Breaking the Sword of Islam

[hime]

Can non-Arab Moslems be asked the same thing?

SURE..........
since the Quran was revealed in Arabic, it has to be translated accurately from Arabic to other languages.....if not, then the translation is wrong.

no one can interpret the Quran as they want, what on earth you mean by "Acceptable to Islam and Arabs perhaps" its not like English people can take that word while French cant recognize it. I think for the Quran to be preserved and still around at the same language that it revealed with is the greatest challenge to anyone try to misinterpret.

and if NON-Arab Muslims did not accept that then they are not believe in Quran as the word of God....Then whats the point for them to be muslims!!!

If I say I like cheese, can you translate this sentence to French to be I DONT like cheese?
that does not make any sense man!

Can an English man accept Jesus Peace Be Upon him as a God while an Indian man is not just because of the translation of the same book to two different languages....they have to be very accurate in translating otherwise they will be just playing around with texts.

 

[Montalban]

SURE..........
since the Quran was revealed in Arabic, it has to be translated accurately from Arabic to other languages.....if not, then the translation is wrong.

Then you're against those Moslems here who say it can't ever be accurately translated

no one can interpret the Quran as they want, what on earth you mean by "Acceptable to Islam and Arabs perhaps" its not like English people can take that word while French cant recognize it. I think for the Quran to be preserved and still around at the same language that it revealed with is the greatest challenge to anyone try to misinterpret.

I've never said that

and if NON-Arab Muslims did not accept that then they are not believe in Quran as the word of God....Then whats the point for them to be muslims!!!

If I say I like cheese, can you translate this sentence to French to be I DONT like cheese?
that does not make any sense man!

Again, that's not what I said.

Try addressing what I wrote.

 

[canukian]

Many bright minds for Christ here. Wish to minister to Muslims? Try islamicboard.com but only email members and pose questions that make them think; do not post a thread or the moderator will take it off. Also take care to use a secure web connection, have Norton and do not use your name. God bless. I am having some success.

Try the following:

I am curious about Islam. Why does the Qur’an contradict itself? It mentions the need for witnesses in Sura 4:15 but it does not stand on this principle. Where are the testimonies of eyewitnesses that confirm what the Qur'an states? What we have is a false god who writes a story, with no one to back it up. G*d expects you and me to believe in the one who has two to three witnesses. This is the rule of witnesses. Hundreds witnessed the miracles, crucifixion, resurrection and ascension of Jesus and wrote their testimonies, (we have these testimonies in writing).

Today in the Middle East, throughout Egypt, Libya and Morocco, hundreds of Muslims are turning to Christianity and forsaking the Qur’an. Why? How? Not by evangelists; not by word of mouth; not by trickery; not by bribery; not by intellect; but by the power of G*d through Jesus Christ. Jesus is revealing Himself to them by way of dreams and visions! (Joel 2:28, Tanach)

Will the Lord reveal Himself to you? I would, Lord; reveal Yourself and turn the reader to you. And to this end, in Jesus Christ’s name, I bind all evil from hindering.

Ahmid

why use a secure web conection? be explicit. direct.

 

[ACougar]

I remember a song from my childhood, "They shall know we are Christians by our love" was a part that stuck with me... Not so much the Christian part, but the part the idea that you can see God in someone who truely loves God and his fellow man.

If you really want to "defeat" Islam your going to have to do it by loving people, not baiting them or even engaging in theological debates. Let people see God/Love in you and let God take care of the rest.

 

[humblemuslim]

I remember a song from my childhood, "They shall know we are Christians by our love" was a part that stuck with me...

If you really want to "defeat" Islam your going to have to do it by loving people, not baiting them or even engaging in theological debates. Let people see God/Love in you and let God take care of the rest.

This advice is exceptional (Generally, not only in application to Christians, but anyone).

I personally stopped in my mission to disprove Christianity and other religions and replaced it with a mission to better understand my own religion and the religions which I have attacked in the past. I wholeheartedly encourage others still in the 'attack phase' to do the same.

 

[Montalban]

I remember a song from my childhood, "They shall know we are Christians by our love" was a part that stuck with me... Not so much the Christian part, but the part the idea that you can see God in someone who truely loves God and his fellow man.

If you really want to "defeat" Islam your going to have to do it by loving people, not baiting them or even engaging in theological debates. Let people see God/Love in you and let God take care of the rest.

If you see evil going on and you don't say "That is evil" because you're worried about not seeming 'nice' then I would say you've missed the point of one major component of Christianity.

Imagine if as Nazism swept across Europe someone says "Hey folks, I don't want to judge them or anything (for fear of making them all defensive) but let's start a protest... how about we have a series of candlelight vigils, and even a letter writing campaign to the Berlin Herald".

 

[Montalban]

This advice is exceptional (Generally, not only in application to Christians, but anyone).

I personally stopped in my mission to disprove Christianity and other religions and replaced it with a mission to better understand my own religion and the religions which I have attacked in the past. I wholeheartedly encourage others still in the 'attack phase' to do the same.

There's a thread on Al-lah being beyond understanding that needs some Islamic input.

 

[peaceful soul]

I remember a song from my childhood, "They shall know we are Christians by our love" was a part that stuck with me... Not so much the Christian part, but the part the idea that you can see God in someone who truely loves God and his fellow man.

If you really want to "defeat" Islam your going to have to do it by loving people, not baiting them or even engaging in theological debates. Let people see God/Love in you and let God take care of the rest.

