Biden record of dealing with Pandemic - consistent with no Covid testing at border

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democrats complained about it like it was the end of all things important to stop travel from China as if COVID was really that big a deal as compared to Jan/Feb impeachment items.

Yea, and Satan told Adam to eat the forbidden fruit. But that doesn't mean that Donald Trump handled the pandemic well.
 
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There are plenty of quotes demonstrating a failed response, even months into the pandemic.

Ie. Saying that cases are going down and it's going to go away with it without a vaccine (said back last spring and summer). 300,000 deaths later, we see that Donald Trump didn't know what he was talking about.
 
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I believe that too - and I also believe quite a number of them were Democrats - not just Republicans. So the idea that they all were loyal to Trump and got some marching orders from Trump wrong... does not make sense to me. (snip)
I don't understood why you keep saying this, because frankly, I don't think it's making what ever point you're trying to make.
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That explains why Faucci said no masks needed?
That was said early to reserve masks for health care workers.
And explains why Biden said it was wrong to ban travel from China?
Trump didn't ban travel from China, ... only travel by Chinese nationals. The virus made its way into the country by way of American travelers coming home, ... and from travelers from Europe.
And explains why Pelosi wanted everyone to join her without a mask and no social distancing... in Chinatown?
That sounds completely in line with Trump's ongoing policy. For what it's worth, Pelosi changed her position early on in the crisis. Unfortunately, Trump never did ...
 
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Trump didn't ban travel from China, ... only travel by Chinese nationals. .

China banned citizens of Wuhan from travel TO CHINA before the U.S. banned them from coming to the U.S.

"On Wednesday, January 15, a 35-year-old man arrived at Seattle-Tacoma Airport after traveling for about 20 hours from Wuhan, China, where he had been visiting family. He had a mild cough and may have been running a fever, according to a report in the New England Journal of Medicine. Upon arrival, he took shared transport from the airport to his home, according to Bloomberg BusinessWeek."

" now one of the country's leading experts on the illness, Dr. Anthony Fauci, says the president's travel restriction likely prevented a humanitarian crisis in the United States on the scale of the one that Italy is facing." https://www.theblaze.com/news/dr-fa...-biden--with-preventing-italys-disaster-in-us March 20, 2020


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Dr. Fauci responds to question about differences between U.S. and Italy, says
stopping travel very early from China has gone a long way " in the fight against coronavirus "Unfortunately, Italy did not do that. They had an open border."

"One of the things we did right was very early cut off travel from China to the United States," he said, while noting that "outside of China, where it originated, the countries in the world who have it are through travel."

Fauci also said that those who became infected with the virus early on got it "from China or indirectly from someone who went some place then came to that particular country. "

This is not the first time that Fauci has praised Trump's travel ban. During a March 12 press briefing, he told reporters "it was the right public health call."

https://www.theblaze.com/news/dr-fa...-biden--with-preventing-italys-disaster-in-us
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Stopping the Wuhan virus by blocking travel from there - was the right thing to do - according to scientists

Dr. Fauci: Travel ban was the 'right public health call'
 
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tulc said:
What I believe is there's over 500,000 people who've died of Coronavirus

I believe that too - and I also believe quite a number of them were Democrats - not just Republicans. So the idea that they all were loyal to Trump and got some marching orders from Trump wrong... does not make sense to me.
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I don't understood why you keep saying this,

That's the only way to blame the President for all 500K deaths like you just did - claiming it is because those people were devotees of Trump.

You really think they all believed that his shutting down the economy, shutting down travel, placing industry on war-time-footing re-tool to fight the virus - was just an odd way of saying "the whole COVID virus thing is a hoax - don't take any precautions it is harmless" as if he were biologist in chief ?? even the democrats???

because frankly, I don't think it's making what ever point you're trying to make.

I am ok with you not getting that point above - you are free to ignore any details you like - you have free will.
 
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Since this is a thread about Biden's history of handling pandemics --

