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sunshineray said:
This whole conversation is ridiculous!

People seem to have no problem and make no deal about men wearing speedos or bathing suits where THEY are half naked. What a ridiculous double standard.
Actually, we make quite a big deal about men wearing speedos, because the other fellas don't want to see that.
 
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Lol. Someone brought up speedos. Now, tell me how many women get TURNED on by looking at a guy in a speedo????? i think it is gross. Lol. I think that the majority of women would think this too....perhaps I am wrong.

Our society is focused on the women's body, not the male. Look at the commercials and TV shows for crying out loud!!!
 
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twistedsketch said:
Actually, we make quite a big deal about men wearing speedos, because the other fellas don't want to see that.

This is probably the first time I've ever agreed whole-heartedly to something twistedsketch has posted. :p

eatenbylocusts said:
We are the body of Christ! A problem within the church affects all of us! We should be helping, not hindering our brothers and sisters. Of course men need to take responsibility, but we shouldn't be purposefully making it more difficult. The fact that non-Christian women are wearing the Doritos on the beach does not absolve a Christian woman of her responsibility.

Thank you! This is what I've been trying to say!
 
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I would not wear a bikini because I don't like guys gawking at me (yea, big surprise, guys gawk at women in bikinis!), but I have no problems with those who choose to do so.. bikinis do tend to fit better, at least for me, although I choose to wear a tankini. My criteria is, it shouldn't cover less than what my underwear covers.
 
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sunshineray said:
This whole conversation is ridiculous!

People seem to have no problem and make no deal about men wearing speedos or bathing suits where THEY are half naked. What a ridiculous double standard.

Speedos are ok during a swim meet or triathalon, but they're kind of shocking otherwise. The only time I see these in public, they're usually being worn by overweight, hairy guys. Doesn't cause me to lust at all. According to my son, all shorts have to be below the knee now or you're a dork.
 
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eatenbylocusts said:
There are modest bikinis.

I didn't say there weren't. In fact, that was the opinion I was trying to put across - you can wear a bikini without it being 2 triangles with string. I actually seem to remember posting exactly that.

The clothing that we as Christian women choose should not be those that can reasonably be expected to cause a stumbling block for men/boys.

I realise this. I don't go around wearing micro-mini skirts as I know what kind of reaction they get - I'm not saying I'm model material, but I don't like the way that most guys react when they see a girls legs. I don't like getting wolf-whistled at when I'm walking down the street, and it has actually affected how I dress. I hardly ever wear skirts because of the reaction they provoke and I can't be doing with the hassle of being embarrassed.

Yes, boys. Do you want to be the image that a boy takes home in his mind to use when he's masturbating?

What if he was thinking about me, having just seen me in jeans and a t-shirt? I can't help that anymore than I can stop him masturbating, no matter what I wear. If he's going to do it, he's going to do it - that's his conviction to have with God, not mine. Do I want him to touch and think of me? No. But can I stop him doing that act? Of course not. A girl could provoke masturbation in a guy wearing a pair of sweats just as easily as she could wearing a modest bikini and, in fact, a one-piece bathing suit.

we shouldn't be purposefully making it more difficult.

I don't wear a bikini on the beach to make anyone's life more difficult, how rude! I wear it because I choose to wear it FOR ME. If someone's going to find another person attractive, they're going to regardless of what they're wearing. I realise that this may be more likely in a bikini, but again, the issue of lust is theirs, not mine to deal with.

For example, if my BF had a problem, although I'd help him as much as I could, I can't actually solve that problem for him. It's down to him to have some one-on-one time with God and sort it out between the two of them. Yes, I'd support him, but I can't help the problems that he might have.

If it became a real problem for me to wear a bikini, for example, I probably wouldn't continue to wear one around him, but that's only if I know about it, how can I stop doing something that I don't know for definite has an adverse reaction on *some* guys, *some* of the time????

