Biden approval rating at 63% in new poll, buoyed by his handling of pandemic

[Fantine]

I understand that in your narrow and limited definition of 'pro-life' Biden is not pro-life.

I guess kindness, compassion, and solid legislation and proposals that are more effective than punitive laws don't count for much in your view.

 

[Hammster]

I understand that in your narrow and limited definition of 'pro-life' Biden is not pro-life.

I guess kindness, compassion, and solid legislation and proposals that are more effective than punitive laws don't count for much in your view.

It’s not narrow. He’s pro-abortion. But let me address your point and explain why it’s not really helpful.

Let’s say there’s a city with a high murder rate. And I’m able to determine which folks are most likely to commit murder, and I go full vigilante on the city, and take those people out. The murder rate drops dramatically.

Did I do a good thing, or am I a murderer?

 

[Fantine]

No one is pro-abortion.

 

[Hammster]

No one is pro-abortion.

Lol. Okay.

 

[Hammster]

Alyssa Milano reveals she had two abortions within months in 1993

 

[The Barbarian]

Opposes racist??

Yep. That's why racists hate him and minorities love him.

Is this the Joe Biden who authored a policy that targeted and imprisoned minorities in greater numbers than ever before?

Nope. He did back a law that increased penalties for serious offenses, but some judges used it to target minorities. There's nothing in the law at all that does that. It was just an excuse. Biden, as you know, advocated changes in the law so that it couldn't be used to target minorities.

Is this the Joe Biden that supported segregation?

Nope. Biden was an author of the Civil Rights law, and worked tirelessly to get it passed and signed into law. During that time, he had a 100% rating from the NAACP. So I'm thinking they're a more reliable source than you are.

White nationalists made a big deal of his opposition to busing to desegregate schools. Biden claimed (correctly as it turns out) that busing wouldn't accomplish desegegation, and would allow racists to stir up trouble.

Is this the Joe Biden whose mentor was not just a member of the KKK, but a recruiter for them.

Mike Mansfield? No, I don't think so. It was Mansfield who took Biden under his wing, and even convinced him to stay on in the Senate after Biden's wife was killed in a traffic accident.

It's true that Biden got along with almost everyone, even those who fought him for backing civil rights of minorities. His friend, democrat Robert Byrd, eventually agreed that Biden was right, and apologized for his racism. His friend, republican Strom Thurmond, never did apologize for his racism, but the two men got along even though they strongly disagreed on civil rights.

Opposes racist

Did, and still does. It's why white nationalists try to portray him as one of them, but most Americans and almost all minorities know better.

I don't think so.

The key thing about reality is, it doesn't care what you think of it. Anyway, there's never been a time when minorities were fooled. They continued to support Biden because of his opposition to racism.

 

[The Barbarian]

Again, the statistics don’t make him pro-life.

The key is his personal conduct. Biden has never paid for any abortion. Trump refused to say. Here's why:

Audio Surfaces With Donald Trump Coercing His Mistress To Have Abortion
SHOCKER: Trump Admits He Wanted His Mistress To Have An Abortion

 

[Hammster]

The key is his personal conduct. Biden has never paid for any abortion. Trump refused to say. Here's why:

Audio Surfaces With Donald Trump Coercing His Mistress To Have Abortion
SHOCKER: Trump Admits He Wanted His Mistress To Have An Abortion

Biden is still not pro-life.

 

[The Barbarian]

Most of them like free money sent by the government. Is that a surprise?

Why should normal Americans be different than Trump's friends? The difference is, you give poor and middle-class Americans money, and they spend it. Spending it boosts the economy and a rising tide raises all boats.

On the other hand, Trump's lavish gifts to his friends didn't work. Now the economy is recovering, jobs are increasing, and the outlook is good again, after Trump's mismanagement.

Inflation had been under control but is now rising under Biden.

Yeah, when the economy goes in the toilet, inflation is "under control." For obvious reasons. Trump put us in the worst turndown since the Great Recession. Biden is now pulling us out of it. And so prices rise. The key is to keep it from getting out of hand.

Over the last two years, would you prefer Trump's economy or Biden's? Americans have already figured out what they like best.

