Breaking the Sword of Islam

[Erfan777]

Today in the Middle East, throughout Egypt, Libya and Morocco, hundreds of Muslims are turning to Christianity and forsaking the Qur’an.

hundreds ? cooooooool I do live in the middle east I didn't even see one turning to christianty in my city , may be one or two in every country from which you mentioned , and by the way christian church men in Egypt admitted that thousands of christians in Egypt turning to Islam every year and they are very worried about that if you understand Arabic I would put it for you to hear it your self , one of them also said that there number is above one million and half every year ( on a Tv program )
strange I thought in your Bible there's an order that Don't lie , why don't you first follow your book then try to make the others follow it, next time be Honest and Sincere in what you post

regards​

Yuh, like your so called "imams" and the "peaceful" muslim society will not hunt them down one by one, be giving threats, beheading, torturing and forcing them to re-convert.
You can believe in your islamic propoganda all you want but what is true will remain true. Where is your proof of 1000s are turning to islam? Do you have any? It just shows how blind, arrogant and deaf you are? (No offense). You can quicly believe that Christians are turning to Islam, without any investigation; but when you read about how 1000s of muslims are accepting Christ everywhere...then you are at your feet all of a sudden thinking it as something biased and untrue, just because you don't see it happening in your area everyday. I am afraid to say, but to me you are a hypocrite

 

[HumbleSiPilot77]

Does the church hold great power yes or no?

Great power? What kind of great power?

Answer the question!

Make me!

 

[HumbleSiPilot77]

Yuh, like your so called "imams" and the "peaceful" muslim society will not hunt them down one by one, be giving threats, beheading, torturing and forcing them to re-convert.
You can believe in your islamic propoganda all you want but what is true will remain true. Where is your proof of 1000s are turning to islam? Do you have any? It just shows how blind, arrogant and deaf you are? (No offense). You can quicly believe that Christians are turning to Islam, without any investigation; but when you read about how 1000s of muslims are accepting Christ everywhere...then you are at your feet all of a sudden thinking it as something biased and untrue, just because you don't see it happening in your area everyday. I am afraid to say, but to me you are a hypocrite

I want to see the facts on Coptic Christians admitting that their members are turning to Islam... Unfortunately, I am sure um hamza will not be able to provide. All it takes is to go to Oriental Orthodox Forum and invite them to this thread and they would tell you the real picture in Egypt and its islamic persecution of Copts.

 

[um hamza]

see this it is in Arabic if you have any way to translate it then do thathttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDPlK9w_pzA​

 

[Catherineanne]

As for the zakat, I have already mentioend to you, the money is mainly given to the poor (mainly Muslims) and for the advancement of Islam. That is the main objective of the zakat.

You have certainly answered the question now. Islam is in fact doing what you accused Christianity of doing; only giving to its own, and only giving in order to advance its own faith. Which means that all your accusations are projection; full of sound and fury, signifying nothing about my faith, and everything about your own.

I am certain there are many God fearing Moslems who give to anyone in need, regardless of their faith. Such people are following the principles of Islam. However, it is also clear that others have no idea what charity is, and are failing to meet the demands of your faith in any meaningful way.

 

[Catherineanne]

Does the church hold great power yes or no?

Have you stopped beating your wife, yes or no?

And, in case I have to spell it out, some questions contain so many presuppositions that they cannot be answered yes or no.

What do you mean by the church and what do you mean by power? And, while you are at it, what do you mean by your aggressive machine gun posts? Last I heard, atheist was not a synonym for ill mannered.

 

[GodIsNear]

see this it is in Arabic if you have any way to translate it then do
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Sorry to be bringing up this old thread again but i got really frustrated seeing a muslim person using Max Michel as a reference to what she claims.
Max Michel is not part of the coptic church, he claimed to have been ordained as a bishop by the name of Maximos in Nebraska USA to serve in Egypt!!

Note: I had to remove the link to the clip as i haven't posted 50 post yet.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Sorry to be bringing up this old thread again but i got really frustrated seeing a muslim person using Max Michel as a reference to what she claims.
Max Michel is not part of the coptic church, he claimed to have been ordained as a bishop by the name of Maximos in Nebraska USA to serve in Egypt!!

