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Blackjack and Design

Discussion in 'Creation & Evolution' started by crjmurray, Apr 13, 2015.

What applies to the blackjack anecdote?

  1. The two hands were a natural occurrence.

  2. There was a designer that somehow influenced the outcome.

  3. God did it.

  4. Some sort of cheese related explanation.....

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  1. Oncedeceived

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    You may. I don't remember it has been so long ago that I chose it. :D I've even thought about changing it but I've grown attached to it now. I also like the way it looks like a butterfly and atheists are always claiming that we see patterns in things and this is an example from which they draw. Of course which has nothing to do with the appearance of design in the universe. What we "see" like this butterfly and what appears like design is nothing alike.
     
  2. sandybay

    sandybay Newbie

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    What is wrong with you?
     
  3. Oncedeceived

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    I looked at both logically and they fail. They cohesively fit into Christianity and Christianity is a logical conclusion based on the evidence we have in the universe.

    You dismiss all on illogical conclusions.
     
  4. sandybay

    sandybay Newbie

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    I see no difference in any of the religions because I know where they all came from, people made them up.

    You obviously want to believe in Christianity so you will look for things that you think will confirm that your belief is justified, there is nothing unusual or strange about that, we have all done it for many things in our lives and we will continue to do it until we die, we do it when we worry about our children being safe and we do it with the love of our partners, we look for things that will keep us believing what we want most desperately to believe, we even lie to ourselves.
     
  5. justlookinla

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    I don't understand how this is related to design.
     
  6. crjmurray

    crjmurray The Bear. Not The Bull.

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    I very clearly stated that if you don't understand blackjack then there's no point in trying to explain anything about this scenario. Suits do not matter in blackjack (unless your casino offers side bets). Blackjack is not played with a single deck it's played with four (this has no impact on the math but I'm seeing a lot of single deck discussion).
     
  7. Willtor

    Willtor Not just any Willtor... The Mighty Willtor

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    This is getting a bit away from cards and the forum topic, but it's a very broad and bald assertion, so I'ma keep it going unless crjmurray gets angry that his thread is being derailed...

    I'm a Christian, but I see differences between all of the religions I've studied. I'm singularly impressed that you don't see any differences and that you know where they all came from. Can you talk more about this?

    This argument is unassailable, of course, almost to the point of being a meaningless platitude.
     
  8. sandybay

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    Of course there are differences but the bottom line is true for all of them, they are all made up.
    Do you believe all of the other religions are true or are they just made up?
    It's unassailable because it's true, we are what we are and we can not just believe anything, if we want to believe something that we would normally not believe we must fight to believe it, we will even tell ourselves lies in order to believe it.
    You do not want the truth and you will fight tooth and nail not to hear it or see it, that is quite normal, you want with all your heart and soul for their to be a God, not only a God but the Christian God because that is the God you were either raised to believe in or want to believe in and you are not doing anything that is in the least bit unusual, billions of people do it every day all over the world, that does not mean that what they all try to do is true, in fact even you will agree that at best only some of them can possibly be right, unfortunately you would irrationally put yourself among the ones who are right never for a moment thinking that they could all be wrong.
     
  9. Willtor

    Willtor Not just any Willtor... The Mighty Willtor

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    No.

    I don't think there's one catch-all answer that applies to all religions, or even one catch-all answer for all teachings within a single religion. Sometimes I think something is likely true, and I don't have a problem with it. Sometimes I think it is likely wrong based on an error in reasoning or an observation of something that was not well-understood. Sometimes I think a thing is based on an error that I could see myself making if I were lacking knowledge from other sources. Sometimes I think an idea is culturally evolved and possibly bears some (but likely little) correspondence to the original thing. Sometimes it occurs to me that it is a misunderstanding on the part of myself and the culture in which I was raised -- that what someone wrote was not well suited to the categories in which I think -- and what may be popular, today, is not fundamentally like the what was believed at the time it was written. Sometimes I think it's flat-out wrong, based on faulty cosmology.

    And, on very rare occassions, I think it is "just made up." But I see that your scholarly study has led you to this conclusion on all points in all religions. Perhaps you are right, and I am just accepting ideas for the sake of my own comfort.

    It's unassailable because it's true. It's almost a meaningless platitude because it applies to everybody, and everybody knows it.

    This, however, is total nonsense, and, frankly, it looks a bit like projection.
     
  10. sandybay

    sandybay Newbie

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    That is the way you dismiss everything that you not or will not confront, that is the standard response so nothing new there, dismissal is the easy way out if you do not allow yourself to think, that or walk away.
     
  11. Willtor

    Willtor Not just any Willtor... The Mighty Willtor

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    I say it looks like projection because I actually do concern myself with where I might be wrong. The first point you had made about not wanting to change (to adopt or remove a belief) is obviously true and something that I fight within myself.

    You, however... I will point observers your profound refutation of all religions.
     
  12. Oncedeceived

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    I agree.
     
  13. Oncedeceived

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    I understand that one from the outside looking in it might very well appear that way. It is I believe meant to persuade you to believe that very thing.

    This too is something that makes the most sense to someone who has had no interaction with God. It is easy to dismiss something you have had no experience with. I didn't believe "Christian things" until I became a Christian which came after experiencing God. My experience is confirmed all the time by a multitude of difference areas of existence.
     
  14. sandybay

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    You say this knowing that millions and millions of people say the exact same things about a hundred different Gods.
    This is perhaps the strangest thing about religions I just do not understand, it makes no sense whatsoever to me.

    What do think about the millions and millions of people who lived in the past who worshipped Gods that now no one worships? was it all a complete waste of time and effort? you must think it was because they did not worship the same God you now worship so they all went to hell, I am obviously wired differently to you.

    Because the holy spirit passed me by I can happily say "I'm an atheist thank God".
     
  15. Loudmouth

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    In which situation is there ever a need to invoke God? Can you name a single observed process in nature where God is the verified cause?

    We are no the ones who have to disprove the cosmic teapot.
     
  16. AV1611VET

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    QV please:
    Oh, wait!

    You said 'verified'!

    That means it has to pass science inspection.

    Sorry! My bad!
     
  17. selfinflikted

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    Really, AV? You REALLY think that storms and other natural disasters are a result of god's wrath?
     
  18. Loudmouth

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    Yes, I mean verified, as in "more than just your say so".
     
  19. AV1611VET

    AV1611VET BELIEVE IN MIRACLES Supporter

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    Not EVERY storm.

    Just the ones He sends.

    Psalm 83:15 So persecute them with thy tempest, and make them afraid with thy storm.
     
  20. selfinflikted

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    That's some real Pat Robertson-esque thinking you got going there, man. Disappointing.
     
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