His "ambitious program" with the virus has been nothing more than saying we should get vaccinated

No. That's all that Trump did. Biden also made vaccines widely available, set up an ambitious target for getting people vaccinated, and exceeded his goal. All the stuff Trump can't do.

(with the vaccines Trump made possible, against the predictions of all the skeptics).

Trump pandered to the skeptics. He called the pandemic warnings a "hoax", pretended that it would just "go away, like a miracle", all while admitting on tape, he knew otherwise.

And his foreign policy amounts to giving in to whatever China, Iran, and Russia want.

Not according to China, which seems pretty miffed that Biden has called them out for their misbehavior. They preferred Trump who fell for all their promises:

President Trump on Friday praised Chinese premier Xi Jinping for the country’s handling of the novel coronavirus outbreak as the death toll from the epidemic topped 600.


“Just had a long and very good conversation by phone with President Xi of China. He is strong, sharp and powerfully focused on leading the counterattack on the Coronavirus,” Trump wrote on Twitter. “Great discipline is taking place in China, as President Xi strongly leads what will be a very successful operation. We are working closely with China to help!”


While Xi did not thank the president during the call, the Chinese leader aimed to reassure Trump that the outbreak was under control.
Trump Praises Xi for Handling of Coronavirus Outbreak as Death Toll Passes 600 | National Review

Not according to Russia:
President Joe Biden ordered fresh sanctions on Russia, including restrictions on buying new sovereign debt, in response to allegations that Moscow was behind a hack on SolarWinds Corp. and interfered with last year’s U.S. election.

The new measures sanction 32 entities and individuals, including government and intelligence officials, and six Russian companies that provide support to the Russian government’s hacking operations. The U.S. is also expelling 10 Russian diplomats working in Washington, including some intelligence officers.

The Biden administration is barring U.S. financial institutions from participating in the primary market for new debt issued by the Russian central bank, Finance Ministry and sovereign wealth fund. Those limits would take effect starting June 14.

Russian bonds fell and the ruble dropped the most since December on news of the impending penalties, although the ruble and Russian bonds recovered some of their losses after the sanctions were announced.
Biden Sanctions Russia, Restricts Buying New Debt After Hacking

Not according to Iran:
President Joe Biden criticized Iran’s decision to further enrich uranium but signaled that the move won’t prevent indirect talks in Vienna aimed at restoring the 2015 nuclear accord from proceeding.

“We do not support and do not think it’s at all helpful that Iran is saying it is going to move to enrich at 60% -- it is contrary to the agreement,” Biden said Friday at a news conference alongside Japanese Prime Minister Yoshihide Suga.

“We are, though, nonetheless pleased that Iran has continued to agree to engage in discussions, indirect discussions, with us and with our partners on how we move forward and what is needed for us to move back into” the nuclear deal, Biden added.
Biden Criticizes Iran’s Uranium Enrichment But Says Talks Go On

But there's free money!

That's what works. But only if you give it to people likely to spend it. Economics 101.

 

[The Barbarian]

Biden is still not pro-life.

Rather Trump and republicans are now pro-abortion. Democrats are generally pro-abortion. Republicans generally lie and claim to be pro-life.

That's how it is.

 

[The Barbarian]

No doubt Trump was/is a sleaze ball, but Biden is not the choir boy you're portraying.

Why do you feel you can't make a point without wildly exaggerating what someone else says?

You'd be more credible if you didn't carry on like that.

 

[Hammster]

Rather Trump and republicans are now pro-abortion. Democrats are generally pro-abortion. Republicans generally lie and claim to be pro-life.

That's how it is.

And none of changes the fact that Biden isn’t this great moral guy that you want him to be.

 

[Albion]

Why should normal Americans be different than Trump's friends?

The difference is not with the particular President so much as it is with the grants-in-aid. Biden has simply showered people, often regardless of need, with free money. That's something that went far beyond what Trump ever did, Covid or no Covid.

On the other hand, Trump's lavish gifts to his friends didn't work.

That myth should not be part of this discussion. The wealthiest taxpayers actually had their taxes increased under the Trump tax reforms.

Now the economy is recovering, jobs are increasing, and the outlook is good again, after Trump's mismanagement.

A surge in inflation that economists expect to continue , tens of thousands of businesses unable to find employees when they desperately need them, and soaring gas prices attributable to Biden edicts are not signs of a "good" outlook.

