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This from the Jerusalem post. It seems some Jews agree with the title of this thread.

‘Trump’s election heralds coming of Messiah’ says Deri

By JEREMY SHARON
11/10/2016
Deri: “If such a miracle like this can happen we have already reached the days of the Messiah, therefore we are really in the era of the birth pangs of the Messiah."
Shas chairman and Interior Minister Arye Deri said Thursday that Donald Trump’s election could herald the coming of the Messiah due to the blow he expects the next president will strike against the “non-Orthodox Jewish hold on the US government.”

“There is no doubt that one can give thanks to God that all those who have damned the [Jewish] covenant and would wipe out Judaism, thinking they could take control over the Land of Israel here and lead reforms in order to cause destruction received their blow,” Deri said during an address to the local religious council of Ashdod.

“Their influence and the great threat they posed to us because they held [control over] the US government...

They understand that this power has disappeared and we can continue, God willing, to strengthen traditional religion and Judaism, transmitted down to us from generation to generation.”

Trump’s election, he added, presages the coming of the Messianic Age.

“If such a miracle can happen, we have already reached the days of the Messiah. Therefore, we are really in the era of the birth pangs of the Messiah when everything has been flipped to the good of the Jewish people.”
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This from the Jerusalem post. It seems some Jews agree with the title of this thread.

‘Trump’s election heralds coming of Messiah’ says Deri

By JEREMY SHARON
11/10/2016
Deri: “If such a miracle like this can happen we have already reached the days of the Messiah, therefore we are really in the era of the birth pangs of the Messiah."
Shas chairman and Interior Minister Arye Deri said Thursday that Donald Trump’s election could herald the coming of the Messiah due to the blow he expects the next president will strike against the “non-Orthodox Jewish hold on the US government.”

“There is no doubt that one can give thanks to God that all those who have damned the [Jewish] covenant and would wipe out Judaism, thinking they could take control over the Land of Israel here and lead reforms in order to cause destruction received their blow,” Deri said during an address to the local religious council of Ashdod.

“Their influence and the great threat they posed to us because they held [control over] the US government...

They understand that this power has disappeared and we can continue, God willing, to strengthen traditional religion and Judaism, transmitted down to us from generation to generation.”

Trump’s election, he added, presages the coming of the Messianic Age.

“If such a miracle can happen, we have already reached the days of the Messiah. Therefore, we are really in the era of the birth pangs of the Messiah when everything has been flipped to the good of the Jewish people.”
http://www.jpost.com/printarticle.aspx?id=472282

Good find Handmaid, and it's correct. Netanyahu is elated right now. I'm not a Trump fan and wanted Clinton to win but after some recent research I realized Trump is heavily pro Israel and plans to do more for Israel than any past presidents and yet he's also very much anti Iran.

I think the turning point of his campaign could have been two months ago when he promised to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital instead of Tel Aviv. That's a fulfillment of prophecy once Jerusalem becomes Israel's capital again.

Politics: With Trump victory, has Netanyahu won the lottery?

http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Benjamin-Netanyahu/Politics-Has-Netanyahu-won-the-lottery-472316



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Complete List of the Trump Campaign’s Promises to Israel


“For those of you who are true friends of the State of Israel, and for those of you who believe that the State of Israel and the United States of America have an unbreakable friendship, we urge you to read the below.”

1. The unbreakable bond between the United States and Israel is based upon shared values of democracy, freedom of speech, respect for minorities, cherishing life, and the opportunity for all citizens to pursue their dreams.

2. Israel is the state of the Jewish people, who have lived in that land for 3,500 years. The State of Israel was founded with courage and determination by great men and women against enormous odds and is an inspiration to people everywhere who value freedom and human dignity.

3. Israel is a staunch ally of the U.S. and a key partner in the global war against Islamic jihadism. Military cooperation and coordination between Israel and the U.S. must continue to grow.

4. The American people value our close friendship and alliance with Israel — culturally, religiously, and politically. While other nations have required U.S. troops to defend them, Israelis have always defended their own country by themselves and only ask for military equipment assistance and diplomatic support to do so. The U.S. does not need to nation-build in Israel or send troops to defend Israel.

5. The Memorandum of Understanding signed by the American and Israeli Governments is a good first step, but there is much more to be done. A Trump Administration will ensure that Israel receives maximum military, strategic and tactical cooperation from the United States, and the MOU will not limit the support that we give. Further, Congress will not be limited to give support greater than that provided by the MOU if it chooses to do so. Israel and the United States benefit tremendously from what each country brings to the table — the relationship is a two way street.

6. The U.S. should veto any United Nations votes that unfairly single out Israel and will work in international institutions and forums, including in our relations with the European Union, to oppose efforts to delegitimize Israel, impose discriminatory double standards against Israel, or to impose special labeling requirements on Israeli products or boycotts on Israeli goods.

7. The U.S. should cut off funds for the UN Human Rights Council, a body dominated by countries presently run by dictatorships that seems solely devoted to slandering the Jewish State. UNESCO’s attempt to disconnect the State of Israel from Jerusalem is a one-sided attempt to ignore Israel’s 3,000-year bond to its capital city, and is further evidence of the enormous anti-Israel bias of the United Nations.

8. The U.S. should view the effort to boycott, divest from, and sanction (BDS) Israel as inherently anti-Semitic and take strong measures, both diplomatic and legislative, to thwart actions that are intended to limit commercial relations with Israel, or persons or entities doing business in Israeli areas, in a discriminatory manner. The BDS movement is just another attempt by the Palestinians to avoid having to commit to a peaceful co-existence with Israel. The false notion that Israel is an occupier should be rejected.

9. The Trump administration will ask the Justice Department to investigate coordinated attempts on college campuses to intimidate students who support Israel.