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  • February 1 – Biden tweets about the CoronaVirus, accusing President Trump of ignoring the science, and acting based on “hysteria, xenophobia, and fear-mongering.”
  • February 1 – Speaking at a campaign town hall in Iowa, Biden brought up the CoronaVirus and says, “we don’t know exactly where it’s going to go yet.” He again implicitly criticized President Trump’s restrictions on travel from China by saying, “Disease has no borders.”
  • February 4: President Trump vowed in his State of the Union Address to “take all necessary steps” to protect Americans from the CoronaVirus–Nancy Pelosi must have hated that promise because she ripped up her copy.
  • February 5: The end of the first annual Democratic Party Impeachment hoax. The Senate votes to acquit President Trump.
  • February 6: Biden Public Health Advisory Committee member Dr. Irwin Redlener said, “Yes, there is uncertainty, and the headlines are dramatic. But right now, the chances of any of us or anyone we know ever getting a severe, potentially lethal form of the Wuhan virus is negligible.”
  • February 7: Biden Public Health Advisory Committee member Lisa Monaco wrote, “The good news thus far is that the CoronaVirus appears to be less lethal than its viral cousin SARS was in 2002 and far less lethal than Ebola was in 2014.”
  • February 7:President Trump tells Bob Woodward, This is Dangerous Stuff.” And the President’ was focusing on the virus. Trump told Woodward that the night before, he’d spoken to Chinese President Xi Jinping about the virus. Woodward quotes Trump as saying, “We’ve got a little bit of an interesting setback with the virus going in China.” “It goes through the air,” Trump said. “That’s always tougher than the touch. You don’t have to touch things. Right? But the air, you just breathe the air, and that’s how it’s passed. And so that’s a very tricky one. That’s a very delicate one. It’s also more deadly than even your strenuous flus.”
  • February 11: The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) announces an expanded partnership with Janssen Research & Development to “expedite the development” of a CoronaVirus vaccine.
  • February 11 – Top Biden advisor, now WH Cheif of Staff, Ron Klain said, “A serious epidemic – now, the CoronaVirus may be that, it may not be that. The evidence suggests it’s probably not that.”
  • February 11 – Top Biden advisor Ron Klain spoke about the Trump team’s reaction to the virus saying, “Obviously the administration can’t do nothing. Indeed, they are far from doing nothing.”
  • February 13 – Top Biden advisor Ron Klain said, “We don’t have a COVID-19 epidemic in the U.S., but we are starting to see a fear epidemic. Kudos to [Mayor Bill de Blasio] (and others) for standing against that.” He was encouraging people to go shopping or out to eat in Chinatown.
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" now one of the country's leading experts on the illness, Dr. Anthony Fauci, says the president's travel restriction likely prevented a humanitarian crisis in the United States on the scale of the one that Italy is facing."

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Dr. Fauci responds to question about differences between U.S. and Italy, says
stopping travel very early from China has gone a long way " in the fight against coronavirus "Unfortunately, Italy did not do that. They had an open border."
"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ci-is-wrong-italy-did-close-its-border-china/

In sum, Italy took action one day after discovering the first cases and banned all flights between China and Italy, including territories related to China. Trump took action 10 days after the first case and did not ban flights, just non-U. S. citizens with an array of exceptions.
 
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That's the only way to blame the President for all 500K deaths like you just did - claiming it is because those people were devotees of Trump.
No, it really isn't. No, what I believe is you seem to think you made a good point when you say that and you're actually not.

You really think they all believed that his shutting down the economy, shutting down travel, placing industry on war-time-footing re-tool to fight the virus - was just an odd way of saying "the whole COVID virus thing is a hoax - don't take any precautions it is harmless" as if he were biologist in chief ?? even the democrats???
What I believe is he waited is he had to be dragged kicking and screaming into doing any of the above long after the science had said it needed to be done. And pretty much long after the horse had already left the stable.


I am ok with you not getting that point above
uhmmm...I understand the point you think you're making with that claim, the problem is it really isn't making it.

- you are free to ignore any details you like -
thank you, I appreciate that.

you have free will.
And you as well.
tulc(has to get up early tomorrow and roast more coffee) :oldthumbsup:
 
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No, it really isn't. No, what I believe is you seem to think you made a good point when you say that and you're actually not.


What I believe is he waited is he had to be dragged kicking and screaming into doing any of the above long after the science had said it needed to be done. And pretty much long after the horse had already left the stable.

Not to mention the continual pressure applied to governors that did conduct shutdowns, to open up.
Trump Encourages Protest Against Governors Who Have Imposed Virus Restrictions

Then when the state of Florida opened up Disney (and it's economy at large), there was an abrupt spike in covid deaths amounting to some 10,000 fatalities. But Donald Trump didn't seem to have a problem with that.
 
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Since this is a thread about Biden's history of handling pandemics --

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  • February 1 – Biden tweets about the CoronaVirus, accusing President Trump of ignoring the science, and acting based on “hysteria, xenophobia, and fear-mongering.”
  • February 1 – Speaking at a campaign town hall in Iowa, Biden brought up the CoronaVirus and says, “we don’t know exactly where it’s going to go yet.” He again implicitly criticized President Trump’s restrictions on travel from China by saying, “Disease has no borders.”
  • February 4: President Trump vowed in his State of the Union Address to “take all necessary steps” to protect Americans from the CoronaVirus–Nancy Pelosi must have hated that promise because she ripped up her copy.
  • February 5: The end of the first annual Democratic Party Impeachment hoax. The Senate votes to acquit President Trump.
  • February 6: Biden Public Health Advisory Committee member Dr. Irwin Redlener said, “Yes, there is uncertainty, and the headlines are dramatic. But right now, the chances of any of us or anyone we know ever getting a severe, potentially lethal form of the Wuhan virus is negligible.”
  • February 7: Biden Public Health Advisory Committee member Lisa Monaco wrote, “The good news thus far is that the CoronaVirus appears to be less lethal than its viral cousin SARS was in 2002 and far less lethal than Ebola was in 2014.”
  • February 7:President Trump tells Bob Woodward, This is Dangerous Stuff.” And the President’ was focusing on the virus. Trump told Woodward that the night before, he’d spoken to Chinese President Xi Jinping about the virus. Woodward quotes Trump as saying, “We’ve got a little bit of an interesting setback with the virus going in China.” “It goes through the air,” Trump said. “That’s always tougher than the touch. You don’t have to touch things. Right? But the air, you just breathe the air, and that’s how it’s passed. And so that’s a very tricky one. That’s a very delicate one. It’s also more deadly than even your strenuous flus.”
  • February 11: The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) announces an expanded partnership with Janssen Research & Development to “expedite the development” of a CoronaVirus vaccine.
  • February 11 – Top Biden advisor, now WH Cheif of Staff, Ron Klain said, “A serious epidemic – now, the CoronaVirus may be that, it may not be that. The evidence suggests it’s probably not that.”
  • February 11 – Top Biden advisor Ron Klain spoke about the Trump team’s reaction to the virus saying, “Obviously the administration can’t do nothing. Indeed, they are far from doing nothing.”
  • February 13 – Top Biden advisor Ron Klain said, “We don’t have a COVID-19 epidemic in the U.S., but we are starting to see a fear epidemic. Kudos to [Mayor Bill de Blasio] (and others) for standing against that.” He was encouraging people to go shopping or out to eat in Chinatown.
from; Correcting MSM and Team Biden's CoronaVirus Lies-Two Feb. 2020 Weeks In COVID History - The Lid
You missed this ... from January 27, 2020 ...

