Biden record of dealing with Pandemic - consistent with no Covid testing at border

[BobRyan]

Biden said there was no vaccine in 2021..

Speaking to host Anderson Cooper, Biden said: "The biggest thing is, when you and I talked last, we talked about...it's one thing to have the vaccine—which we didn't have when we came into office. But a vaccinator -- how do you get the vaccine into someone's arm?"

Yes, Biden did say the words: "it's one thing to have the vaccine—which we didn't have when we came into office."

It is not true to suggest that Trump's administration did not oversee the rollout of a vaccine by that time, or what there were none available.

Fact Check: Were there no COVID vaccines when Joe Biden became president?

This is after Biden actually got the vaccine in Dec 21, 2020 -- in the presence of "A vaccinator"

On January 15, the week before Biden was sworn in, 10.6 million Americans had received a COVID vaccine under Trump's administration, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) figures at the time.
Fact Check: Were there no COVID vaccines when Joe Biden became president?

Does Biden himself admit to facts that flatly contradict his emotional statements?

Around two minutes prior to the comment, Biden acknowledged that Trump's administration did, in fact, have millions of vaccine doses available.

He was asked by Cooper: "When is every American who wants it going to be able to get a vaccine?"

Biden responded: " When we came into office, there was only 50 million doses that were available.

Fact Check: Were there no COVID vaccines when Joe Biden became president?

50 million and 1 if it were not for that dose that Biden already had gotten Dec 21, 2020

On Feb. 1,2020 it was stated that the number of people who had received at least one dose of the vaccine had surpassed the number of Americans who had been infected by the coronavirus.
Here's How Many People Have Been Vaccinated in the U.S.

Which you can see here -
https : // www.bloomberg.com /news/articles/2021-02-01/u-s-hits-milestone-in-pandemic-with-more-vaccinated-than-cases
Bloomberg - Are you a robot?
Where it says

• "26.5 million people have gotten vaccine in U.S."
• "About 1.34 million people a day being vaccinated on average"

More Americans have received at least one dose of a Covid-19 vaccine than have tested positive for the virus, an early but hopeful milestone in the race to end the pandemic.

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So then the "science fact" is that not only did they have vaccines in 2020 through Jan 20, 2021 but they had "vaccinators" such that at 1.3 M per day vaccinated they had vaccinated more people than they had cases of COVID.

Which fully explains the degree of emotional value in the following:

Biden said: "The biggest thing is, when you and I talked last, we talked about...it's one thing to have the vaccine—which we didn't have when we came into office. But a vaccinator -- how do you get the vaccine into someone's arm?"

 

[The Barbarian]

Biden said: "The biggest thing is, when you and I talked last, we talked about...it's one thing to have the vaccine—which we didn't have when we came into office. But a vaccinator -- how do you get the vaccine into someone's arm?"

How many Americans had the vaccine when he came into office? (Barbarian checks)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/health/covid-vaccine-states-distribution-doses/

Technically, there actually were a few vaccinated before Biden was inaugurated. But very few. Still, when you can find an instance of Biden being wrong, I suppose republicans should take advantage of it while they have one, regardless.

On Feb. 1,2020 it was stated that the number of people who had received at least one dose of the vaccine had surpassed the number of Americans who had been infected by the coronavirus.

And when was Biden inaugurated? Right. Check out the link I left to see when the vaccine began to be given in large numbers.

 

[BobRyan]

And when was Biden inaugurated? Right. Check out the link I left to see when the vaccine began to be given in large numbers.

25 million cases in 2/2 and they were vaccinating at the rate of about 1.5M/day by then and it took 9 months to get the vaccine out in record breaking super fast timeline ... and your point?

 

[BobRyan]

Technically, there actually were a few vaccinated before Biden was inaugurated. But very few. .

In your own link -- 1.6 million at the rate of 772,000 per day as of inauguration day for a vaccine that took 9 months to get out.

And your point??

(your point might be that someone can't do math -- but I was hoping that was not the case)

 

[The Barbarian]

In your own link -- 1.6 million at the rate of 772,000 per day as of inauguration day for a vaccine that took 9 months to get out.

Yep. The slow roll-out of vaccinations turned out to be due to Donald Trump deciding not to buy enough vaccine for our needs:

The Trump Administration Was Just Kidding When It Said It Had Tons More Vaccine Doses to Ship Out (It Has Zero)
The Trump Administration Was Just Kidding When It Said It Had Tons More Vaccine Doses to Ship Out (It Has Zero)

U.S. Has No Covid-19 Vaccine Reserve Despite Trump Administration’s Claims, Report Says

Outgoing Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar agreed Tuesday to release all available Covid-19 vaccine doses, instead of stockpiling millions of doses to use as second shots (both Pfizer and Moderna’s vaccines call for patients to receive two shots), a move widely expected to speed up the pace of vaccinations.