Note: I had to remove the link to the clip as i haven't posted 50 post yet.

You can always go to a board on CF to increase your post count.

http://christianforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=705

 

[Futuwwa]

Yo, 'sup mofos! Doin' any progress on that breaking the sword of Islam thing?

 

[All Englands Skies]

My question is:
Why do you want to build something by breaking another?

If nothing was spread by "Breaking Another", Islam would still be only practised in Arabia at most or are you blind to the main way your "religion" spread?

Islam is a crucifiction denying, lessens Jesus's role and stops people knowing God through Jesus, while still masquarading as the "True faith in God", it also highlights and targets the specific weaknesses of the Church (both historical and modern) to unsurp and further its own teachings.

My view is simple on this, judging from the biblical warnings of false prophets, those who deny the crucifiction and the ressurection and that those who deny faith in Jesus Christ alone to know God, Islam is Anti-christ and it was most proberly the devil who talked to muhammed, its all too much to be coincidance, i am afraid, it systematically removes all the key elements of knowing God, while its followers still believe they are following God, its one of the greatest trickeries.

 

[Futuwwa]

If nothing was spread by "Breaking Another", Islam would still be only practised in Arabia at most or are you blind to the main way your "religion" spread?

Of course not, infidel. We know well enough how it spread, and for that we are unapologetic and proud. Any earthly kingdom that tries to suppress Islam sentences itself to destruction.

Got something against the fact that the ancient heartlands of Christianity are under Islamic rule? Take it up with Emperor Heraclius!

 

[All Englands Skies]

Its Islam that does most of the "supressing" and you're proud of spreading it by war?, hey, says more about you than anything else.

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

At least Islam is honest about its violent tendencies. Christianity has always hidden its Imperialist aspirations behind the most hypocritical smokescreens.

Not that it redeems them, much. But Christians don't have the right to complain here - a short look at Colonialism should suffice to show that to do so would establish the most bizarre double standard imaginable.
Heck, evangelical missionaries threaten indigenous cultures around the globe to this day, trying to assimilate them!

 

[All Englands Skies]

At least Islam is honest about its violent tendencies. Christianity has always hidden its Imperialist aspirations behind the most hypocritical smokescreens.

Not that it redeems them, much. But Christians don't have the right to complain here - a short look at Colonialism should suffice to show that to do so would establish the most bizarre double standard imaginable.
Heck, evangelical missionaries threaten indigenous cultures around the globe to this day, trying to assimilate them!

Colonists were weak "Christians" at most, the Empires were built up more on "White Nationality" and upper classes than Religion!

Honest?, alot of Christians went on a forgivness walk for the crusades, Muslims still never admit they did wrong at anything.

What are we supposed to do, pretend Christianity has a major violent forces (America and Britain dont equal mass crusading armies as their goal isnt Religious) all around the modern world, just so Islam doesnt feel out of place?

Most of the violence you have pinned on "us" is in the past anyway.

 

[Futuwwa]

Honest?, alot of Christians went on a forgivness walk for the crusades, Muslims still never admit they did wrong at anything.

What is there to admit? Sorry, I forgot that only Christians are supposed to proclaim their faith before a hostile world. You may think it would be sweet if Islam would have been meek and afraid to assert itself? Wouldn't it have been nice if Islam would have been destroyed under the Byzantine iron boot? Too bad for you we wouldn't put up with that

I bet you take up the forgiveness walk whenever it suits your rhetorical purposes, but swallow the BS of the crusade revisionists without question the next day and attest to the holiness of the crusades while among your own.

 

[SanFrank]

This individual, futuwwa uses abusive verbatim using terms as "BS" etc...

 

[budwing]

I dont follow any particular religion, but I am very interested in it. I dont judge any particular religion but i have been known to question it.........