That sounds good in theory, but we do live in the real world where people eyes are closed; so, they may not even recognize the love and even call it evil in their eyes. Love is not in a vacuum. With love comes other things such as judgment, discipline, morals, etc. Love without boundaries will also turn into evil.

 

[humblemuslim]

There's a thread on Al-lah being beyond understanding that needs some Islamic input.

I am assuming you are referring to your unaddressed question:

Then how did he/it interact with creation in order to make his/its will known?

I have read through the thread and honestly was not sure what you were getting at with this question. That might be why the question goes unanswered, although I can only speak for myself. Possibly more elaboration in the other thread would result in the response you seek.

 

[SlaveOfGod]

I remember a song from my childhood, "They shall know we are Christians by our love" was a part that stuck with me... Not so much the Christian part, but the part the idea that you can see God in someone who truely loves God and his fellow man.

If you really want to "defeat" Islam your going to have to do it by loving people, not baiting them or even engaging in theological debates. Let people see God/Love in you and let God take care of the rest.

Define what you mean by "Love"?

 

[SiderealExalt]

As long as we want this line of reasoning, why not be fair. How about "defeat" ALL religion.

 

[canukian]

If you see evil going on and you don't say "That is evil" because you're worried about not seeming 'nice' then I would say you've missed the point of one major component of Christianity.

Imagine if as Nazism swept across Europe someone says "Hey folks, I don't want to judge them or anything (for fear of making them all defensive) but let's start a protest... how about we have a series of candlelight vigils, and even a letter writing campaign to the Berlin Herald".

and hugs! how can you stop an insane mass murderer without hugs?!

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

As long as we want this line of reasoning, why not be fair. How about "defeat" ALL religion.

I can go for that.

Can ya defeat Islam/Sharia first though, then start on Judaism and Christianity

 

[PuzzledBread]

You're using the reasoning atheists use to show all organized religion is extremely easy to discredit, and applying it to Islam, while ignoring how it applies to your own religion.

I lawled

 

[ACougar]

Define what you mean by "Love"?

A strong positive emotion of regard and affection, adoring and surrendering to the great Mystery that is God even though it is beyond our comprehension and even though we know our fellow man is flawed and imperfect in an infinite number of ways... (s)he is also a child of the Creator struggling as we struggle, worthy of Gods love and therefor our own.

 

[Montalban]

and hugs! how can you stop an insane mass murderer without hugs?!

Indeed. There's a certain misunderstanding here on Christian 'love' and in one of the "Gay" threads I'm debating at the moment.

Paul speaks of other religious practices so...
1 Corinthians 10:20
No, but the sacrifices of pagans are offered to demons, not to God, and I do not want you to be participants with demons.

By actually condemning those practices one would, assuming those ideas on 'love' that abound here are true must conclude that Paul did not act with love in saying "You are wrong to do this".

 

[humblemuslim]

Indeed. There's a certain misunderstanding here on Christian 'love' and in one of the "Gay" threads I'm debating at the moment.

Paul speaks of other religious practices so...
1 Corinthians 10:20
No, but the sacrifices of pagans are offered to demons, not to God, and I do not want you to be participants with demons.

By actually condemning those practices one would, assuming those ideas on 'love' that abound here are true must conclude that Paul did not act with love in saying "You are wrong to do this".

It is interesting you bring this point up. Do you believe this action of Paul's is in sync with what Jesus preached? More importantly, why? (Where do you gather your conclusion?)

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

It is interesting you bring this point up. Do you believe this action of Paul's is in sync with what Jesus preached? More importantly, why? (Where do you gather your conclusion?)

How was Paul not in sync with JESUS?

http://www.scripture4all.org/

Matt 23:27 "Woe to ye Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! that ye are likened to sepulchres whitewashed, who-any outwardly indeed appearing beautiful, within yet are being replete of bones of dead-ones, and of every uncleanness"

Acts 23:2 The yet Chief-priest Ananias enjoins those standing beside him to be smiting of him the mouth. 3 Then the Paul said toward him "to be smiting thee is being about the God. Wall! whitewashed!
And thou thou dost sitting judging me according to the law, and being beside law, ordering me to be being smitten!" [Matt 23:27]

 

[ACougar]

Did Jesus ever make any effort to convert Pagans? Did he give any commandment that a Pagan could not follow (even if that Pagans understanding of the Divine was less perfect than that of the Jew?) Did Jesus or God ever command that the Gentile adopt the beliefs of the Jew? Wasn't it Paul who simply said "I" do not want you to participate in what he believed to be demons or devils?

It's my opinion that a Pagan who loves God and loves his fellow man, is a better follower of Jesus than a Christian who chooses to make war on people who believe differantly.

Indeed. There's a certain misunderstanding here on Christian 'love' and in one of the "Gay" threads I'm debating at the moment.

Paul speaks of other religious practices so...
1 Corinthians 10:20
No, but the sacrifices of pagans are offered to demons, not to God, and I do not want you to be participants with demons.

By actually condemning those practices one would, assuming those ideas on 'love' that abound here are true must conclude that Paul did not act with love in saying "You are wrong to do this".

 

[humblemuslim]

How was Paul not in sync with JESUS?

This is a topic I continue to research with interest. That topic being - Is Paul consistent with Jesus in teachings. Gathering more opinions helps me decide for myself.

Thanks for the quotes.