10. A two-state solution between Israel and the Palestinians appears impossible as long as the Palestinians are unwilling to renounce violence against Israel or recognize Israel’s right to exist as a Jewish state. Additionally, the Palestinians are divided between PA rule in the West Bank and Hamas rule in Gaza so there is not a united Palestinian people who could control a second state. Hamas is a US-designated terrorist organization that actively seeks Israel’s destruction. We will seek to assist the Israelis and the Palestinians in reaching a comprehensive and lasting peace, to be freely and fairly negotiated between those living in the region.

11. The Palestinian leadership, including the PA, has undermined any chance for peace with Israel by raising generations of Palestinian children on an educational program of hatred of Israel and Jews. The larger Palestinian society is regularly taught such hatred on Palestinian television, in the Palestinian press, in entertainment media, and in political and religious communications. The two major Palestinian political parties — Hamas and Fatah — regularly promote anti-Semitism and jihad.

13. The U.S. cannot support the creation of a new state where terrorism is financially incentivized, terrorists are celebrated by political parties and government institutions, and the corrupt diversion of foreign aid is rampant. The U.S. should not support the creation of a state that forbids the presence of Christian or Jewish citizens, or that discriminates against people on the basis of religion.

14. The U.S. should support direct negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians without preconditions, and will oppose all Palestinian, European and other efforts to bypass direct negotiations between parties in favor of an imposed settlement. Any solutions imposed on Israel by outside parties including by the United Nations Security Council, should be opposed. We support Israel’s right and obligation to defend itself against terror attacks upon its people and against alternative forms of warfare being waged upon it legally, economically, culturally, and otherwise.

15. Israel’s maintenance of defensible borders that preserve peace and promote stability in the region is a necessity. Pressure should not be put on Israel to withdraw to borders that make attacks and conflict more likely.

16. The U.S. will recognize Jerusalem as the eternal and indivisible capital of the Jewish state and Mr. Trump’s Administration will move the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem.

17. Despite the Iran Nuclear deal in 2015, the U.S. State Department recently designated Iran, yet again, as the leading state sponsor of terrorism — putting the Middle East particularly, but the whole world at risk by financing, arming, and training terrorist groups operating around the world including Hamas, Hezbollah, and forces loyal to Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. The U.S. must counteract Iran’s ongoing violations of the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action regarding Iran’s quest for nuclear weapons and their noncompliance with past and present sanctions, as well as the agreements they signed, and implement tough, new sanctions when needed to protect the world and Iran’s neighbors from its continuing nuclear and non-nuclear threats.


http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/complete-list-of-the-trump-campaigns-promises-to-israel/2016/11/09/






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Daniel 2:20 Daniel answered and said, Blessed be the name of God for ever and ever: for wisdom and might are his:

21 And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding:

Trump won because God wanted him to. With all of Trump’s faults and there were many he couldn’t compare with the evil of the Clinton’s, IMO.
 
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I hope Trump keeps his promises to Israel. I agree brother Postview that he won because God wanted him to win. That is the same sentiment I had about the double wins of President Obama that I could not get a lot of Christians to see. I even used the same verse from Daniel that Postview used here.The prophesies of the endtimes will come to pass no matter who is the President, King/Queen, Prime Minister or Dictator.
 
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I hope Trump keeps his promises to Israel. I agree brother Postview that he won because God wanted him to win. That is the same sentiment I had about the double wins of President Obama that I could not get a lot of Christians to see. I even used the same verse from Daniel that Postview used here.The prophesies of the endtimes will come to pass no matter who is the President, King/Queen, Prime Minister or Dictator.

Oh absolutely, God is in complete control. And He will accomplish 70 years in the desolation of Jerusalem before the temple is built and Jerusalem expands, Daniel 9:2, Daniel 9:26b, Zechariah 2:2-4.










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I was lazy yesterday and thought I would post the remaining information today instead. The good news is new news came out today too.

Here's how Trump's victory indirectly ties into bible prophecy. Two of the biggest prophecies that has to happen just before Daniel's 70th week commences are a 3rd temple must be present in Jerusalem. No temple yet, no tribulation yet. It's that simple.

The book of Haggai tells us when the construction of the 3rd temple will be built, the day and month. The only thing he left out is the year. However, the year is given in many other parts of the bible.

The other thing that must happen just before the tribulation starts is Jerusalem must be completely owned by the Jewish people, not just occupied and not half and half under some sharing agreement a la the Oslo Accord. If the current temple mount isn't completely owned by the Jews, they can't build on top of it. That's why there's been talks of building the temple on the mount but of to the side away from the dome of the rock. The Jews desperately want to build the temple but there's been setbacks.

When Daniel's 70th week commences, it'll be exactly as it left off just prior to the destruction of 70 AD when the Jewish people owned all of Jerusalem and it being it's capital and had a temple in their midst. The tribulation will not begin without the construction of a temple in place and without Jerusalem recognized by the international committee and the Palestinians as it's capital. It'll l resume exactly as it left off 2000 years ago.

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By the way, just an off topic here. Anyone noticed why it ended in 70 AD? Not 33 AD, not 40 AD, not 50 AD, not 60 AD. Happened exactly at 70 AD.

God will accomplish 70 years in the desolation of Jerusalem, Daniel 9:2, Daniel 9:26b, Zechariah 2:2-4. There's a purpose why He doing this. God is doing exactly as He did with the kingdom of Israel (descendants of the 10 tribes) today as He did around 600 BC with the kingdom of Judah (Tribe of Judah, Benjamin and Levi) causing them to serve their 70 years in Babylon also.

If you look at the prophecies of where God will gather the descendants from the kingdom of Israel(the 10 lost tribes), the bible listed all the locations in the middle east.

Isaiah 11:11-12 King James Version (KJV)
11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.
12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

He's already brought them back into the Middle East but He will not let them return to the Holy Land yet till they also serve their time, 70 years in Babylon to be disciplined. Ezekiel 20:33-44 and Isaiah 65:1-16 are prophecies about the descendants of Israel (not Judah) and their time in this 70 year captivity.