I am part of another forum, a muslim forum which I joined "out of interest" to see what they were saying, and in all honesty, my narrow mindedness had me expecting them to be teaching terrorism etc. to my surprise (again down to being so narrow minded) they were discussing and teaching nothing but peace and love.

now, being a typical english person, I have to say I was biased at first, half expecting them to eat me alive for being an english person and a non muslim and not following any religion but now, they took me in, taught me things no one else would have taught me, and they even know an awful lot about the religion my mother chose for me to be part of. I was christened, but was not taught to follow it but my heart and my heart did not point me in the path of religion.

These people on this site are from all over the world, not one of them has tried to "turn" me, they have been nothing but supportive and I have nothing but grattiude for each and every single one of them!

now, excuse me and please correct me if i am wrong, but am i right in saying that no religion should be criticising another? you all beleive in a god, so why slate and cuss the other? in my opinion, its wrong, your all very wrong. maybe you should join a forum and actually be honest about it, ask questions, they have no problem in answering, there are some highly intelligent people on these sites that can maybe widen your narrow minds like they did to me, as said before I was very narrow minded (not nearly as bad as some of you guys seem to be) but they set me straight.

Im married (now separated) to a muslim man, he fathered my 3 children and he is no different to and english christian man. he is a fantastic father, and was a very good husband. Im questioning weather its the religion you have the issues with or the race?

in conclusion to this, I seriously think you should have a deep think about what your GOD really wants for you to do, slate every other religion down to the ground while punishing your selves with thorn leg ties and whipping yourselves across your backs (i know not done by all) or would he want you to see the world as it is, developing how it is, and have you accept it for what it is, if GOD created this world, he created the muslims, hindus, jews, jehovas, sikhs and opus dei religions to right????

I would maybe suggest honestly joing islamicboard and actually asking questions.

and I hope you can all sleep at night knowing how hypocritical you all are.

 

[All Englands Skies]

I dont follow any particular religion, but I am very interested in it. I dont judge any particular religion but i have been known to question it.........

I am part of another forum, a muslim forum which I joined "out of interest" to see what they were saying, and in all honesty, my narrow mindedness had me expecting them to be teaching terrorism etc. to my surprise (again down to being so narrow minded) they were discussing and teaching nothing but peace and love.

now, being a typical english person, I have to say I was biased at first, half expecting them to eat me alive for being an english person and a non muslim and not following any religion but now, they took me in, taught me things no one else would have taught me, and they even know an awful lot about the religion my mother chose for me to be part of. I was christened, but was not taught to follow it but my heart and my heart did not point me in the path of religion.

These people on this site are from all over the world, not one of them has tried to "turn" me, they have been nothing but supportive and I have nothing but grattiude for each and every single one of them!

now, excuse me and please correct me if i am wrong, but am i right in saying that no religion should be criticising another? you all beleive in a god, so why slate and cuss the other? in my opinion, its wrong, your all very wrong. maybe you should join a forum and actually be honest about it, ask questions, they have no problem in answering, there are some highly intelligent people on these sites that can maybe widen your narrow minds like they did to me, as said before I was very narrow minded (not nearly as bad as some of you guys seem to be) but they set me straight.

Im married (now separated) to a muslim man, he fathered my 3 children and he is no different to and english christian man. he is a fantastic father, and was a very good husband. Im questioning weather its the religion you have the issues with or the race?

in conclusion to this, I seriously think you should have a deep think about what your GOD really wants for you to do, slate every other religion down to the ground while punishing your selves with thorn leg ties and whipping yourselves across your backs (i know not done by all) or would he want you to see the world as it is, developing how it is, and have you accept it for what it is, if GOD created this world, he created the muslims, hindus, jews, jehovas, sikhs and opus dei religions to right????

I would maybe suggest honestly joing islamicboard and actually asking questions.

and I hope you can all sleep at night knowing how hypocritical you all are.

Disagreeing and debating doesnt equal hating individuals.

I use the computer to talk to many muslims and debate, I find Turkish to be very kind people, but i believe what i believe I am afraid and when debating, you may offend people getting your point across, but if nobody got offended by anything, the world would be a boring place.

But on a normal convosation, i talk to all people the same.