From ... Joe Biden: Trump has weakened our capacity to deal with coronavirus

Trump is worst possible leader to deal with coronavirus outbreak

President has blithely tweeted that 'it will all work out well.' Yet the steps he has taken have only weakened our capacity to respond.
Joe Biden
Opinion contributor

The possibility of a pandemic is a challenge Donald Trump is unqualified to handle as president. I remember how Trump sought to stoke fear and stigma during the 2014 Ebola epidemic. He called President Barack Obama a "dope and “incompetent” and railed against the evidence-based response our administration put in place — which quelled the crisis and saved hundreds of thousands of lives — in favor of reactionary travel bans that would only have made things worse. He advocated abandoning exposed and infected American citizens rather than bringing them home for treatment.

Trump’s demonstrated failures of judgment and his repeated rejection of science make him the worst possible person to lead our country through a global health challenge.

The outbreak of a new coronavirus, which has already infected more than 2,700 people and killed over 80 in China, will get worse before it gets better. Cases have been confirmed in a dozen countries, with at least five in the United States. There will likely be more.

Diseases don't stop at borders or walls
The State Department has scheduled an evacuation flight and advised Americans against traveling to Hubei province, the epicenter of the outbreak, and is evacuating non-essential personnel.

Trump has blithely tweeted that “it will all work out well.” Yet the steps he has taken as president have only weakened our capacity to respond.

Trump has rolled back much of the progress President Obama and I made to strengthen global health security. He proposed draconian cuts to the National Institutes of Health (NIH), the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Agency for International Development — the very agencies we need to fight this outbreak and prevent future ones.

He dismissed the top White House official in charge of global health security and dismantled the entire team. And he has treated with utmost contempt institutions that facilitate international cooperation, thus undermining the global efforts that keep us safe from pandemics and biological attacks.

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To be blunt, I am concerned that the Trump administration’s shortsighted policies have left us unprepared for a dangerous epidemic that will come sooner or later.

Pandemic diseases are a prime example of why international cooperation is a requirement of leadership in 2020. Diseases do not stop at borders. They cannot be thwarted by building a wall. We cannot keep ourselves safe without helping to keep others safe as well and without enlisting the help of other nations in return. And here’s the truth — the United States must step forward to lead these efforts, because no other nation has the resources, the reach or the relationships to marshal an effective international response.

Cruel and unusual:Trump tweeted heartlessly about Ebola in 2014. He's ill-equipped to handle 2019 outbreak.

That’s how we broke the infection curve on Ebola. In September 2014, CDC projections warned that over 1 million people could be infected if we failed to act. By February 2015, thanks to the leadership of our administration, the number of new Ebola cases was fewer than 400. A few months later, the epidemic was essentially extinguished.

dispatching our military on a limited mission to help build the urgent infrastructure necessary to coordinate a massive global public health response, deploying American disaster assistance response teams to Africa, unleashing the NIH to help spur the discovery of new treatments and vaccines, protecting our citizens from potential cases of Ebola in the USA, and harnessing civilian expertise from the CDC at home and abroad.

We acted over the chorus of uninformed objections from critics like Donald Trump, and more than 60 countries followed our lead, contributing over $2 billion, thousands of health professionals and personnel, and other critical resources like personal protective equipment. Just as important, we strengthened our focus on preparing for the next crisis.

That’s the kind of leadership a moment like this demands — a leadership Trump could never deliver.

Unintended consequences:Measles outbreak drains resources we may need for a future epidemic or bioterrorist attack

As president, I will reassert U.S. leadership in global health security. My policies will always uphold science, not fiction or fearmongering. I will ask Congress to beef up the Public Health Emergency Fund and give me the power to use the Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act to declare a disaster if an infectious disease threat merits it.

I will also renew funding — set to expire in May — for the nationwide network of hospitals that can isolate and treat people with infectious diseases, and fully fund the Global Health Security Agenda so the world is ready for the next outbreak. And I will rebuild public trust, make sure we have dedicated resources to help us respond to crises quickly, and better harness the capabilities of the private sector to protect the American people. Our national security requires nothing less.