Ezekiel 20:33-44 Good News Translation (GNT)
33 “As surely as I, the Sovereign Lord, am the living God, I warn you that in my anger I will rule over you with a strong hand, with all my power. 34 I will show you my power and my anger when I gather you together and bring you back from all the countries where you have been scattered. 35 I will bring you into the ‘Desert of the Nations,’ and there I will condemn you to your face. 36 I will now condemn you just as I condemned your ancestors in the Sinai Desert,” says the Sovereign Lord.

37 “I will take firm control of you and make you obey my covenant. 38 I will take away from among you those who are rebellious and sinful. I will take them out of the lands where they are living now, but I will not let them return to the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the Lord.”

Amazingly. look what the bible said in Isaiah 65:15. If you read the whole chapter, it's telling you the people of Judah will use the name Israel and be a curse to others.

Isaiah 65:15 Good News Translation (GNT)
My chosen people will use your name as a curse. I, the Sovereign Lord, will put you to death. But I will give a new name to those who obey me.

Isn't the current nation of Israel not true Israel and are the descendants of the kingdom of Judah? And isn't the nation of Israel currently a heavy stone in the Middle east?

But anyways, they're already in the Middle East but just not yet allowed to enter Israel till after their 70 years are completed also.

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Now this is where Trump comes into the picture. Trump is by far the most prominent advocate of Israel by far of any past president in America. Trump wants Jerusalem to be recognized as Israel's capital. Trump wants a one-state solution. Trump wants Israel to occupy more settlements in the West bank. Trump wants peace in the Middle east for Israel. And the list goes on and on as he plans to do more for Israel than any other past US president.

President Trump: The most pro Israel president ever?
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-...be-the-most-pro-israel-president-ever/8021034

Israeli minister: Donald Trump's win means the Palestinians will never have their own state
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ald-trumps-win-means-the-palestinians-will-n/

Trump has 'every intention' of recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's capital
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/09/israel-donald-trump-netanyahu-jerusalem

Trump doesn’t see Israeli land grab as ‘obstacle for peace’ with Palestine – adviser
https://www.rt.com/news/366388-trump-israel-palestine-settlements/

Trump: Israeli-Palestinian peace would be 'the ultimate deal'
Trump says he'd like to make peace in Middle East, 'and do it for humanity's sake.'
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/220169

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But it doesn't stop here. Here's the bomb, the big kicker.

Two days ago when Trump won, he was contacted by the Nascent Sanhedrin requesting him to work with Vladimir Putin to rebuild the 3rd Temple. Amazingly, Putin already has interest in the rebuilding of the 3rd temple.

So now we could potentially have the leaders of the two superpowers also pushing for the construction of the 3rd temple in the near future. And we already know the Israelis wants to build the temple as soon as the dome of the rock is removed. This is the only obstacle.

BIN EXCLUSIVE: Sanhedrin Asks Putin and Trump to Build Third Temple in Jerusalem
http://www.breakingisraelnews.com/7...d-third-temple-jerusalem/#F884FKVkjXfMFgUE.97

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There's at least six scriptures in the old testament that reveals the tribulation to occur after 70 years. I'll just cover one of the scripture as it'll get extremely lengthy and complicated to explain them all.

Jeremiah 25 New King James Version (NKJV)
Seventy Years of Desolation
25 The word that came to Jeremiah concerning all the people of Judah, in the fourth year of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah, king of Judah (which was the first year of Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon), 2 which Jeremiah the prophet spoke to all the people of Judah and to all the inhabitants of Jerusalem, saying: 3 “From the thirteenth year of Josiah the son of Amon, king of Judah, even to this day, this is the twenty-third year in which the word of the Lord has come to me; and I have spoken to you, rising early and speaking, but you have not listened. 4 And the Lord has sent to you all His servants the prophets, rising early and sending them,but you have not listened nor inclined your ear to hear. 5 They said, ‘Repent now everyone of his evil way and his evil doings, and dwell in the land that the Lord has given to you and your fathers forever and ever. 6 Do not go after other gods to serve them and worship them, and do not provoke Me to anger with the works of your hands; and I will not harm you.’ 7 Yet you have not listened to Me,” says the Lord, “that you might provoke Me to anger with the works of your hands to your own hurt.

8 “Therefore thus says the Lord of hosts: ‘Because you have not heard My words, 9 behold, I will send and take all the families of the north,’ says the Lord, ‘and Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon, My servant, and will bring them against this land, against its inhabitants, and against these nations all around, and will utterly destroy them, and make them an astonishment, a hissing, and perpetual desolations. 10 Moreover I will take from them the voice of mirth and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom and the voice of the bride, the sound of the millstones and the light of the lamp. 11 And this whole land shall be a desolation and an astonishment, and these nations shall serve the king of Babylon seventy years.

12 ‘Then it will come to pass, when seventy years are completed, that I will punish the king of Babylon and that nation, the land of the Chaldeans, for their iniquity,’ says the Lord; ‘and I will make it a perpetual desolation. 13 So I will bring on that land all My words which I have pronounced against it, all that is written in this book, which Jeremiah has prophesied concerning all the nations. 14 (For many nations and great kings shall be served by them also; and I will repay them according to their deeds and according to the works of their own hands.)’”

Judgment on the Nations
15 For thus says the Lord God of Israel to me: “Take this wine cup of fury from My hand, and cause all the nations, to whom I send you, to drink it. 16 And they will drink and stagger and go mad because of the sword that I will send among them.”

17 Then I took the cup from the Lord’s hand, and made all the nations drink, to whom the Lord had sent me: 18 Jerusalem and the cities of Judah, its kings and its princes, to make them a desolation, an astonishment, a hissing, and a curse, as it is this day; 19 Pharaoh king of Egypt, his servants, his princes, and all his people; 20 all the mixed multitude, all the kings of the land of Uz, all the kings of the land of the Philistines (namely, Ashkelon, Gaza, Ekron, and the remnant of Ashdod); 21 Edom, Moab, and the people of Ammon; 22 all the kings of Tyre, all the kings of Sidon, and the kings of the coastlands which are across the sea; 23 Dedan, Tema, Buz, and all who are in the farthest corners; 24 all the kings of Arabia and all the kings of the mixed multitude who dwell in the desert; 25 all the kings of Zimri, all the kings of Elam, and all the kings of the Medes; 26 all the kings of the north, far and near, one with another; and all the kingdoms of the world which are on the face of the earth. Also the king of Sheshach shall drink after them.