Also i cannot help but bring up such points in front of Futuwwa, i dont know if hes one of those "Internet trolls" but i cannot help but comment against his posts with anything else than points to upstage such a person!

 

[SanFrank]

Join Islam?... why on earth would I do such a thing...

Sura 10.37 وما كان هذا القرءان أن يفترى من دون الله ولكن تصديق الذي بين يديه وتفصيل الكتب لا ريب فيه من رب العلمين
Arabic: Wama kana hatha alqur-anu an yuftara min dooni Allahi walakin tasdeeqa allathee bayna yadayhi watafseela alkitabi la rayba feehi min rabbi alAAalameena

Translation: And that this was the collection, that fabricated one, from superior (to) “allah”, and but (a) confirmation (of) Him in His presence, and explaining The Book, no doubt in it, from the lord of the jinn and of mankind.

Comments: The first thing that we observe in this ayah is that the Koran (Qur'an, i.e. “alqur-anu” i.e. ‘the collection&#8217 is called a fabrication (yuftara). Further, this ayah states that ‘the collection’ is shown to be superior to “allah”, but still is a confirmation (tasdeeqa) of Him (allathee i.e. Jesus Christ) in His presence “bayna yadayhi”. What this means is that while the Koran is admittedly a fabrication of the previous scriptures (i.e. not divine), it still contains the Biblical message of Jesus Christ. Further, ‘the collection’ is said to explain (tafseela) The Book (alkitabi, i.e. The Holy Bible) – of which, the Holy Bible is stated to contain no doubt whatsoever in it (la rayba feehi). Finally, this ayah concludes with the admission that ‘the collection’ (i.e. fabrication) is from “allah” lord of the jinn (demons).

freeforum101.com/koranicbible

 

[Islam_mulia]

Join Islam?... why on earth would I do such a thing...

Sura 10.37 وما كان هذا القرءان أن يفترى من دون الله ولكن تصديق الذي بين يديه وتفصيل الكتب لا ريب فيه من رب العلمين
Arabic: Wama kana hatha alqur-anu an yuftara min dooni Allahi walakin tasdeeqa allathee bayna yadayhi watafseela alkitabi la rayba feehi min rabbi alAAalameena

Translation: And that this was the collection, that fabricated one, from superior (to) “allah”, and but (a) confirmation (of) Him in His presence, and explaining The Book, no doubt in it, from the lord of the jinn and of mankind.

Comments: The first thing that we observe in this ayah is that the Koran (Qur'an, i.e. “alqur-anu” i.e. ‘the collection’) is called a fabrication (yuftara). Further, this ayah states that ‘the collection’ is shown to be superior to “allah”, but still is a confirmation (tasdeeqa) of Him (allathee i.e. Jesus Christ) in His presence “bayna yadayhi”. What this means is that while the Koran is admittedly a fabrication of the previous scriptures (i.e. not divine), it still contains the Biblical message of Jesus Christ. Further, ‘the collection’ is said to explain (tafseela) The Book (alkitabi, i.e. The Holy Bible) – of which, the Holy Bible is stated to contain no doubt whatsoever in it (la rayba feehi). Finally, this ayah concludes with the admission that ‘the collection’ (i.e. fabrication) is from “allah” lord of the jinn (demons).

freeforum101.com/koranicbible

The acceptable translations for this Surah is as follows:

010.037
YUSUFALI: This Qur'an is not such as can be produced by other than Allah; on the contrary it is a confirmation of (revelations) that went before it, and a fuller explanation of the Book - wherein there is no doubt - from the Lord of the worlds.
PICKTHAL: And this Qur'an is not such as could ever be invented in despite of Allah; but it is a confirmation of that which was before it and an exposition of that which is decreed for mankind - Therein is no doubt - from the Lord of the Worlds.
SHAKIR: And this Quran is not such as could be forged by those besides Allah, but it is a verification of that which is before it and a clear explanation of the book, there is no doubt in it, from the Lord of the worlds.

Why would God send down the Quran and calls it a 'fabrication'? If there is any fabrication, it looks like it is coming from you.