Former Vice President Joe Biden is a candidate for the Democratic nomination for president. Follow him on Twitter: @JoeBiden
 
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That is a good point to use as comparison.

Although actual scientists said - " Dr. Anthony Fauci, says the president's travel restriction likely prevented a humanitarian crisis in the United States on the scale of the one that Italy is facing." Biden was merely complaining that the President took that initiative.. wow that shows "leadership"!!

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While the actual president at the time did this --
  • shut down the travel from China ,
  • tell Americans to shelter in place,
  • temporarily shut down the economy to just essential workers,
  • put industry on war-time footing so it would re-tool for PPE production
  • and make massive advancements in vaccine technology
  • Create new therapeutics like the poly-clonal antibodies etc
  • Follow guidelines for zinc, vitamin D etc.

Biden's undeniable record showed this:
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Biden has fought a pandemic before. It did not go smoothly.

“It is purely a fortuity that this isn’t one of the great mass casualty events in American history,” Ron Klain, who was Biden’s chief of staff at the time, said of H1N1 in 2019. “It had nothing to do with us doing anything right. It just had to do with luck. If anyone thinks that this can’t happen again, they don’t have to go back to 1918, they just have to go back to 2009, 2010 and imagine a virus with a different lethality, and you can just do the math on that.”


CDC estimated that 151,700-575,400 people worldwide died from (H1N1)pdm09 virus infection during the first year the virus circulated

Klain said “we did everything possible – wrong” – 60 million Americans contracted H1N1 in that period of time.

2009 H1N1 Swine Flu Pandemic: We Did Every Possible Thing Wrong


============ transcript and discussion

Levin: 60 Million Americans Got Swine Flu, Obama and Biden Stopped Testing


Ron Klain: I just have a couple things, I was in the White House in 2009-2010. I was working for Vice President Biden, I wasn’t involved directly in the H1N1 response, but I lived through it as a White House staffer. And what I will say about it is -- a bunch of really talented, really good people working on it and we did every possible thing wrong and 60 million Americans got H1N1 in that period of time.



Klain: “And it's just purely a fortuity that this isn't one of the great mass casualty events in American history. It had nothing to do with us doing anything right. It just had to do with luck. And so if anyone thinks that this can't happen again, they don't have to go back to 1918. They just have to go back to 2009, 2010. Imagine a virus with a different lethality, and you can just do the math on that.”

“In late July,” so I repeat, “in late July 2009, the CDC abruptly advised states to stop testing for the H1N1 flu and stop counting individual cases.”

That was Sharyl Attkisson for CBS News, reported in 2009.

“The rationale given for the CDC guidance to forego testing and tracking individual cases was 'why waste resources testing for the swine flu when the government has already confirmed that there is an epidemic?'” Sharyl Attkinson reported, ”some public health officials privately disagreed with the decision to stop testing and counting, telling CBS that continued tracking of this new and possibly changing virus was important because H1N1 has a different epidemiology, affects younger people more than seasonal flu, and has been shown to have a higher case fatality rate than other flu virus strains.”

But Obama, Biden said no more testing, therefore no more reporting on the consequences

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No wonder then Biden considers that such a comparison shows him to be the better leader. And no wonder a few people respond with skepticism on that point.

irrefutable.

Looks like more deflection. Trying to downplay Donald Trump's failures by pointing at other people.

When we sin, we don't point at other people's sins to make ourselves look righteous. Just the same, there's no real reason to point at fauci or Biden or anyone else, in an attempt to make Donald Trump look as if he acted promptly and correctly.

Trump Misleads on H1N1 Swine Flu Testing - FactCheck.org

Dr. Nicole Lurie, a physician and assistant secretary for preparedness and response during the H1N1 pandemic, told us the comparison to COVID-19 is “really misleading.”

“The role of testing in those two diseases is terribly different,” she said in a phone interview. “In flu, the major reason that they tested people at the beginning of the epidemic was so that you would know when influenza arrived in different communities.”

But once the virus had arrived and established itself, she said, doctors could “make a pretty good presumption” that people with flu-like symptoms had flu.

“Individual testing was no longer needed because it was just wasteful and provided no additional information,” said Lurie, who is now a strategic advisor to the CEO of the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations, a nongovernmental organization dedicated to developing vaccines to stop epidemics, including COVID-19.

Dr. Amesh Adalja, a senior scholar at the Johns Hopkins University Center for Health Security, also told us that testing for H1N1 was not particularly valuable because the virus was so prevalent, and there was a readily available therapy — Tamiflu and other similar antivirals, which also work on seasonal flu.

“The testing was onerous,” he said, noting that a confirmatory diagnostic test could take days to come back with results. “The rapid tests were not very accurate, and we had an antiviral, and we didn’t want people to refrain from giving them an antiviral because they were waiting for a test or the test result was negative.”

There are no FDA-approved drugs to treat or prevent COVID-19, although research suggests the investigational drug remdesivir may shorten the time to recovery and the steroid medication dexamethasone may improve survival of critically ill patients.

The situation with COVID-19, Lurie said, is very different, because testing is still critical for understanding where the coronavirus is spreading and because it’s an essential public health tool for controlling the virus.

“Testing triggers isolation and contact tracing,” Lurie said of the COVID-19 situation. “So for disease control, it’s really important to test. That was not the case with flu.”