27 “Therefore you shall say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel: “Drink, be drunk, and vomit! Fall and rise no more, because of the sword which I will send among you.”’ 28 And it shall be, if they refuse to take the cup from your hand to drink, then you shall say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord of hosts: “You shall certainly drink! 29 For behold, I begin to bring calamity on the city which is called by My name, and should you be utterly unpunished? You shall not be unpunished, for I will call for a sword on all the inhabitants of the earth,” says the Lord of hosts.’

30 “Therefore prophesy against them all these words, and say to them:

‘The Lord will roar from on high,
And utter His voice from His holy habitation;
He will roar mightily against His fold.
He will give a shout, as those who tread the grapes,
Against all the inhabitants of the earth.
31 A noise will come to the ends of the earth—
For the Lord has a controversy with the nations;
He will plead His case with all flesh.
He will give those who are wicked to the sword,’
says the Lord.”

32 Thus says the Lord of hosts:

“Behold, disaster shall go forth
From nation to nation,
And a great whirlwind shall be raised up
From the farthest parts of the earth.


33 And at that day the slain of the Lord shall be from one end of the earth even to the other end of the earth. They shall not be lamented, or gathered, or buried; they shall become refuse on the ground.

34 “Wail, shepherds, and cry!
Roll about in the ashes,
You leaders of the flock!
For the days of your slaughter and your dispersions are fulfilled;
You shall fall like a precious vessel.
35 And the shepherds will have no way to flee,
Nor the leaders of the flock to escape.
36 A voice of the cry of the shepherds,
And a wailing of the leaders to the flock will be heard.
For the Lord has plundered their pasture,
37 And the peaceful dwellings are cut down
Because of the fierce anger of the Lord.
38 He has left His lair like the lion;
For their land is desolate
Because of the fierceness of the Oppressor,
And because of His fierce anger.”

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jer 25&version=NKJV

In Jeremiah 25, the bible reveals God will begin His destruction upon the world after 70 years are completed in Babylon. The tribulation begins after 70 years.

In the new testament, Jesus said the same thing. Keep an eye on the fig tree, all the signs will take place within a generation (70 years), than heaven and earth will pass away (the tribulation).

A generation is 70 years. Christ wasn't talking about a peer group of people. He was telling us how long it will be from the budding of the fig tree till the tribulation (heaven and earth passing away).

Matthew 24:32-35 New King James Version (NKJV)
32 “Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near. 33 So you also, when you see all these things, know that is near—at the doors! 34 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.

And Jesus used the same words when He prophesised the destruction of 70 AD: generation and desolation, saying the temple will be left in ruins after 70 years (a generation). The prophet Daniel used the same word, before the end of it all, desolations will be determined and God will accomplish 70 years in the desolation of Jerusalem, meaning without a temple

Matthew 23:36-38 New King James Version (NKJV)
36 Assuredly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.
37 “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! 38 See! Your house is left to you desolate;

So when will it begin? It ended after 70 years in the first century. It'll resume exactly the way it ended with Jerusalem being it's capital, and a temple being built after 70 years.


One other thing, after 70 years is not when Christ returns to earth. Many people make this common mistake. If Christ returns after 70 years, that would mean the tribulation begins after 63 years. 63 is not a significant prophetic number and nowhere mentioned in bible prophesy.

The tribulation begins after 70 years. Christ returns to earth in 70 years + 7 years (for the tribulation) = 77 years.

So it's 70 (period of desolation and exile) + 7 (period of Daniel's 70th week) = 77.

Not 70 - 7 = 63.

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One other thing, LOL.

When God gathers the exile descendants from the house of Israel back to the holy land after being scattered 2800 years ago by the Assyrians, it'll happen exactly the same way how God gathered the exiles of Judah 2600 years ago by luring them back to Israel to finish reconstructing the temple. Once the foundation is laid, God will let them return.

Okay I said enough.....and probably lost everyone by now.














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21 And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding:

That's not the correct scripture addressing Trump. He's not wise with knowledge and understanding, he's a cutthroat warlord without morals or ethics who fires at anyone in his way from getting what he wants and is suited with Isaiah 19:4.

Isaiah 19:4
And the Egyptians will I give over into the hand of a cruel lord; and a fierce king shall rule over them, saith the Lord, the LORD of hosts.

God didn't put Trump in office for America's benefit, He did it for Israel's. Israel will greatly benefit but American will continue to spiral downward even further under Trump.

Daniel 2:20-21, Proverbs 8:15 and Romans 13:1 describes kings like David and Solomon.










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That's not the correct scripture addressing Trump. He's not wise with knowledge and understanding, he's a cutthroat warlord without morals or ethics who fires at anyone in his way from getting what he wants and is suited with Isaiah 19:4.

Isaiah 19:4
And the Egyptians will I give over into the hand of a cruel lord; and a fierce king shall rule over them, saith the Lord, the LORD of hosts.

God didn't put Trump in office for America's benefit, He did it for Israel's. Israel will greatly benefit but American will continue to spiral downward even further under Trump.

Daniel 2:20-21, Proverbs 8:15 and Romans 13:1 describes kings like David and Solomon.










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That's not the correct scripture addressing Trump. He's not wise with knowledge and understanding, he's a cutthroat warlord without morals or ethics who fires at anyone in his way from getting what he wants and is suited with Isaiah 19:4.

I disagree, your political bias is showing through. How can one be a success at business without wisdom and knowledge? I am not even trying to say Trump was a born again saint that could do no wrong. I am saying he was wise enough to seek the council and support of the evangelicals, his opponent was not, he was wise enough to state the correct position on abortion his opponent was not, he was wise enough to select Supreme Court candidates that will preserve the constitution of this nation his opponent was not. God looks at the heart and potential. Look at the mistakes in judgment some of his past choices made Noah, David I could go on. God installs leaders, not always Godly leaders, but always leaders to fulfill His purposes.

