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[Steezie]

Yes, but when has the flu ever not been serious for young children and pregnant women?

Why all the hysteria over Swine Flu anyway?
1. The virus has never mutated,
2. It's no worse than the regular flu and
3. It's only dangerous to little kids, the elderly, and pregnant women

It's all media hyperventilation!
Ringo

Swine flu is actually MORE benign than regular influenza.

Regular influenza kills several hundred thousand people around the world every year and swine flu has killed just under 5,000.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

My doctor isn't giving it. He said we might want to consider getting our two asthmatic sons vaccinated, but that we could probably avoid it by just upping our hygiene practices. I already carry antibacterial stuff everywhere, which my doc says is good for avoiding swine flu, and we wash our hands all the time anyway because we deal with small children and the elderly on a regular basis.

*off to read snopes now.

 

[keith99]

Yes, but when has the flu ever not been serious for young children and pregnant women?

Why all the hysteria over Swine Flu anyway?
1. The virus has never mutated,
2. It's no worse than the regular flu and
3. It's only dangerous to little kids, the elderly, and pregnant women

It's all media hyperventilation!
Ringo

I believe the legitimate concerns (as opposed to the panic press) is that the current Swine Flu is different in significant ways from any that has been widely transmitted for a few decades. That means the naturally occuring immunity from having been infected 5,10 or 20 years ago is less effective than it would be against other strains that are more similar to more recent outbreaks. For a healthy adult that means your body has to do a bit more work to get the defenses going, really no big deal, sick 2 weeks instead of 1. But for the elderly, those not is good health or the young that start up time for defenses can be very serious. And in other parts of the world where underlying nutrition and health are poor that start up time is apt to be fatal.

I'd say vacination does make sense for those in the medical fields to prevent being carriers (after all they will be in contact with thsoe who are not in good health) and for those in at risk groups. (Though some who are at extreme risk might not want ot be vacinated as the vacine effects could be problem causing).

 

[soblessed53]

Yes, but when has the flu ever not been serious for young children and pregnant women?

Why all the hysteria over Swine Flu anyway?
1. The virus has never mutated,
2. It's no worse than the regular flu and
3. It's only dangerous to little kids, the elderly, and pregnant women

It's all media hyperventilation!
Ringo

New swine flu feared to be weaponized strain
Apr 27, 2009, 00:12

According to two mainstream media journalists, one in Mexico City and the other in Jakarta, who spoke to WMR on background, they are convinced that the current outbreak of a new strain of swine flu in Mexico and some parts of the United States is the result of the introduction of a human-engineered pathogen that could result in a widespread global pandemic, with potentially catastrophic consequences for domestic and international travel and commerce.

The journalists have been told by top officials of the United Nations and the World Health Organization (WHO) about the grave dangers posed by the new and deadly swine flu strain, known as A-H1N1. This flu, never before seen by scientists,

New swine flu feared to be weaponized strain

The CDC's Vaccination Genocide

YouTube - The CDC's Vaccination Genocide

Dr. Horowitz's theories about viruses and about the dangers of vaccination have been well-received in some quarters. On several websites besides Dr. Horowitz's own, Bo Gritz is quoted suggesting that he deserves a Nobel Prize. The Nation of Islam cautioned African-American parents about vaccination of their children, and Dr. Horowitz seems to have had significant influence on their decision to make this announcement.
Reception of Emerging Viruses: Ebola and AIDS

In 1996, Dr. Horowitz published Emerging Viruses: AIDS and Ebola -- Nature, Accident or Intentional? . Its publication resulted in invitations to speak on a community cable channel[23], and as the keynote speaker at an epidemic diseases seminar[24], but otherwise seems to have gone mostly unnoticed at the time. It has attracted negligible attention from mainstream book reviewers since first publication, possibly because it is a self-published title containing conspiracy theories. However, as of May 2008, Emerging Viruses had come to be ranked above Richard Preston's The Hot Zone: A Terrifying True Story and Laurie Garrett's The Coming Plague: Newly Emerging Diseases in a World Out of Balance in the Amazon categories of "Infectious Disease" and "Communicable Diseases". It also had an overall Amazon sales rank above that of either book. The Hot Zone and The Coming Plague, which have been in print for about the same length of time, enjoyed the support of mainstream publishers and mainstream reviewers; Emerging Viruses did not.

Leonard Horowitz - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ron Paul On Immunization Shots

YouTube - Ron Paul On Immunization Shots

Do Flu Shots Work? Ask A Vaccine Manufacturer.

YouTube - Do Flu Shots Work? Ask A Vaccine Manufacturer.


H5N1 DNA in Flu Vaccine Must Watch

YouTube - H5N1 DNA in Flu Vaccine Must Watch

Wayne Madsen on Alex Jones Tvoctors & Scientists Refuse To Take The H1N1 Vaccine!!

