Bottom line: Can a Christian believe in evolution and still be saved?

[TLK Valentine]

Um ... I do believe the slogan is AMERICA FIRST -- not AMERICANS FIRST.

Question: Which country do you want to be first?

Afghanistan... assuming you mean alphabetically.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Obviously some of the N.T. is allegorical, Regarding "Jesus believe it" bring it on, lets talk specifics. I am not trying to tell people what they should believe, I am pointing out the facts that there are differences of opinion even among scholars as to what should be considered literal as well as what a specific scripture means.

You're trying to bring facts to people who believe that God speaks to them personally... trust me, it's been tried.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Yes, you can still be saved. The Church actually signed on to evolution.

Ah, but then the creationists will just claim the "Church" is lost and quote Matthew 7:14 to prove it.

 

[Astrid]

Obviously some of the N.T. is allegorical, Regarding "Jesus believe it" bring it on, lets talk specifics. I am not trying to tell people what they should believe, I am pointing out the facts that there are differences of opinion even among scholars as to what should be considered literal as well as what a specific scripture means.

Is ONLY the work of bible scholars to be considered?
No other scholar?

 

[AV1611VET]

No other scholar?

I've seen the work of "other scholars;" and they can take a hike.

 

[TLK Valentine]

I've seen the work of "other scholars;" and they can take a hike.

I suspect if they knew or cared about you, the feeling would be mutual.

 

[AV1611VET]

I suspect if they knew or cared about you, the feeling would be mutual.

Is that why I've got thirty times more followers than you?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Is that why I've got thirty times for followers than you?

Verily, you have your reward.

 

[AV1611VET]

Verily, you have your reward.

Thank you.

My "rewards" trump your Post 206, don't they?

 

[Astrid]

Verily, you have your reward.

Getting endless attention?

 

[rturner76]

Ah, but then the creationists will just claim the "Church" is lost and quote Matthew 7:14 to prove it.

I think The Church has accepted that not everything in the Bible is littoral.

 

[Astrid]

I think The Church has accepted that not everything in the Bible is littoral.

Most isnt.
Only a few things like walking on water
and baby Moses in the basket are.

 

[AV1611VET]

I think The Church has accepted that not everything in the Bible is littoral.

Most isnt.
Only a few things like walking on water and baby Moses in the basket are.

Yes, indeed.

Those are literal.

(Except baby Moses was in an ark, not a basket.)

 

[2PhiloVoid]

(Except baby Moses was in an ark, not a basket.)

I. for one, will say that, yes, this could be the case, and not just because I'm a Charlton Heston fan.

... although, I do have to say, too, that if we're lucky enough to be someone who reads all the way through Genesis and makes it to Exodus, then our engagement with the biblical text begins to turn on whether we are scientific MINIMALISTS, CENTRISTS or MAXIMALISTS. At that point, the interplay we think we find between the Exodus text, archaeological evidence, and our chosen hermeneutical measures (or lack thereof) affects our acceptance of what we read.

It can get quite messy, but I like to think the text reflects and represents some history, despite what the naysayers say.

I guess my literary-ness makes me a basket case where Moses is concerned.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Is that why I've got thirty times more followers than you?

What do you think this is, Twitter?

(Shakes head. Mumbling.. "Followers." Eye roll.)

 

[AV1611VET]

What do you think this is, Twitter?

206 is trumped.

 

[Hans Blaster]

206 is trumped.

I don't think Trump is very popular in area code 206.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Thank you.

My "rewards" trump your Post 206, don't they?

Depends on who you're trying to impress.

Don't worry -- you're not the first person to bluescreen when Jesus is referred to... and you won't be the last.

 

[TLK Valentine]

I think The Church has accepted that not everything in the Bible is littoral.

Obviously we're dealing with a dead, apostate "Church" unworthy of the name...

 

[rturner76]

Obviously we're dealing with a dead, apostate "Church" unworthy of the name...

That's a pretty bold statement about The Catholic Church. There are parables, instructions, history, and poetry. Many dimensions to the Bible.