Critically, too, is the fact that pandemic H1N1 influenza wasn’t nearly as dangerous as COVID-19. While there is still debate about exactly how deadly the novel coronavirus is, most experts peg the infection fatality rate at around 0.6% to 1%.

According to CDC estimates, the H1N1 pandemic infected 60.8 million Americans over a year, but led to just 12,469 deaths. That puts the infection fatality rate at 0.02%, or some 30 to 50 times less deadly than COVID-19.

“The mortality rate of H1N1 pandemic virus was lower than seasonal influenza,” Adalja said. “We found that out very quickly, and that also influenced how we dealt with it.”

In comparison, covid-19 has taken some 500,000 American lives in a single year.

Trump says doing too much coronavirus testing makes the US 'look bad' as he pushes for the country to reopen

Trump says doing too much coronavirus testing makes the US 'look bad' as he pushes for the country to reopen

Biden record of dealing with Pandemic - consistent with no Covid testing at border
 
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That is a good point to use as comparison.

Although actual scientists said - " Dr. Anthony Fauci, says the president's travel restriction likely prevented a humanitarian crisis in the United States on the scale of the one that Italy (snip)
Got a link for that? Because my impression was more along these lines:
Coronavirus: Fauci says US 'could have saved lives' with earlier action
The US "could have saved lives" if it had introduced measures to stop Covid-19 earlier, a top health official says.

"If we had, right from the beginning, shut everything down, it may have been a little bit different," Dr Anthony Fauci told CNN, but added that making that decision had been complicated.
tulc(will be interested in seeing that link)
 
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From Columbia University studies:

“130,000 – 210,000 AVOIDABLE COVID-19 DEATHS – AND COUNTING – IN THE U.S.”By Irwin Redlener, MD; Jeffrey D. Sachs, PhD; Sean Hansen, MPA; Nathaniel Hupert, MD, MPHOctober 21, 2020
Why are U.S. deaths disproportionately high?Understanding why the COVID-19 mortality rate is significantly higher in the U.S. than nearly all high-income allies is challenging, primarily because it is a confluence of factors, stemming from delayed responses, to missed opportunities, to inadequate guidance, coordination, and leadership. Each action – or inaction – had a substantial role in distinguishing the U.S. response from the nations discussed above.Insufficient testing capacity.

https://ncdp.columbia.edu/custom-content/uploads/2020/10/Avoidable-COVID-19-Deaths-US-NCDP.pdf
 
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From Columbia University studies:

“130,000 – 210,000 AVOIDABLE COVID-19 DEATHS – AND COUNTING – IN THE U.S.”By Irwin Redlener, MD; Jeffrey D. Sachs, PhD; Sean Hansen, MPA; Nathaniel Hupert, MD, MPHOctober 21, 2020
Why are U.S. deaths disproportionately high?Understanding why the COVID-19 mortality rate is significantly higher in the U.S. than nearly all high-income allies is challenging, primarily because it is a confluence of factors, stemming from delayed responses, to missed opportunities, to inadequate guidance, coordination, and leadership. Each action – or inaction – had a substantial role in distinguishing the U.S. response from the nations discussed above.Insufficient testing capacity.

https://ncdp.columbia.edu/custom-content/uploads/2020/10/Avoidable-COVID-19-Deaths-US-NCDP.pdf
Is this the Dr. Irwin Redlener that is referred to here :
"In May 2020 Redlener said the development and approval of a COVID-19 vaccine would take at least another year; after a vaccine was approved by the Food and Drug Administration in December 2020 Politico named Adams' prediction one of "the most audacious, confident and spectacularly incorrect prognostications about the year".
This is the man that in 2014 was appointed special adviser by Mayor De Blasio for disaster preparedness in New York City. He obviously did a fantastic job, especially considering that he touts himself as an expert in disease preparedness. There is room to criticize Trump in his handling of the virus. It seems like a lot of left wing oppositional rhetoric to me done by a bunch of Monday morning quarterbacks; but this guy was responsible for assuring that New York City had adequate disease preparedness. It is so hypocritical of someone like this to shift the blame to Trump without taking a bit of the blame on himself.
 
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There is room to criticize Trump in his handling of the virus. It seems like a lot of left wing oppositional rhetoric to me done by a bunch of Monday morning quarterbacks; but this guy was responsible for assuring that New York City had adequate disease preparedness.

Unfortunately, the federal government not only hoarded necessary supplies, but told supply sources to send any material ordered by the states to Trump's people.
Trump has been pressing states to buy their own supplies and not to rely on the federal government. However, when Colorado did just that and ordered 500 ventilators, the order was canceled by FEMA so it could buy the ventilators.

“So either work with us or don’t do anything at all,” Polis said on CNN last week after FEMA swiped the goods. “But this middle ground where they’re buying stuff out from under us and not telling us what we’re going to get — that’s really challenging to manage our hospital surge and our safety of our health care workers in that kind of environment.”

After Feds Grab Colorado Order Of 500 Ventilators, Trump Tweets State Will Get 100 From Stockpile

So not surprising that federal government hoarding supplies also caused more deaths. Most authorities believe that the vaccine would take a year or more. That has been the case for most vaccines like this. Surprising maybe to politicians, but not to physicians or virologists.