The fact that non-Christian women are wearing the Doritos on the beach does not absolve a Christian woman of her responsibility.

When did I say it did????:confused:

People, we live in a corrupt world. I can't help how some people think. I know Christians, in this case, Christian women, have to take responsibility for how they dress - like one person said, "Big surprise, men gawk at girls in bikini's".

Some people, in my opinion can take it to the extreme. If you don't think God wants you wearing a bikini, don't wear one - that's YOUR conviction. Don't judge someone if they don't have the same conviction. We are called to love one another, warts and all, even if others may be "misguided" - but their "misguidance" is only according to YOUR conviction, it might not be misguidance to them.

Not everyone respects women/people the way they should, I realise this, believe me. But, we have a God that can change that. Why aren't we praying for the people of the world instead of arguing about some girl wearing a bikini???

Have you only just realised that not everyone is as good as they should be? I can't believe that would be true. If you don't like seeing a girl wearing a bikini, don't go to the beach. If you do go, and see a girl wearing a bikini that you find hard to deal with, LOOK AWAY!!!! How hard is it, really????

I don't know, I'm not trying to change what you think, that would be impossible. Take it or leave it, that's my opinion. Doesn't bother me if you don't agree.
 
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I know a lot of you disagree with the whole well, our actions don't cause men to lust thing, and I do realize that they can lust after us in sweatpants... but from experience (a guy I know)... it's much easier to lust after a girl when she isn't wearing much at all. I know that we can't do everything in our power to keep them from lusting after us, but there are small things we can do to help our brothers in christ!! I want to be an encouragement to those that are struggling, I want to be a woman that can set them up with love, hope and understanding, rather than one that sets them up for failure. I hope that I can help them in that Godly manner. What little thing is it for me, to cover up a little more? It in fact is less embarassing for me to wear more clothing, because not so much of my body is showing, but it is also helping them. I hope that some of those men appreciate this... and I hope there are more women out there than just me that feel this way.
 
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ByLoveAndGrace said:
I know a lot of you disagree with the whole well, our actions don't cause men to lust thing, and I do realize that they can lust after us in sweatpants... but from experience (a guy I know)... it's much easier to lust after a girl when she isn't wearing much at all. I know that we can't do everything in our power to keep them from lusting after us, but there are small things we can do to help our brothers in christ!! I want to be an encouragement to those that are struggling, I want to be a woman that can set them up with love, hope and understanding, rather than one that sets them up for failure. I hope that I can help them in that Godly manner. What little thing is it for me, to cover up a little more? It in fact is less embarassing for me to wear more clothing, because not so much of my body is showing, but it is also helping them. I hope that some of those men appreciate this... and I hope there are more women out there than just me that feel this way.
I don't think I'm saying what I'm trying to say very well.

God bless you all and I hope I haven't offended anyone too much. Maybe when I've thought what I'm saying through, I'll come back and try and express that properly!!

And yes, I do want to be a good example to my brothers in Christ, and I realise my posts haven't been portraying that very well.

Please forgive me, God Bless.

xx
 
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juzzi said:
I don't wear a bikini on the beach to make anyone's life more difficult, how rude! I wear it because I choose to wear it FOR ME. If someone's going to find another person attractive, they're going to regardless of what they're wearing. I realise that this may be more likely in a bikini, but again, the issue of lust is theirs, not mine to deal with.

Your first two sentences say a lot. Far be it for me to ask you to do something like this for someone else. You know, like we're supposed to.

I agree that the lust problem is the guy's problem. But you know full well (based on your statement about you not wearing skirts) what most guys' response is to a bikini. Yet you choose to continue wearing one. You're choosing to be a stumbling block over helping your brothers out - for the sake of comfort.

juzzi said:
If it became a real problem for me to wear a bikini, for example, I probably wouldn't continue to wear one around him, but that's only if I know about it, how can I stop doing something that I don't know for definite has an adverse reaction on *some* guys, *some* of the time????

