Bleach

[rjmclaugh]

Renji's my favorite character by far. He's cute and funny.

 

[kfkid1]

GO BLEACH!

yeah right on i love it !

 

[kfkid1]

my favorite caracter is probobly toshiro histsugaya*


*subject to change without notification

 

[LadyNRA]

My daughter says her favorite character is Toshiro.

 

[bnolsen]

Well...I watched a bunch of episodes up through ~210 recently (minitheatre.org rocks!).
This is an interesting anime. It has its problems with moral clarity at times (like all animes seem to). It does seem to still generally point to good vs evil.
Of all the characters there I'm disapointed by Kenpachi Zaraki. This character really isn't glorified though and the Bount Arc did tell some of that story.

 

[Caedmon]

Well...I watched a bunch of episodes up through ~210 recently (minitheatre.org rocks!).
This is an interesting anime. It has its problems with moral clarity at times (like all animes seem to). It does seem to still generally point to good vs evil.
Of all the characters there I'm disapointed by Kenpachi Zaraki. This character really isn't glorified though and the Bount Arc did tell some of that story.

Moral clarity and simple Good vs. Evil are boring. Real life isn't so clear cut.

 

[solarwave]

Moral clarity and simple Good vs. Evil are boring. Real life isn't so clear cut.

Maybe Im missing something, but aren't Ichigo and gang clearly ment to be good and Aizen and gang clearly ment to be evil? Seems quite clear cut.....

I dunno lol, I suppose it is unclear whether the laws of soul society are good or not, seeing that Central 46 seem to be so unintelligent and immoral in their laws.

 

[Caedmon]

Maybe Im missing something, but aren't Ichigo and gang clearly ment to be good and Aizen and gang clearly ment to be evil? Seems quite clear cut.....

I dunno lol, I suppose it is unclear whether the laws of soul society are good or not, seeing that Central 46 seem to be so unintelligent and immoral in their laws.

I guess you could say that. It's not as ambivalent as some other anime I've watched, like Lelouch. But I wouldn't say they're necessarily operating on a western or Judeo-Christian morality.

 

[Qyöt27]

My first impulse was that it had to do with the vizard. I mean, when the Shinigami and Hollows are introduced it seems rather clear-cut which are good and which aren't. Arrancar are shown to tend to follow the same impulses as they did before removing their masks (with exceptions like Nel), but the vizard are much more conflicted. Bad guys don't need an excuse to act honorable or employ a standard of respect because it goes hand-in-hand with maintaining power, but if a good guy starts dabbling with the dark side it throws up the red flags instantly and provokes an outcry. (Nevermind that in Bleach there's a clear distinction made between Hueco Mundo and Hell and their respective inhabitants, but nevertheless...)

Just surmising. I honestly take the story for what it is, no more no less. I don't try to cull morality plays from it, nor any other anime/manga or work of fiction.

 

[bnolsen]

The vizard end up being innocent victims actually.

I guess what bothers me most about anime is that there's an underlying godlessness thats also become the norm for most western entertainment. There's no underlying belief in an all powerful, sovereign and loving God behind any of the animes I've seen.

And more than a few of the animes do try to do a bit of morality play and preaching themselves, even bleach has some of this.

So its not perfect. Bleach is still generally good vs evil and it is entertaining.

 

[solarwave]

Yh it was much more clear cut in the start when hollows were bad and shinigami were good. But now you have bad shinigami and good hollow (Nel).

How would you put God in an anime though?

 

[Sapphire Dragon]

True, but some people can see Aizen as good, Ichigo as naiive, and Soul Society as needing a significant change. Now that Central 46 is gone, though, I don't see a major need for any more change. (Note I'm actually on Ichigo & co.'s side)

And in the latest anime episode, I won't go into any details so as not to spoil anything for anyone, but one of the Shinigami stated that they have no God. So it's pretty clear cut right there.