I believe Isaiah 19:4 more suites the last 8 years and would have applied to a future 4 or 8 had the opposition won.

God didn't put Trump in office for America's benefit,

I disagree; I am convinced this nation would have been over in short order had it turned out differently. We still have a battle ahead, just listen again to the concession speech and then look in the streets at the spoiled brats some of which are paid to act like heathen, and tell me if you don’t see a disconnect.

He did it for Israel's. Israel will greatly benefit but American will continue to spiral downward even further under Trump.

I agree on Israel, but I believe America might have just been given one last chance allowing more time for repentance.


For me personally the two main factors in my vote were Supreme Court nominees and the stand on abortion. IMHO opinion a God fearing Christian only had one choice. Now if a believer wants to debate the merits of killing babies at full term or any other time I’m all in, not to mention the Godlessness of other liberal positions. We may just have to agree to disagree again here.
 
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I disagree, your political bias is showing through. How can one be a success at business without wisdom and knowledge? I am not even trying to say Trump was a born again saint that could do no wrong. I am saying he was wise enough to seek the council and support of the evangelicals, his opponent was not, he was wise enough to state the correct position on abortion his opponent was not, he was wise enough to select Supreme Court candidates that will preserve the constitution of this nation his opponent was not. God looks at the heart and potential. Look at the mistakes in judgment some of his past choices made Noah, David I could go on. God installs leaders, not always Godly leaders, but always leaders to fulfill His purposes.

Yeah that's what you're saying today but here's what you also said yesterday.

With all of Trump’s faults and there were many
With all of Trump’s faults and there were many

Personal views and reality are two different things. Your inconsistency shows the value of your opinion.

I disagree, your political bias is showing through. How can one be a success at business without wisdom and knowledge?

Easy, he inherited his money from his father who was the real self made real estate mogul billionaire.

And you must not knew about Donald's many business investments that went into chapter 11 bankruptcy protection do you?

Nor the fact that his investment returns underperformed the market indexes the past 30 plus years in a period where all three major indexes
experienced some of the worst crashes in history.

And the list goes on and on. I can probably post at least 10 full pages of information about Trump's bad past business failures and other unethical scandals.
Here's just one. You can read more in the link below.

Given their number and scale, it can be difficult to keep track of all of Donald Trump’s many scandals and debacles. And so, for those whose heads are still spinning, here is a comprehensive roundup of the man’s disastrous record:

1973: THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE’S RACIAL-BIAS CASE AGAINST TRUMP’S REAL-ESTATE COMPANY

Trump Management Inc. was accused of discriminating against minorities seeking housing at the company’s properties in Brooklyn and Queens. Two government-sanctioned undercover “testers,” one black woman and one white woman, posed as potential renters in 1972. The black woman was told nothing was available, but a short while later the white woman was offered a choice between two available Trump apartments. Federal investigators found that Trump employees marked applications from minorities with codes and allegedly steered blacks and Puerto Ricans away from buildings with majority-white tenants. DOJ lawyers filed a case in 1973 accusing Trump Management, along with Trump and his father, Fred C. Trump, of violating the Fair Housing Act of 1968. Trump claimed he didn’t want the government to force him to rent to welfare recipients. Eventually he and his father reluctantly agreed to the judge’s order to place ads in local newspapers proclaiming their properties equally open to minorities. Trump Management also had to agree to end discriminatory practices, and he and his father had to “thoroughly acquaint themselves” with the Fair Housing Act.

1983–1985: NEW JERSEY GENERALS, A FAILED U.S. FOOTBALL LEAGUE TEAM

Before Trump bought the New Jersey Generals of the USFL, the league briefly enjoyed some attention in its 1982 inaugural season. But near the year’s end, that attention flagged. Trump purchased the Generals in 1983 for a reported $9 million. But the league lost $30 million by the fall. Trump’s Generals improved their winning record the following year, but the league continued to struggle financially. In a bid to attract attention, Trump lobbied to move USFL games to the fall to compete directly with the NFL (the USFL had played its season in the spring specifically to avoid the more established National Football League). The NFL commanded the TV networks, however, so with Trump’s lawyers, the league filed a $1.69 billion antitrust and monopoly lawsuit against the NFL. The jury ruled that the NFL had a monopoly, but also that the USFL contributed to its downfall with overspending. The jury awarded the USFL $3 — yes, three dollars — in damages, and the league folded.

1988–1992: TRUMP AIRLINES

Trump obtained a $380 million loan from 22 small banks in order to acquire a profitable division of the shaky Eastern Airlines. The division became Trump Airlines, officially named Trump Shuttle, Inc., and it never earned a profit. Trump defaulted on his loans in 1990. As owner, he invested in flashy technology and his signature luxury décor for the airplanes, while disregarding the real needs of his customers and falling victim to the high price of jet fuel during the first Iraq War. Trump Airlines ceased operation in April 1992.

1989–1990: TRUMP: THE GAME (BOARD GAME) (REVIVED IN 2005)

Milton Bradley joined Trump to release “Trump: The Game.” Players’ goal is to make the best real-estate deals. The game undersold in its first year, but Trump justified its rerelease 15 years later with the success of the Trump-helmed The Apprentice reality-TV show.

1990: FAILURE TO PAY CONTRACTORS FOR TAJ MAHAL HOTEL AND CASINO

While Trump spent $1 million every week on extravagant personal expenses, he cheated builders out of more than $60 million for work on his Atlantic City, N.J., property. The team of construction firms and suppliers that built the Taj Mahal hotel and casino struggled to overcome their losses, with some firms approaching bankruptcy: Marty Rosenberg, then–vice president of Atlantic Plate Glass, said Trump owed his company about $1.5 million in late payments for a glass job on the hotel. Rosenberg formed a committee of construction firms and suppliers defrauded by Trump. He then helped lead the committee’s efforts to procure from Trump what he owed them. Atlantic Plate Glass lost almost half a million dollars in the settlement, and Rosenberg suffered personal financial loss. Trump inveigled Rosenberg and the committee into accepting 20 cents on the dollar of their original agreement. The settlement allowed Trump to dodge an involuntary-bankruptcy lawsuit, but months later he filed for the first of his four bankruptcies.