Uhh... Actually it's *most* guys, *most* of the time. I'm a guy. I know how we think. Trust me. It's most, not some.
 
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This conversation is really pointless. Women are not going to quit wearing bikinis. Know any all Christian beaches out there? This conversation is about the modesty of the Christian woman. If all Christian women quit wearing bikinis it would pale in comparison to the point where it would make any difference or remove the opportunity for us guys to be tempted with lust. If you guys have so much of a problem with it then I suggest just giving up going to the beach and the public pool. For that matter throw your TV set out the window and cancel your internet access. Better curb going to the mall or out in public as well as i see plenty of scantily clad gals there too. Grow up and learn to deal with it. Do I notice a woman who is flaunting herself for society to see? Sure I'm not blind. Do I want to hit the sack with every woman I see as such? No.
 
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Deliberatetourist said:
This conversation is really pointless. Women are not going to quit wearing bikinis. Know any all Christian beaches out there? This conversation is about the modesty of the Christian woman. If all Christian women quit wearing bikinis it would pale in comparison to the point where it would make any difference or remove the opportunity for us guys to be tempted with lust. If you guys have so much of a problem with it then I suggest just giving up going to the beach and the public pool. For that matter throw your TV set out the window and cancel your internet access. Better curb going to the mall or out in public as well as i see plenty of scantily clad gals there too. Grow up and learn to deal with it. Do I notice a woman who is flaunting herself for society to see? Sure I'm not blind. Do I want to hit the sack with every woman I see as such? No.
Amen! Preach it, Brotha!

CJ
 
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And, in the end, Deliberatetourists' comments equate to:

Immodesty among women isn't the problem, it's men's lust. Which is partially true. But not 100%.

Let's see what the Bible says about how women should dress, shall we? Enough opinions. We all claim to follow the Bible, correct? Then let's delve in. Want me to start?
 
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I don't see that deliberatetourist said there should be no burden on women to dress modestly! He simply noted that, since somewhere in the world there will always be a woman dressed immodestly, men should take as much responsibility as possible for their own purity of mind.

And there is as much Biblical justification for that as for women dressing modestly! I'm sure you would agree.
 
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Yes, there may be tons more women out there scantily dressed besides us christian women... it doesn't mean that one person doesn't make some sort of difference, and it also doesn't mean we need to be like them and dress the way they do either. God called us to be different, he asked us not to conform to the world... don't you think that would be conforming??
 
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Deliberatetourist said:
Do I want to hit the sack with every woman I see as such? No.

I find that funny coming from you. Especially after all your comments about sexual attraction in another thread.

robalan said:
Let's see what the Bible says about how women should dress, shall we? Enough opinions. We all claim to follow the Bible, correct? Then let's delve in. Want me to start?

Okay.

1 Timothy 2:9-10 said:
I also want women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God.
 
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[BIBLE="1 John 2:15-17] Do not love the [URL="http://bible1.crosswalk.com/OnlineStudyBible/bible.cgi?passage=1jo+2:16&version=nas&context=1&showtools=1#R72"]R72[/URL] world nor the things in the world. If R73 anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16 For all that is in the world, the R74 lust of the flesh and the R75 lust of the eyes and the R76 boastful pride of life, is not from the Father, but is from the world. 17 The R77 world is passing away, and also its lusts; but the one who does R78 the will of God lives forever.[/BIBLE]

This goes to show that Christian women who are concerned with what God has asked us to do, this is what I meant by not conforming to the world. Likewise, Men have responsibility also.

[BIBLE="Matthew 5:28"]
but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with R151 lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. [/BIBLE]

Therefore a man also must be responsible for his actions. Especially if a woman is dressing modestly and appropriately then he is definitely in the wrong.


So women we can do our parts by not wearing bikinis and men can do their part by trying a little more hard to avoid particularly lustful places, and trying to avert their eyes a little more. We are all sinners, all at fault. So lets' both do our best to make this situation better.
 
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