The speed with which researchers and pharmaceutical companies have responded to the coronavirus epidemic has been described as "unprecedented" by Dr Jerome Kim, Director-General of the International Vaccine Institute.

“When we are used to five-year time frames, to see something go into human testing on March 17 is really a remarkable thing,” he told CNBC. “Does this guarantee success? Not necessarily. Vaccine development is characterised by a high failure rate – often 93% between animal studies and registration of a product.”

The discovery and research phase is normally two-to-five years, according to the Wellcome Trust. In total, a vaccine can take more than 10 years to fully develop and costs up to $500 million, the UK charity says.

5 charts that tell the story of vaccines today

It hardly needs to be pointed out that Trump's repeated denials and foot-dragging killed tens of thousands of Americans. Other nations have done much better than we have because of the incompetence at the top.
 
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President Biden's undeniable record:
===============================

Some folks apparently do not like the fact that Biden lets immigrants in without being tested for COVID:

Tucker Carlson: Under Biden, you need a negative COVID test to enter US -- unless you're an illegal alien

Well one explanation might be -- "because that is exactly how he handled SWINE Flu"

Biden has fought a pandemic before. It did not go smoothly.

“It is purely a fortuity that this isn’t one of the great mass casualty events in American history,” Ron Klain, who was Biden’s chief of staff at the time, said of H1N1 in 2019. “It had nothing to do with us doing anything right. It just had to do with luck. If anyone thinks that this can’t happen again, they don’t have to go back to 1918, they just have to go back to 2009, 2010 and imagine a virus with a different lethality, and you can just do the math on that.”


CDC estimated that 151,700-575,400 people worldwide died from (H1N1)pdm09 virus infection during the first year the virus circulated

Klain said “we did everything possible – wrong” – 60 million Americans contracted H1N1 in that period of time.

2009 H1N1 Swine Flu Pandemic: We Did Every Possible Thing Wrong


============ transcript and discussion

Levin: 60 Million Americans Got Swine Flu, Obama and Biden Stopped Testing


Ron Klain: I just have a couple things, I was in the White House in 2009-2010. I was working for Vice President Biden, I wasn’t involved directly in the H1N1 response, but I lived through it as a White House staffer. And what I will say about it is -- a bunch of really talented, really good people working on it and we did every possible thing wrong and 60 million Americans got H1N1 in that period of time.



Klain: “And it's just purely a fortuity that this isn't one of the great mass casualty events in American history. It had nothing to do with us doing anything right. It just had to do with luck. And so if anyone thinks that this can't happen again, they don't have to go back to 1918. They just have to go back to 2009, 2010. Imagine a virus with a different lethality, and you can just do the math on that.”


So Biden says in effect "see!! I know what I am doing -- let me take the wheel"... after Trump worked with industry to get vaccines out in absolute world-record-time as well as shutting down the country to a great extent to protect against the pandemic. Hint "I don't remember wearing masks during the Obama Biden Admin"


... more from that link above..


“In late July,” so I repeat, “in late July, the CDC abruptly advised states to stop testing for the H1N1 flu and stop counting individual cases.”

That was Sharyl Attkisson for CBS News, reported in 2009.

“The rationale given for the CDC guidance to forego testing and tracking individual cases was 'why waste resources testing for the swine flu when the government has already confirmed that there is an epidemic?'” Sharyl Attkinson reported, ”some public health officials privately disagreed with the decision to stop testing and counting, telling CBS that continued tracking of this new and possibly changing virus was important because H1N1 has a different epidemiology, affects younger people more than seasonal flu, and has been shown to have a higher case fatality rate than other flu virus strains.”

But Obama, Biden said no more testing, therefore no more reporting on the consequences

=============================

By contrast President Trump's 2020 plan included
  • shut down the travel from China ,
  • tell Americans to shelter in place,
  • temporarily shut down the economy to just essential workers,
  • put industry on war-time footing so it would re-tool for PPE production
  • and make massive advancements in vaccine technology
  • Create new therapeutics like the polyclonal antibodies etc
  • Follow guidelines for zinc, vitamin D etc.

February 7:President Trump tells Bob Woodward, This is Dangerous Stuff.” And the President’ was focusing on the virus. Trump told Woodward that the night before, he’d spoken to Chinese President Xi Jinping about the virus. Woodward quotes Trump as saying, “We’ve got a little bit of an interesting setback with the virus going in China.” “It goes through the air,” Trump said. “That’s always tougher than the touch. You don’t have to touch things. Right? But the air, you just breathe the air, and that’s how it’s passed. And so that’s a very tricky one. That’s a very delicate one. It’s also more deadly than even your strenuous flus.”

================ timeline

Jan 31 - President Trump bans/restricts travel from China (democrats complain).
Feb 2 - first Covid death outside of China reported.
Feb 24 - Pelosi without a mask , and no social distancing - saying 'come to china town'
Feb 29 - first death of a US COVID patient
March 15 - CDC recommends no large gatherings. so 15 or less allowed.
March/April States issue shelter in place orders

Jan 22, 2020 - Democrats in congress stay focused on impeachment.
https: // www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-01-22/more-sparring-likely-before-house-makes-case-impeachment-update

=========================================
Feb 2020 - impeachment was too important to be bothered with COVID concerns.