1991: TRUMP PLAZA’S VIOLATION OF ANTI-DISCRIMINATION LAWS IN ORDER TO PLEASE TRUMP’S MAFIA-CONNECTED PAL

Robert LiButti, a famous horse breeder, was banned from New Jersey casinos after his connection to Mafia boss John Gotti was revealed. LiButti’s daughter Edith Creamer said her father and Trump had been comrades: gambling buddies, flying together in Trump’s helicopter, and partying on his yacht. New Jersey state regulators discovered their relationship while investigating allegations by nine Trump Plaza employees that the hotel had booted blacks and women from craps tables after LiButti complained about them. Trump Plaza was fined $200,000 for violating state anti-discrimination laws. Trump claimed he barely knew LiButti, but Creamer maintained that she flew in Trump’s helicopter and partied on his yacht with him and her father.

1991, 1992, 2004, AND 2009: TRUMP’S FOUR BANKRUPTCIES First bankruptcy:

Banks that had financed Trump’s real-estate investments bailed him out with $65 million in additional loans and credit. Nevertheless, nine months later, with Trump nearly $4 billion in debt, he filed for bankruptcy for his Taj Mahal casino. Second bankruptcy: Trump was personally leveraged to almost $1 billion. Third bankruptcy: Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts filed for bankruptcy. Trump paid $72 million out of pocket. Fourth bankruptcy: The same company, renamed Trump Entertainment Resorts Inc., filed for bankruptcy again. RELATED: Trump, Lies, and Bankruptcy

1977–1992, 1992–1999: TRUMP’S TWO DIVORCES AND ADULTERY

Trump’s marriage to Ivana Zelníčková ended after his affair with actress Marla Maples was discovered. He then married Maples, and divorced her seven years later, before marrying current wife Melania in 2005. Trump has also repeatedly bragged about sleeping with married women.

2005–2011: TRUMP UNIVERSITY SCAM

Trump University was not a university — the New York State Education Department filed a lawsuit against it for operating without a NYSED license. (Its name was changed to the “Trump Entrepreneur Initiative.”) Trump is now the defendant in two class-action lawsuits filed in California along with one filed in New York by Attorney General Eric Schneiderman, who called the institution a “scam.” A New York court has refused Trump’s lawyers’ request to throw the case out. Now one California plaintiff, yoga instructor Tarla Makaeff, wants to withdraw from the suit, citing stress and health problems, but Trump’s lawyers won’t have it. Makaeff claims she was scammed out of $60,000. The New York lawsuit alone represents 5,000 victims, and there are more. Prospective students were lured by a free seminar, which was really the first part of a bait-and-switch scheme that led to attendees’ being pressured into increasingly expensive seminars, starting with a three-day, $1,495 seminar and culminating with a $35,000 “Gold Elite” program.

RELATED: Yes, Trump University Was a Massive Scam

Trump University advertised Trump’s “handpicked” instructors, access to hard-money lenders, and an improved credit score. These advertisements proved false. Richard Hewson says he paid over $20,000 “for nothing.” In a series of anti-Trump ads by super PAC American Future Fund, Bob said the institution didn’t honor its promise to give him a list of hard-money lenders; Kevin said Trump U “ruined” his credit score — in fact, students were told to lie to credit-card companies; and Sherri said the Trump U was not supervised or run by Donald Trump, but was “just a fake.” And not a single instructor was “handpicked” by Trump; many came from non–real estate backgrounds, and some were downright shady — including motivational speakers and a felon. The “school” didn’t even craft a curriculum.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/432826/donald-trump-scandals-business-failures-roundup

I am not even trying to say Trump was a born again saint that could do no wrong. I am saying he was wise enough to seek the council and support of the evangelicals, his opponent was not, he was wise enough to state the correct position on abortion his opponent was not, he was wise enough to select Supreme Court candidates that will preserve the constitution of this nation his opponent was not.

And he's also dumb enough to tell the whole world he plans to kill the families of ISIS terrorists.

Does he not know many of the ISIS jihadis recruits are coming from America families too? Or does he do know and plan to have government officials kill Americans for not being able to prevent their sons and daughters from joining ISIS?

How many parent do you know encouraged their sons and daughters to join ISIS?
I don't think any of them encouraged their children to risk their lives joining ISIS. And because the families are related, their lives are now at risk from our government.

Not to mention that now there's a possibility that ISIS could move America to the top of their hit list of terror activities after hearing Trump.


Even when one's heart is in the wrong place and plans to do something stupid like this by stooping down to ISIS's level killing civilians too, you don't announce it to the whole world. Hopefully congress can slap him upside the head and knock some sense into him.












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Yeah that's what you're saying today but here's what you also said yesterday.

With all of Trump’s faults and there were many

Personal views and reality are two different things. Your inconsistency shows the value of your opinion.



Easy, he inherited his money from his father who was the real self made real estate mogul billionaire.

And you must not knew about Donald's many business investments that went into chapter 11 bankruptcy protection do you?

Nor the fact that his investment returns underperformed the market indexes the past 30 plus years in a period where all three major indexes experienced some of the worst crashes in history.

And the list goes on and on. I can probably post at least 10 full pages of information about Trump's bad past business failures and other unethical scandals. Here's just one. You can read more in the link below.

