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Bottom line: Can a Christian believe in evolution and still be saved?
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You think a creationist is going to care about any of that?
And I know plenty of Christian denominations to whom "Catholic" is a nasty word...
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True, I've run into that on this website and others for sure. They wouldn't believe anything a Catholic said no matter what it was.
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Lots of possibilities.
Bible scholars are not much for the study of ancient
languages. They are not archaeologists, whose work also
bears on biblical matters.
Or, still more obviously, there is the matter of how
literally factual the bible is.
The book itself gives little info on just what is to
be taken literally.
" Jesus is a door", well, common sense lets anyone
know he never had hinges. No special scholarship
needed there.
How about "Noah's ark"?
I dont know that bible scholars have ever worked
that out as literal or what. Have they?
If not-
Scholars in such as physics, geology, biology
etc could be consulted on that, being people with
valid information as to whether it actually happened.
Bible scholars have no qualifications at all in such
matters.
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I have no idea why you think that bible scholars do not have expertise in other areas.
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The word " scholar" applies to those with an in- depth knowledge
of a specific field of study.
If you could identify someone with a DD, and a PhD
in say geomorphology, who actively pursues both
in a scholarly way I will be most impressed.
They would be very rare if there is even one.
My point is that, for example, one could be a
dedicated scholar of the bible, and never ever
find whether the flood is historic fact that occurred
exactly as written, its just a story of unknown origin
and purpose, or, somewhere in between.
For whether there was an actual flood one has
somewhere outside whats between the covers of
a book.
If there is a bible scholar who is also a geomorphologist,
well, there's a guy with a qualified opinion about
whether the literal flood interpretation is valid.
Though there is no need to read the bible at all
to know there was no flood.
This somehow ( "I have no idea") isnt obvious?
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It's true that Bible scholars are not typically geologists. However they are typically experts in ancient languages, because that's a key part of exegesis. They aren't normally archaeologists, but many of them follow the literature in that field and have a reasonable degree of expertise.
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What?!
I get that there may not be all that many ultra-scientific Christian scholars, but surely you know there are some.
Are we living on the same planet, Estrid?
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Thats fine as long as i am not considered to be a scholar with
expertise on the bible because i read some articles.
But that is not what I was talking about.
No amount of studying he Bible alone will provide an
answer to such as whether Sodom and Gomorrah,
6 day creation, flood or Exodus really happened.
For those, one has to look outside the pages.
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Sure. I think the answer is clear that these things didn’t happen. But there are also purely literary reasons to suspect that at least some of this isn’t historical.
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Thats just it.
"Suspect" ( especially if one already knows it didnt happen)
No way to know for sure what the bible intends.
Outside sources are useful.
But- what if the authors meant all of it literally?
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Lol! Hardly.
But I'll give you three more gamma charged guesses in which to figure it out ...
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Who's that guy that has to catch that Zeta beam to go to another planet and see his girlfriend?Lol! Hardly.
But I'll give you three more gamma charged guesses in which to figure it out ...
Is it Adam Strange?
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You just had to ask me about the one DC hero that as a kid I completely skipped. Couldn't you've asked me about Superman or Batman or Captain Marvel? ...or even Alfred E. Neuman? Geez, AV!!!
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I grew up on DC comics.You just had to ask me about the one DC hero that as a kid I completely skipped. Couldn't you've asked me about Superman or Batman or Captain Marvel? ...or even Alfred E. Neuman? Geez, AV!!!
I know the 1960's JLA (Snapper Carr era) and all their names and secret identities, as well as their weaknesses.
And I can recite GL's mantra when he powers his ring up too!
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I grew up on DC comics.
I know the 1960's JLA (Snapper Carr era) and all their names and secret identities, as well as their weaknesses.
And I can recite GL's mantra when he powers his ring up too!
See, this shows our generation gap. I know the JLA "as it was" in the 1970's ... but then I ran into Spider-Man and the Hulk and my life became marvelous forever after that ...
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Sorry ... not a MC fan here.See, this shows our generation gap. I know the JLA "as it was" in the 1970's ... but then I ran into Spider-Man and the Hulk and my life became marvelous forever after that ...
Although I was partial to Spiderman, the Hulk, and the Fantastic Four.
(I went around singing the Spiderman theme song for awhile.
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