Of course some Christian money supports the church, but that is not the same thing at all. When we give money through such agencies as Christian Aid, such money is not conditional on the faith of the recipient. It is given to those who need it most, regardless of what faith they are.

What I want to know now is what proportion of Moslem alms is given to non Moslems in need? You have accused me of being shy, so now you tell me the answer to that. I don't expect you to know the answer for all of Islam, so what is the answer for your own place of worship?

 

[Islam_mulia]

Yes indeed, it was a smokescreen. And this is another, to cast doubt on my intelligence. For which, many thanks.

I am not, however, daft enough to fall into a trap of talking about a couple of verses of the Bible, completely out of context, when what is being addressed is modern day Moslems talking about broad sections of other people, and using the most insulting words they can find, to suggest that other peoples and other faiths are less than human. This is not acceptable, and it is nothing like the bits you have quoted from Scripture.

Please let me know how my answers and my quotations are "given out of context". I am not new to this Forum. I can see the excuses of Chrsitians when they are unable to reply to non-Christians queries. Their favorite answer is "out of context".

Looking forward to your reply.

This is not about what you, personally, have said. It is about how Moslem people speak of non Moslems, as a matter of course and habit.

I have called you on this, and you say that Our Lord did the same. He did not do the same.

The bible clearly state that Jesus called some of the Jews by deragotary terms - snakes, vipers, sons of Satan, devil. Why deny something which did not fit your agenda?

Our Lord did not demonise whole peoples and whole religions, nor compare them with animals. He spoke of individuals, who he knew personally, and he spoke the truth about them.

The truth is, he called a group of people, "snakes" and "devils", among others. Why are you still refusing to accept this?

Again, it is haram to attack Isa. Why are you still doing it?

Aha... now you try to stroke the Muslim psyche.

1. If it is true that Jesus called some of the people by horrible names, it is because they are like what Jesus called them, not that they are literally "swines" or "snakes". We see that in the Quran as well where the refernce is to their characters.

2. Under no circumstances I am attacking the prophet of God. The bible is not the word of God, in my opinion. I am just using your scripture to answer your ridiculous attack on Muslims and Islam. I think it is working fine. TY.

 

[Islam_mulia]

I am not shy of anything. Of course some Christian money supports the church, but that is not the same thing at all. When we give money through such agencies as Christian Aid, such money is not conditional on the faith of the recipient. It is given to those who need it most, regardless of what faith they are.

I am not sure if there is any difference between a normal "monetary alms" and "tithe", but in Islam the "zakat" is a compulsory obligation while monetary aid is voluntary. Zakat is given to mainly Muslims and the advancement of Islam. Aid can be channeled to various funds although most of is to assist our Muslims brothers and sisters.

What I want to know now is what proportion of Moslem alms is given to non Moslems in need? You have accused me of being shy, so now you tell me the answer to that. I don't expect you to know the answer for all of Islam, so what is the answer for your own place of worship?

We do have our own Muslim Aid http://www.muslimaid.org/ and some of these are given to people who are in need of help, irrespective of race and religion.
Nonetheless, I still believe we can improve out networking and organisation in overall aid management, like some of the Christians and non-government organisations operating in this world.

 

[Secundulus]

Why, when I was in Kosovo, did I see young Girls from the Catholic relief agency going into KLA areas to help Muslims in distress, but I never saw even a single Muslim relief agency do anything to help?

So much for your alms. I guess they only go to Hamas and other similar groups to aid Muslims in creating their distinctive and expolsive personalities.

It's all for the advancement of Islam you know. To hell with actually helping people.

 

[Islam_mulia]

Why, when I was in Kosovo, did I see young Girls from the Catholic relief agency going into KLA areas to help Muslims in distress, but I never saw even a single Muslim relief agency do anything to help?

Muslim Aid manned the first-ever charter flight arrange by a Muslim charity to carry 29 tonnes of aid worth £250,000 to Kosovo.
http://www.muslimaid.org/index.php/about-us/history/natural-disasters-challenge-muslim-aid

Also pls read
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/327453.stm

 

[Catherineanne]

Please let me know how my answers and my quotations are "given out of context". I am not new to this Forum. I can see the excuses of Chrsitians when they are unable to reply to non-Christians queries. Their favorite answer is "out of context".