 

[The Barbarian]

The difference is not with the particular President so much as it is with the grants-in-aid. Biden has simply showered people, often regardless of need, with free money.

Only this time, it actually has a useful purpose. If you want to get an wrecked economy such as Donald Trump left behind him, going again, one way to do it is to inject money into the economy. But it only works if you give it to people who will spend most of it. That's the difference. Trump showered his friends with lavish tax cuts and government handouts.

Biden made sure the money went were it would revive the economy.

That's something that went far beyond what Trump ever did...

No kidding. Results matter.

 

[The Barbarian]

The wealthiest taxpayers actually had their taxes increased under the Trump tax reforms.

That myth should not be part of this discussion. The wealthiest taxpayers actually had their taxes drastically cut under the Trump tax giveaways. But that doesn't do much for the economy, because they don't spend it. The lavish tax cuts on corporations were mostly used to buy back stock.

A surge in inflation that economists expect to continue

Inflation is always a concern during a recovery. On one hand, rising demand, particularly for things hard-hit by the Trump economy, will push up prices. Lumber and gasoline are examples. It's a better result than a collapsing economy.

Real gross domestic product (GDP) increased at an annual rate of 6.4 percent in the first quarter of 2021, reflecting the continued economic recovery, reopening of establishments, and continued government response related to the COVID-19 pandemic. The increase was the same rate as the “advance” estimate released in April. In the first quarter, government assistance payments, such as direct economic impact payments, expanded unemployment benefits, and Paycheck Protection Program loans were distributed to households and businesses through the Coronavirus Response and Relief Supplemental Appropriations Act and the American Rescue Plan Act. In the fourth quarter of 2020, real GDP increased 4.3 percent.
Gross Domestic Product | U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA)

tens of thousands of businesses unable to find employees when they desperately need them

Particularly businesses who were demanding that wages remain as they were at the bottom of the Trump economy. Go figure.

and soaring gas prices attributable to Biden edicts

You need to keep up on things:
1. Crude oil prices are surging
As with gasoline, the price of crude oil tanked last spring as COVID-19 wrecked economies and stopped people from traveling. To prop up oil prices, the OPEC cartel and its allies slashed oil production. But lately, crude prices have been soaring — because OPEC has been slow to boost output again.

2. Harsh winter has been tough on refineries

3. The pandemic also knocked out refineries

4. Vaccinations are boosting travel

5. Stimulus checks will drive up spending — and prices

6. Summer will bring pricier gasoline blends

Oh, and this:
Gas Prices Fall Slightly As Demand Cools

We're seeing a return of the "blame Obama for everything" excuses by republicans; people aren't buying it.

 

[The Barbarian]

And none of changes the fact that Biden isn’t this great moral guy that you want him to be.

He's been a faithful husband. He hasn't sexually assaulted anyone. He pays his bills. He's never had to pay millions of dollars to people he defrauded. He's never mocked our fallen troops as "suckers" or "losers."

That's a pretty low bar, but that's where Donald Trump set it.

 

[Hammster]

He's been a faithful husband. He hasn't sexually assaulted anyone. He pays his bills. He's never had to pay millions of dollars to people he defrauded. He's never mocked our fallen troops as "suckers" or "losers."

That's a pretty low bar, but that's where Donald Trump set it.

He’s for killing unborn babies.

 

[The Barbarian]

He’s for killing unborn babies.

Trump won't even tell us if he actually killed an unborn baby. Which Biden has never done. And as you know, abortion has declined faster under democrat presidents than republican presidents. Results matter.

Assuming it's not just a political game to make points.

Maybe that's the problem.

 

[Hammster]

Trump won't even tell us if he actually killed an unborn baby. Which Biden has never done. And as you know, abortion has declined faster under democrat presidents than republican presidents. Results matter.

Assuming it's not just a political game to make points.

Maybe that's the problem.

Well, Trump isn’t the president, and the thread isn’t about him. So who cares about him.

Biden wants to fund abortions. That seems more relevant as opposed to a former president.

 

[The Barbarian]

Well, Trump isn’t the president, and the thread isn’t about him. So who cares about him.

Just noting the selective outrage.