"Back then, the potentially catastrophic nature of the outbreak was still not widely understood. On Jan. 24, at the urging of Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.), administration officials held a briefing for the full Senate. But the classified session was sparsely attended, two Senate aides said, because it was put together at the last minute and was held on the same day as a deadline for senators to submit their impeachment questions. Only about 14 of them showed up.

“The initial thought from the Dems, I think, is that we were trying to distract from impeachment,” a GOP Senate aide said. A White House official recalled feeling surprised at the “incredibly” poor attendance, noting that it came “even though the amount of concern expressed then was rather intense.”

From distraction to disaster: How coronavirus crept up on Washington


Fox's lawyers: The "'general tenor' of the show should then inform a viewer that [Carlson] is not 'stating actual facts' about the topics he discusses and is instead engaging in 'exaggeration' and 'non-literal commentary.' "

You Literally Can't Believe The Facts Tucker Carlson Tells You. So Say Fox's Lawyers
 
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BobRyan said:
That is a good point to use as comparison.

Although actual scientists said - " Dr. Anthony Fauci, says the president's travel restriction likely prevented a humanitarian crisis in the United States on the scale of the one that Italy is facing." Biden was merely complaining that the President took that initiative.. wow that shows "leadership"!!

==========================

While the actual president at the time did this --
  • shut down the travel from China ,
  • tell Americans to shelter in place,
  • temporarily shut down the economy to just essential workers,
  • put industry on war-time footing so it would re-tool for PPE production
  • and make massive advancements in vaccine technology
  • Create new therapeutics like the poly-clonal antibodies etc
  • Follow guidelines for zinc, vitamin D etc.

Biden's undeniable record showed this:
===============================

Biden has fought a pandemic before. It did not go smoothly.

“It is purely a fortuity that this isn’t one of the great mass casualty events in American history,” Ron Klain, who was Biden’s chief of staff at the time, said of H1N1 in 2019. “It had nothing to do with us doing anything right. It just had to do with luck. If anyone thinks that this can’t happen again, they don’t have to go back to 1918, they just have to go back to 2009, 2010 and imagine a virus with a different lethality, and you can just do the math on that.”


CDC estimated that 151,700-575,400 people worldwide died from (H1N1)pdm09 virus infection during the first year the virus circulated

Klain said “we did everything possible – wrong” – 60 million Americans contracted H1N1 in that period of time.

2009 H1N1 Swine Flu Pandemic: We Did Every Possible Thing Wrong



============ transcript and discussion

Levin: 60 Million Americans Got Swine Flu, Obama and Biden Stopped Testing


Ron Klain: I just have a couple things, I was in the White House in 2009-2010. I was working for Vice President Biden, I wasn’t involved directly in the H1N1 response, but I lived through it as a White House staffer. And what I will say about it is -- a bunch of really talented, really good people working on it and we did every possible thing wrong and 60 million Americans got H1N1 in that period of time.



Klain: “And it's just purely a fortuity that this isn't one of the great mass casualty events in American history. It had nothing to do with us doing anything right. It just had to do with luck. And so if anyone thinks that this can't happen again, they don't have to go back to 1918. They just have to go back to 2009, 2010. Imagine a virus with a different lethality, and you can just do the math on that.”

“In late July,” so I repeat, “in late July 2009, the CDC abruptly advised states to stop testing for the H1N1 flu and stop counting individual cases.”

That was Sharyl Attkisson for CBS News, reported in 2009.

“The rationale given for the CDC guidance to forego testing and tracking individual cases was 'why waste resources testing for the swine flu when the government has already confirmed that there is an epidemic?'” Sharyl Attkinson reported, ”some public health officials privately disagreed with the decision to stop testing and counting, telling CBS that continued tracking of this new and possibly changing virus was important because H1N1 has a different epidemiology, affects younger people more than seasonal flu, and has been shown to have a higher case fatality rate than other flu virus strains.”

But Obama, Biden said no more testing, therefore no more reporting on the consequences

=====================

No wonder then Biden considers that such a comparison shows him to be the better leader. And no wonder a few people respond with skepticism on that point.

irrefutable.

Looks like more deflection. Trying to downplay Donald Trump's failures by pointing at other people.

I was just comparing the two on the "details" about what actually was done for the Pandemic in 2020 that did not get done in Biden's pandemic during the Obama-Biden fiasco.
 
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BobRyan said:
President Biden's undeniable record:
===============================

Some folks apparently do not like the fact that Biden lets immigrants in without being tested for COVID:

Tucker Carlson: Under Biden, you need a negative COVID test to enter US -- unless you're an illegal alien

Well one explanation might be -- "because that is exactly how he handled SWINE Flu"

Biden has fought a pandemic before. It did not go smoothly.

“It is purely a fortuity that this isn’t one of the great mass casualty events in American history,” Ron Klain, who was Biden’s chief of staff at the time, said of H1N1 in 2019. “It had nothing to do with us doing anything right. It just had to do with luck. If anyone thinks that this can’t happen again, they don’t have to go back to 1918, they just have to go back to 2009, 2010 and imagine a virus with a different lethality, and you can just do the math on that.”