Despite this apparent policy change, the federal government had already begun releasing all available doses in late December, meaning the government did not actually build up a vaccine surplus, the Post reported, citing state and federal officials.

This revelation has frustrated state public health officials, some of whom had expected Azar’s announcement to lead to an immediate surge in vaccine supplies and planned to make more residents eligible for vaccinations as a result.
U.S. Has No Covid-19 Vaccine Reserve Despite Trump Administration’s Claims, Report Says

Incredibly, it appears no one in the Trump administration had a workable plan for the distribution of the vaccine.
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - There was no distribution plan for the coronavirus vaccine set up by the Trump administration as the virus raged in its last months in office, new President Joe Biden's chief of staff, Ron Klain, said on Sunday.

"The process to distribute the vaccine, particularly outside of nursing homes and hospitals out into the community as a whole, did not really exist when we came into the White House," Klain said on NBC's "Meet the Press."
https://www.usnews.com/news/top-new...navirus-vaccine-distribution-plan-white-house

Dr. Fauci has since verified that claim:

Dr. Fauci attempted to clarify the vice president’s remarks Tuesday morning on “CNN Newsroom,” saying the Trump administration did not have a well-coordinated plan for getting vaccine doses into people.

“What I think the vice president is referring to is that the actual plan of getting the vaccine doses into people’s arms was really rather vague,” Dr. Fauci said. “I mean it was not a well-coordinated plan.

“Getting the vaccines made, getting them shipped through Operation Warp Speed was OK, but I believe what the vice president was referring to is, what is the process of actually getting these doses into people,” he continued. “That’s something that we had to get much better organized, now with getting the community vaccine centers, getting the pharmacies involved, getting mobile units involved, so that’s what I believe she was referring to.”
Fauci defends VP Harris’ ‘starting from scratch’ remarks, says Trump plan was ‘vague’

Give Trump credit for at least buying some vaccine, but he deserves criticism for failing to buy enough when it was available, and for botching the roll-out. The slow implementation of the vaccination program before Biden, is due to those two failures.

 

[BobRyan]

Yep. The slow roll-out of vaccinations turned out to be due to Donald Trump deciding not to buy enough vaccine for our needs:

not to "buy enough" ??? seriously??
hint: that 9 month to deploy timeline was a world record.
hint: Biden did not "buy enough" for the swine flu and did not accelerate the process either.

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Swine flu was a novel influenza A (H1N1) virus that emerged in the spring of 2009, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. COVID-19, on the other hand, was a novel coronavirus—so swine flu and COVID-19 are two different types of viruses.
Swine flu was detected first in the US and then spread across the country and eventually the world"

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https://nypost.com/2020/05/04/inside-joe-bidens-flawed-response-to-2009-swine-flu-pandemic-report/

"Airlines accused Biden of instilling panic among fliers, and White House officials were forced to walk back the comments, which clashed with President Obama’s own message of cautious calm.

"In another administration blunder, then-Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius publicly announced that 100 million doses of a vaccine would be available by October 2009.

"While the figure jibed with an earlier estimate of 120 million made by the vaccine’s manufacturers, it didn’t factor in unforeseen production complications of which the administration was already aware, according to Politico.

"The administration gradually revised its promise down to 40 million — but by October, as few as 11 million doses were available, according to one ABC News report cited by Politico.

"By that point, some 22 million Americans had been infected, according to estimates by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention cited in the report.

Biden took point on the White House’s response to the outbreak, multiple administration officials told Politico."

According to an article in Politico last May, the initial shipment of the vaccine was in a nasal spray form that wasn't suitable for the very people most in need of them, like children with asthma, and shipments weren’t strategically directed to densely populated communities and neighborhoods with high infection rates. In California, at least 25 of the city and county health agencies in the state received less than half of the vaccine doses they required, according to a Los Angeles Times article at the time in 2009.
What We Can Learn From Vaccines in Past Pandemics

interesting how this turned out - in the past

Biden has fought a pandemic before. It did not go smoothly.

“It is purely a fortuity that this isn’t one of the great mass casualty events in American history,” Ron Klain, who was Biden’s chief of staff at the time, said of H1N1 in 2019. “It had nothing to do with us doing anything right. It just had to do with luck. If anyone thinks that this can’t happen again, they don’t have to go back to 1918, they just have to go back to 2009, 2010 and imagine a virus with a different lethality, and you can just do the math on that.”


CDC estimated that 151,700-575,400 people worldwide died from (H1N1)pdm09 virus infection during the first year the virus circulated

Klain said “we did everything possible – wrong” – 60 million Americans contracted H1N1 in that period of time.