 

[Qyöt27]

True, but some people can see Aizen as good, Ichigo as naiive, and Soul Society as needing a significant change. Now that Central 46 is gone, though, I don't see a major need for any more change. (Note I'm actually on Ichigo & co.'s side)

And in the latest anime episode, I won't go into any details so as not to spoil anything for anyone, but one of the Shinigami stated that they have no God. So it's pretty clear cut right there.

Actually, I think that was just a personal statement concerning belief in God. Aizen mentioned God (or the King, which is practically equivalent in this series, I'd say) when he defected. He quoted the purported emptiness on the Throne and his desire to be the one to fill it.

 

[solarwave]

I think the King of soul society and the God Aizen spoke of are two different things. The shinigami know there is a King, but some of not all dont believe in a God (we dont know). Azien might have been talking literally or metaphorically anyway I suppose.

 

[Mankin]

I love Bleach. Nel is one my favorite girls from Bleach(adult form FTW.)

As for the godlessness, the Spirit King could be considered a god of sorts. It really doesn't matter in my book since Bleach is fictional

 

[Jacob4Jesus]

I have recently gotten into Bleach and I really enjoy it. However, no one has mentioned my favorite character Kisuke Urahara (Mr. Hat and Clogs). First you get the mystery with him, then you get depth as you find out more about him. He is actually one of the things that I like best about any TV series. I haven't watched past season 3, and I know that most of the happenings were his fault, but I really like him and think I will be him for Halloween this year.

 

[Mankin]

Urahara is awesome. He's ten times better than that runt Toshiro.

 

[Sapphire Dragon]

Actually, I think that was just a personal statement concerning belief in God. Aizen mentioned God (or the King, which is practically equivalent in this series, I'd say) when he defected. He quoted the purported emptiness on the Throne and his desire to be the one to fill it.

That's true, you're right.

I have recently gotten into Bleach and I really enjoy it. However, no one has mentioned my favorite character Kisuke Urahara (Mr. Hat and Clogs). First you get the mystery with him, then you get depth as you find out more about him. He is actually one of the things that I like best about any TV series. I haven't watched past season 3, and I know that most of the happenings were his fault, but I really like him and think I will be him for Halloween this year.

Urahara really is awesome. Not to mention his Zanpakuto is one of my top favorites.

I love Bleach. Nel is one my favorite girls from Bleach(adult form FTW.)

As for the godlessness, the Spirit King could be considered a god of sorts. It really doesn't matter in my book since Bleach is fictional

Nel is definitely awesome. I wish she could have had more screen time. After the Final Battles, I wonder what she will do? Maybe she could team up with the other Shinigami?

And you have a very good point.

 

[Mankin]

Yes, even a cameo from Nel would improve the manga. Atm, it has really degraded in quality.

 

[Qyöt27]

Yes, even a cameo from Nel would improve the manga. Atm, it has really degraded in quality.

The single thing that I think disrupted that was when it cut back to HM a couple weeks ago - the first couple chapters were really promising. So much more could have been done with the Ichigo/Yammy fight, but it got shunted. I dunno, maybe there's a deadline or something to be had and what resulted was the easiest way to resolve that issue.

As much as the more internal-conflict stuff annoys some readers, I think Bleach is really in desperate need of it right now - otherwise it's just what it's become recently: a neverending string of powerups arriving out of the blue with no explanation as to why this is even happening. I thought it might happen during the Ulquiorra fight (twice, actually - once with Ichigo at that, um, pivotal moment, and then again for Ulquiorra's backstory), but it didn't. There was nothing to even hint at it. Not to mention that the relative strength of the characters is undergoing some major revising and not staying consistent. This was more than evident when the Ichigo/Yammy fight was cut short.

I really, really miss the spoiler tags we used to have around here. If those were still around I could actually say what I'm talking about instead of making vague references for the sake of those that haven't read the manga or haven't gotten to this point yet.