CDC estimated that 151,700-575,400 people worldwide died from (H1N1)pdm09 virus infection during the first year the virus circulated

Klain said “we did everything possible – wrong” – 60 million Americans contracted H1N1 in that period of time.

2009 H1N1 Swine Flu Pandemic: We Did Every Possible Thing Wrong



============ transcript and discussion

Levin: 60 Million Americans Got Swine Flu, Obama and Biden Stopped Testing


Ron Klain: I just have a couple things, I was in the White House in 2009-2010. I was working for Vice President Biden, I wasn’t involved directly in the H1N1 response, but I lived through it as a White House staffer. And what I will say about it is -- a bunch of really talented, really good people working on it and we did every possible thing wrong and 60 million Americans got H1N1 in that period of time.



Klain: “And it's just purely a fortuity that this isn't one of the great mass casualty events in American history. It had nothing to do with us doing anything right. It just had to do with luck. And so if anyone thinks that this can't happen again, they don't have to go back to 1918. They just have to go back to 2009, 2010. Imagine a virus with a different lethality, and you can just do the math on that.”


So Biden says in effect "see!! I know what I am doing -- let me take the wheel"... after Trump worked with industry to get vaccines out in absolute world-record-time as well as shutting down the country to a great extent to protect against the pandemic. Hint "I don't remember wearing masks during the Obama Biden Admin"


... more from that link above..


“In late July,” so I repeat, “in late July, the CDC abruptly advised states to stop testing for the H1N1 flu and stop counting individual cases.”

That was Sharyl Attkisson for CBS News, reported in 2009.

“The rationale given for the CDC guidance to forego testing and tracking individual cases was 'why waste resources testing for the swine flu when the government has already confirmed that there is an epidemic?'” Sharyl Attkinson reported, ”some public health officials privately disagreed with the decision to stop testing and counting, telling CBS that continued tracking of this new and possibly changing virus was important because H1N1 has a different epidemiology, affects younger people more than seasonal flu, and has been shown to have a higher case fatality rate than other flu virus strains.”

But Obama, Biden said no more testing, therefore no more reporting on the consequences

=============================

By contrast President Trump's 2020 plan included
  • shut down the travel from China ,
  • tell Americans to shelter in place,
  • temporarily shut down the economy to just essential workers,
  • put industry on war-time footing so it would re-tool for PPE production
  • and make massive advancements in vaccine technology
  • Create new therapeutics like the polyclonal antibodies etc
  • Follow guidelines for zinc, vitamin D etc.

February 7:President Trump tells Bob Woodward, This is Dangerous Stuff.” And the President’ was focusing on the virus. Trump told Woodward that the night before, he’d spoken to Chinese President Xi Jinping about the virus. Woodward quotes Trump as saying, “We’ve got a little bit of an interesting setback with the virus going in China.” “It goes through the air,” Trump said. “That’s always tougher than the touch. You don’t have to touch things. Right? But the air, you just breathe the air, and that’s how it’s passed. And so that’s a very tricky one. That’s a very delicate one. It’s also more deadly than even your strenuous flus.”

================ timeline

Jan 31 - President Trump bans/restricts travel from China (democrats complain).
Feb 2 - first Covid death outside of China reported.
Feb 24 - Pelosi without a mask , and no social distancing - saying 'come to china town'
Feb 29 - first death of a US COVID patient
March 15 - CDC recommends no large gatherings. so 15 or less allowed.
March/April States issue shelter in place orders

Jan 22, 2020 - Democrats in congress stay focused on impeachment.
https: // www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-01-22/more-sparring-likely-before-house-makes-case-impeachment-update

=========================================
Feb 2020 - impeachment was too important to be bothered with COVID concerns.

"Back then, the potentially catastrophic nature of the outbreak was still not widely understood. On Jan. 24, at the urging of Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.), administration officials held a briefing for the full Senate. But the classified session was sparsely attended, two Senate aides said, because it was put together at the last minute and was held on the same day as a deadline for senators to submit their impeachment questions. Only about 14 of them showed up.

“The initial thought from the Dems, I think, is that we were trying to distract from impeachment,” a GOP Senate aide said. A White House official recalled feeling surprised at the “incredibly” poor attendance, noting that it came “even though the amount of concern expressed then was rather intense.”

From distraction to disaster: How coronavirus crept up on Washington

Fox's lawyers: The "'general tenor' of the show should then inform a viewer that [Carlson] is not 'stating actual facts' about the topics he discusses and is instead engaging in 'exaggeration' and 'non-literal commentary.' "

You Literally Can't Believe The Facts Tucker Carlson Tells You. So Say Fox's Lawyers

Hmmm that quote included the link to this clip from C-SPAN
Pandemic and Biosecurity Policy Summit, Part 2 | C-SPAN.org

Where Klain says this --

Klain: “And it's just purely a fortuity that this isn't one of the great mass casualty events in American history. It had nothing to do with us doing anything right. It just had to do with luck. And so if anyone thinks that this can't happen again, they don't have to go back to 1918. They just have to go back to 2009, 2010. Imagine a virus with a different lethality, and you can just do the math on that.”

And you seem to be saying that this can all be solved by not watching Tucker Carlson?

Does c-Span get deleted when I don't watch Carlson?
 
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