Given their number and scale, it can be difficult to keep track of all of Donald Trump’s many scandals and debacles. And so, for those whose heads are still spinning, here is a comprehensive roundup of the man’s disastrous record:

1973: THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE’S RACIAL-BIAS CASE AGAINST TRUMP’S REAL-ESTATE COMPANY

Trump Management Inc. was accused of discriminating against minorities seeking housing at the company’s properties in Brooklyn and Queens. Two government-sanctioned undercover “testers,” one black woman and one white woman, posed as potential renters in 1972. The black woman was told nothing was available, but a short while later the white woman was offered a choice between two available Trump apartments. Federal investigators found that Trump employees marked applications from minorities with codes and allegedly steered blacks and Puerto Ricans away from buildings with majority-white tenants. DOJ lawyers filed a case in 1973 accusing Trump Management, along with Trump and his father, Fred C. Trump, of violating the Fair Housing Act of 1968. Trump claimed he didn’t want the government to force him to rent to welfare recipients. Eventually he and his father reluctantly agreed to the judge’s order to place ads in local newspapers proclaiming their properties equally open to minorities. Trump Management also had to agree to end discriminatory practices, and he and his father had to “thoroughly acquaint themselves” with the Fair Housing Act.

1983–1985: NEW JERSEY GENERALS, A FAILED U.S. FOOTBALL LEAGUE TEAM

Before Trump bought the New Jersey Generals of the USFL, the league briefly enjoyed some attention in its 1982 inaugural season. But near the year’s end, that attention flagged. Trump purchased the Generals in 1983 for a reported $9 million. But the league lost $30 million by the fall. Trump’s Generals improved their winning record the following year, but the league continued to struggle financially. In a bid to attract attention, Trump lobbied to move USFL games to the fall to compete directly with the NFL (the USFL had played its season in the spring specifically to avoid the more established National Football League). The NFL commanded the TV networks, however, so with Trump’s lawyers, the league filed a $1.69 billion antitrust and monopoly lawsuit against the NFL. The jury ruled that the NFL had a monopoly, but also that the USFL contributed to its downfall with overspending. The jury awarded the USFL $3 — yes, three dollars — in damages, and the league folded.

1988–1992: TRUMP AIRLINES

Trump obtained a $380 million loan from 22 small banks in order to acquire a profitable division of the shaky Eastern Airlines. The division became Trump Airlines, officially named Trump Shuttle, Inc., and it never earned a profit. Trump defaulted on his loans in 1990. As owner, he invested in flashy technology and his signature luxury décor for the airplanes, while disregarding the real needs of his customers and falling victim to the high price of jet fuel during the first Iraq War. Trump Airlines ceased operation in April 1992.

1989–1990: TRUMP: THE GAME (BOARD GAME) (REVIVED IN 2005)

Milton Bradley joined Trump to release “Trump: The Game.” Players’ goal is to make the best real-estate deals. The game undersold in its first year, but Trump justified its rerelease 15 years later with the success of the Trump-helmed The Apprentice reality-TV show.

1990: FAILURE TO PAY CONTRACTORS FOR TAJ MAHAL HOTEL AND CASINO

While Trump spent $1 million every week on extravagant personal expenses, he cheated builders out of more than $60 million for work on his Atlantic City, N.J., property. The team of construction firms and suppliers that built the Taj Mahal hotel and casino struggled to overcome their losses, with some firms approaching bankruptcy: Marty Rosenberg, then–vice president of Atlantic Plate Glass, said Trump owed his company about $1.5 million in late payments for a glass job on the hotel. Rosenberg formed a committee of construction firms and suppliers defrauded by Trump. He then helped lead the committee’s efforts to procure from Trump what he owed them. Atlantic Plate Glass lost almost half a million dollars in the settlement, and Rosenberg suffered personal financial loss. Trump inveigled Rosenberg and the committee into accepting 20 cents on the dollar of their original agreement. The settlement allowed Trump to dodge an involuntary-bankruptcy lawsuit, but months later he filed for the first of his four bankruptcies.

1991: TRUMP PLAZA’S VIOLATION OF ANTI-DISCRIMINATION LAWS IN ORDER TO PLEASE TRUMP’S MAFIA-CONNECTED PAL

Robert LiButti, a famous horse breeder, was banned from New Jersey casinos after his connection to Mafia boss John Gotti was revealed. LiButti’s daughter Edith Creamer said her father and Trump had been comrades: gambling buddies, flying together in Trump’s helicopter, and partying on his yacht. New Jersey state regulators discovered their relationship while investigating allegations by nine Trump Plaza employees that the hotel had booted blacks and women from craps tables after LiButti complained about them. Trump Plaza was fined $200,000 for violating state anti-discrimination laws. Trump claimed he barely knew LiButti, but Creamer maintained that she flew in Trump’s helicopter and partied on his yacht with him and her father.

1991, 1992, 2004, AND 2009: TRUMP’S FOUR BANKRUPTCIES First bankruptcy:

Banks that had financed Trump’s real-estate investments bailed him out with $65 million in additional loans and credit. Nevertheless, nine months later, with Trump nearly $4 billion in debt, he filed for bankruptcy for his Taj Mahal casino. Second bankruptcy: Trump was personally leveraged to almost $1 billion. Third bankruptcy: Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts filed for bankruptcy. Trump paid $72 million out of pocket. Fourth bankruptcy: The same company, renamed Trump Entertainment Resorts Inc., filed for bankruptcy again. RELATED: Trump, Lies, and Bankruptcy

1977–1992, 1992–1999: TRUMP’S TWO DIVORCES AND ADULTERY

Trump’s marriage to Ivana Zelníčková ended after his affair with actress Marla Maples was discovered. He then married Maples, and divorced her seven years later, before marrying current wife Melania in 2005. Trump has also repeatedly bragged about sleeping with married women.

2005–2011: TRUMP UNIVERSITY SCAM

Trump University was not a university — the New York State Education Department filed a lawsuit against it for operating without a NYSED license. (Its name was changed to the “Trump Entrepreneur Initiative.”) Trump is now the defendant in two class-action lawsuits filed in California along with one filed in New York by Attorney General Eric Schneiderman, who called the institution a “scam.” A New York court has refused Trump’s lawyers’ request to throw the case out. Now one California plaintiff, yoga instructor Tarla Makaeff, wants to withdraw from the suit, citing stress and health problems, but Trump’s lawyers won’t have it. Makaeff claims she was scammed out of $60,000. The New York lawsuit alone represents 5,000 victims, and there are more. Prospective students were lured by a free seminar, which was really the first part of a bait-and-switch scheme that led to attendees’ being pressured into increasingly expensive seminars, starting with a three-day, $1,495 seminar and culminating with a $35,000 “Gold Elite” program.