 

[The Barbarian]

not to "buy enough" ??? seriously??

Yes. Trump was offered enough vaccine, but chose not to purchase it. That was only part of the delay. As Dr. Fauci noted, there was no detailed plan for vaccinating people.

hint: that 9 month to deploy timeline was a world record.

The companies developing the vaccine did a great job. Then Trump botched it by failing to buy enough vaccine and having no effective plan for vaccinating people.

hint: Biden did not "buy enough" for the swine flu

But you can't show us any evidence for that? I think I know why.

President Trump, widely criticized for his administration's response to the coronavirus pandemic, tried to shift blame Friday to his predecessor's handling of a health crisis 11 years ago.


In a series of tweets Friday morning, Trump accused former President Barack Obama of making unspecified changes that "complicated" the Centers For Disease Control and Prevention's testing system.


Trump falsely charged the Obama administration's response to the H1N1 swine flu outbreak as a "full scale disaster, with thousands dying, and nothing meaningful done to fix the testing problem, until now."


Trump has, on numerous occasions, accused the Obama administration of implementing a rule change that complicated testing. However, no such rule was ever put in place, according to FactCheck.org.
FACT CHECK: Trump's Accusations About The Obama Administration And Swine Flu

Your link indicates that the Obama administration was ready to buy all the vaccine needed, and to get it distributed, but that problems with producing the vaccine delayed things. In Trump's case, the vaccine was available, but he chose not to buy enough of it. And that's pretty much the difference.

 

[BobRyan]

Yes. Trump was offered enough vaccine, but chose not to purchase it. That was only part of the delay. As Dr. Fauci noted, there was no detailed plan for vaccinating people.

1. it didn't get out until Dec 2020 -- it was being developed and approved - Fauci knew that.
2. no "detailed plan" yet Biden was vaccinated Dec 21, 2020 and so were 770,000 per day by Jan 20,2021. Did Fauci think 770,000 vaccinations were "falling out of the sky" each day???

 

[Ringo84]

Biden's record of (checks notes) just over a month. Yeah, Biden's presidency of the past four years sure has been rough, right?

Unless I'm mistaken, it was announced that there should be enough vaccines to put in everyone's arms by May. Good thing we have actual leadership at the top now.
Ringo

 

[The Barbarian]

Yes. Trump was offered enough vaccine, but chose not to purchase it. That was only part of the delay. As Dr. Fauci noted, there was no detailed plan for vaccinating people.

1. it didn't get out until Dec 2020 -- it was being developed and approved - Fauci knew that.

But Trump failed to buy enough of it, when it was available.
Trump administration refused offer to buy millions more Pfizer vaccine doses
Decision could delay the delivery of a second batch until the manufacturer meets its orders for other countries
Trump administration refused offer to buy millions more Pfizer vaccine doses

no "detailed plan"

Yep. That's why the roll-out was so slow.

yet Biden was vaccinated Dec 21, 2020 and so were 770,000 per day by Jan 20,2021.

Yes, at that rate, we'd still be trying to get everyone vaccinated in 2022. Unacceptable, when so many other countries are doing so much better.

It's not that Trump didn't want to do a good job with this. He was just in over his head. He's unable to manage anything this difficult.

 

[BobRyan]

Biden's record of (checks notes) just over a month. Yeah, Biden's presidency of the past four years sure has been rough, right?

And the previous 8 years as well.

so then back to "no covid testing at the border"

 

[BobRyan]

Yes. Trump was offered enough vaccine, .

Who had all the vaccine in waiting?

If they still have it - why is it not suddenly all available now?

 

[BobRyan]

Decision could delay the delivery of a second batch until the manufacturer meets its orders for other countries .

ohhh I see... "it takes time" for all of that.

so then back to "no covid testing at the border"

sounds a lot like: “It had nothing to do with us doing anything right. It just had to do with luck."

 

[The Barbarian]

Who had all the vaccine in waiting?

The people manufacturing it.

If they still have it

They don't. But they are making more

why is it not suddenly all available now?

When Trump turned it down, other countries bought it. Go figure.

 

[The Barbarian]

ohhh I see... "it takes time" for all of that.

Yep. He should have bought it when it was available.

so then back to "no covid testing at the border"

Fortunately, there is a lower rate of COVID-19 infection in Mexico, than there is here.
Mexico Coronavirus: 2,112,508 Cases and 188,866 Deaths - Worldometer

So statistically, you're safer in a pack of illegal aliens from Mexico than among a pack of American citizens. By that, I mean safer from infection, but it's also true that you're safer from crime. Would you like me to show you that, too?

sounds a lot like: “It had nothing to do with us doing anything right. It just had to do with luck."

If you mean it's bad luck we had an idiot for a president, who didn't buy the vaccine when he had a chance, yes.