Looking forward to your reply.

If a question is about Moslems, a reply about Biblical Christians is out of context; it does not tell us anything about Moslems. This is not rocket science.

The bible clearly state that Jesus called some of the Jews by deragotary terms - snakes, vipers, sons of Satan, devil. Why deny something which did not fit your agenda?


The truth is, he called a group of people, "snakes" and "devils", among others. Why are you still refusing to accept this?


Aha... now you try to stroke the Muslim psyche.

1. If it is true that Jesus called some of the people by horrible names, it is because they are like what Jesus called them, not that they are literally "swines" or "snakes". We see that in the Quran as well where the refernce is to their characters.

2. Under no circumstances I am attacking the prophet of God. The bible is not the word of God, in my opinion. I am just using your scripture to answer your ridiculous attack on Muslims and Islam. I think it is working fine. TY.

OK, if you have finished your third haram attack on Isa in three posts, for which may the Lord have mercy on you, here is the question once more.

At your place of worship, what proportion of the alms collected, supposedly as one of the five pillars of Islam, is given to non Moslems in need?

I await your answer with interest.

 

[Islam_mulia]

If a question is about Moslems, a reply about Biblical Christians is out of context; it does not tell us anything about Moslems. This is not rocket science.

Oh come on! I was trying to show you that the same argument you wrote against Islam (calling people by horrible names) are actually practiced by the biblical Jesus.

You have not shown how you claimed I quoted 'out of context' because it was actually in the bible!

Thank you very much.

OK, if you have finished your third haram attack on Isa in three posts, for which may the Lord have mercy on you, here is the question once more.

If Jesus called some of the Jews "snakes" and "devils", it was because their characters are like that. The same can be seen in the Quran where some group of people are called "apes". They deserved the title as Jesus was pointing to their characters. Why are you so defensive?

At your place of worship, what proportion of the alms collected, supposedly as one of the five pillars of Islam, is given to non Moslems in need?

I await your answer with interest.

To be honest with you, we hardly have enough funds to repair the mosque I prayed in!

As for the zakat, I have already mentioend to you, the money is mainly given to the poor (mainly Muslims) and for the advancement of Islam. That is the main objective of the zakat.

Alms is a different thing, but then as I mentioned our collection is not big enough to even maintain the mosques. We are not like the Catholic Church which are actually rich establishments.

Hope I have answered your questions.

 

[Naturalist_Atheist]

Sword < M16

 

[HumbleSiPilot77]

If it is true that Jesus called some of the people by horrible names, it is because they are like what Jesus called them, not that they are literally "swines" or "snakes".

I have never understood why you keep complaining about this "vipers" reference over and over again past few years...

The bible is not the word of God, in my opinion.

Thank you! Your doubts are certainly showing.

 

[HumbleSiPilot77]

We are not like the Catholic Church which are actually rich establishments.

Certainly a biased, unsubstantiated and uninformed remark. Not every single Catholic Church establishment is in Vatican.

 

[Naturalist_Atheist]

Does the church hold great power yes or no?

 

[Naturalist_Atheist]

Answer the question!

 

[um hamza]

Today in the Middle East, throughout Egypt, Libya and Morocco, hundreds of Muslims are turning to Christianity and forsaking the Qur’an.

hundreds ? cooooooool I do live in the middle east I didn't even see one turning to christianty in my city , may be one or two in every country from which you mentioned , and by the way christian church men in Egypt admitted that thousands of christians in Egypt turning to Islam every year and they are very worried about that if you understand Arabic I would put it for you to hear it your self , one of them also said that there number is above one million and half every year ( on a Tv program )
strange I thought in your Bible there's an order that Don't lie , why don't you first follow your book then try to make the others follow it, next time be Honest and Sincere in what you post

regards​

 

[Naturalist_Atheist]

How dare they.