RELATED: Yes, Trump University Was a Massive Scam

Trump University advertised Trump’s “handpicked” instructors, access to hard-money lenders, and an improved credit score. These advertisements proved false. Richard Hewson says he paid over $20,000 “for nothing.” In a series of anti-Trump ads by super PAC American Future Fund, Bob said the institution didn’t honor its promise to give him a list of hard-money lenders; Kevin said Trump U “ruined” his credit score — in fact, students were told to lie to credit-card companies; and Sherri said the Trump U was not supervised or run by Donald Trump, but was “just a fake.” And not a single instructor was “handpicked” by Trump; many came from non–real estate backgrounds, and some were downright shady — including motivational speakers and a felon. The “school” didn’t even craft a curriculum.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/432826/donald-trump-scandals-business-failures-roundup



And he's also dumb enough to tell the whole world he plans to kill the families of ISIS terrorists.

Does he not know many of the ISIS jihadis recruits are coming from America families too? Or does he do know and plan to have government officials kill Americans for not being able to prevent their sons and daughters from joining ISIS?

How many parent do you know encouraged their sons and daughters to join ISIS? I don't think any of them encouraged their children to risk their lives joining ISIS. And because the families are related, their lives are now at risk from our government.

Not to mention that now there's a possibility that ISIS could move America to the top of their hit list of terror activities after hearing Trump.

Even when one's heart is in the wrong place and plans to do something stupid like this by stooping down to ISIS's level killing civilians too, you don't announce it to the whole world. Hopefully congress can slap him upside the head and knock some sense into him.












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If you would put as much effort into researching HC as you have Trump we wouldn’t be having this conversation. Spend some time researching how she treats secret service around her going back to the White House days. Spend a little time researching her own sex scandals, not Bill’s. Look up Cathy O’Brien, Look up how HC claimed to stand for women and check out how she treated Bill’s victims. Shall we get into the lying and corruption? I don’t think you want to. I am sure CNN would hire you on the spot.


Try explaining how a believer overlooks late term abortion or any abortion. Try explaining how the blatant disregard for the constitution and law and order is accepable. Shall we discuss gay marriage, emails, Benghazi, pay for play? Want to get to into Huma’s connections? There’s a lot of dirt you have left unturned. Oh yea, let’s talk about those Supreme Court picks. Who do you think will stand for the rights of Christians and not pander to Islam? Shall we discuss how the news media and most of the Washington elite tried to install her and God showed them who was in charge, and they are still crying, throwing fits and acting like spoiled brats. You don’t even want to get into the last 8 years. Psalm 3704 I am surprised at you, but it’s your right. My conscience is clear before God on how I voted what about you?

 
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OK guys. Please take your Trump debate to another thread.That he won is relevant to the thread, but why anyone voted for or against him belongs on another thread.Let's try to stay on topic please. :)
 
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This article about the Sanhedrin contacting Trump and Putin to help rebuild the 3rd temple finally came out earlier today in Arutz Sheva. This article is a little more interesting than the one I posted a few days ago from another source as it elaborates more on Putin's desires to rebuild the 3rd temple.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/220289

Sanhedrin to Trump-Putin: Fulfill Cyrus-like role in Jerusalem
With the two top world leaders supporting Jewish right to Jerusalem, Sanhedrin asks that they build Third Temple.​

He said that the election of Donald Trump, who has promised to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, coupled with Putin’s expressed desire for the Temple's rebuilding, prompted the Sanhedrin to send a letter to both leaders. The letter proposes that they act jointly as did King Cyrus of Persia 2,500 years ago and show most practically that they recognize the importance of Israel and the Holy Temple.

“We are poised to rebuild the Temple," Weiss said.

Trump's support for Israel, and for the relocation of the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem, is well-known, and many of his close aides are similarly strong supporters of Israel.

Less well-known is Putin's support for the Holy Temple. As the Sanhedrin writes in its letter, Putin paid a late-night visit to the Kotel (Western Wall) in 2012, during his third official trip to Jerusalem. Upon his arrival, the former KGB agent who became the leader of Russia stood in silent prayer for several minutes, after which he read Psalms from a Russian-Hebrew prayer book. At one point, an Israeli bystander called out in Russian, “Welcome, President Putin.” Putin then approached the man, who explained the importance of the Temple Mount and the Jewish Temple. Putin reportedly responded, “That’s exactly the reason I came here – to pray for the Temple to be built again.”

The Sanhedrin sent a letter at the time to Putin, calling on him to act to fulfill his prayer. President Putin did not respond, but the Sanhedrin that he will respond to the current letter, now that he has a potential ally for the project in the United States leadership.

If anyone is interesting in reading the "historic" account of King Cyrus and the construction of the 2nd temple, it's found in 2 Chronicles chapter 36 to the entire book of Ezra and the book of Nehenmiah.












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If anyone is interesting in reading the "historic" account of King Cyrus and the construction of the 2nd temple, it's found in 2 Chronicles chapter 36 to the entire book of Ezra and the book of Nehenmiah.

Yeah, God does allow cycles of events to happen. It says so in Ecclesiastes.
Ecc. 1:9 What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.
10 Is there anything of which one can say,
“Look! This is something new”?
It was here already, long ago;
it was here before our time.

This is one reason IMHO that we should be studying the days of Noah because Lord Jesus said we will have a repeat of those days. A lot of people are saying that true Israel is not what we see as national Israel today. But I do believe that this last days national Israel is the one to watch. If we see the corner stone for the new temple being laid, then we will know just what time it is imho.
 
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