Wayne Madsen on Alex Jones Tvoctors & Scientists Refuse To Take The H1N1 Vaccine!! >> Four Winds 10 - fourwinds10.com

Warning: Swine Flu Shot Linked to Killer Nerve Disease (with videos)
Sept. 1, 2009
A warning that the swine flu vaccine has been linked to a deadly nerve disease has been sent by the UK Government to senior neurologists in a confidential letter.

The letter from the Health Protection Agency, the official body that oversees public health, was leaked to The Daily Mail, leading to demands to know why the information has not been given to the public before the vaccination of millions of people, including children, begins.

It tells the neurologists that they must be alert for an increase in a brain disorder called Guillain-Barre Syndrome (GBS), which could be triggered by the vaccine. GBS attacks the lining of the nerves, causing paralysis and inability to breathe, and can be fatal.

The letter refers to the use of a similar swine flu vaccine in the United States in 1976 when:

* More people died from the vaccination than from swine flu
* The vaccine may have increased the risk of contracting GBS by eight times
* The vaccine was withdrawn after just ten weeks when the link with GBS became clear
* The U.S. Government was forced to pay out millions of dollars to those affected

Concerns have already been raised that 'the new vaccine has not been sufficiently tested' and that the effects, especially on children, are unknown.

Sources:

The Daily Mail August 15, 2009

Dr. Mercola''s Comments Dr. Mercola's Comments:

As mentioned in this article, the 1976 swine flu vaccine campaign caused more harm than good, and there are indications that the current campaign may end up being a devastating repeat or worse.

At that time, one person died from the actual swine flu, while 25 people died from adverse reactions to the vaccine, and several hundred people developed crippling Guillain-Barré Syndrome.

According to The Daily Mail, the British Health Protection Agency sent letters to 600 neurologists on July 29th, warning them to be on the lookout for cases of Guillain- Barré Syndrome once the swine flu vaccine campaign begins.

Why the warning was not sent out to general practitioners, who will be administering the shot, seems an odd choice if public safety is indeed the main concern.

This confidential correspondence between the British public health agency and neurologists in the U.K. is the first clue
that all is probably not well with this fast-tracked pandemic vaccine.

Are You Willing to Let Them Experiment on Your Child?

According to a recent report from CNN, the U.S. is set to receive as many as 600 million doses of swine flu vaccine, enough for 300 million Americans.

Based on the recommendations from the World Health Organization’s (WHO) advisory group on immunization matters, the top priority groups that stand to receive the vaccine first include:

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Pregnant women
*

Children over the age of 6 months with chronic health conditions
*

Adults with chronic health conditions such as chronic respiratory disease, asthma, or obesity
*

Health care workers

However, pregnant women, children, and those whose immune systems are already compromised are also at even greater risk to suffer severe side effects from the vaccine, as the adjuvants in the vaccine are designed to reduce your immune function.

Barbara Loe Fisher of the National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC) recently warned about the campaign underway to turn schools into virtual vaccination clinics. In many U.S. states, school has already started, so the decision of whether or not to vaccinate your child may become an issue you’ll have to deal with in the coming weeks.

Swine Flu Drug of Choice Causes Side Effects in Half of All Children

Warning: Swine Flu Shot Linked to Killer Nerve Disease (with videos) >> Four Winds 10 - fourwinds10.com

BTW,anymore I believe that trusting "Snopes" is the same as trusting the FDA,CDC,and WHO!

 

[Gishin]

Thanks for doing your part to spread disease and death, soblessed. It's the rabid ignorance displayed above that gets people killed by treatable diseases.

 

[StormKatty09]

swine flu a way to drain out overpopulation.

 

[Ringo84]

I believe the legitimate concerns (as opposed to the panic press) is that the current Swine Flu is different in significant ways from any that has been widely transmitted for a few decades. That means the naturally occuring immunity from having been infected 5,10 or 20 years ago is less effective than it would be against other strains that are more similar to more recent outbreaks. For a healthy adult that means your body has to do a bit more work to get the defenses going, really no big deal, sick 2 weeks instead of 1. But for the elderly, those not is good health or the young that start up time for defenses can be very serious. And in other parts of the world where underlying nutrition and health are poor that start up time is apt to be fatal.

I'd say vacination does make sense for those in the medical fields to prevent being carriers (after all they will be in contact with thsoe who are not in good health) and for those in at risk groups. (Though some who are at extreme risk might not want ot be vacinated as the vacine effects could be problem causing).

You're right: there likely are legitimate concerns. I just don't want to see legitimate concerns turned into hysteria.
Ringo

 

[PreachersWife2004]

Thanks for doing your part to spread disease and death, soblessed. It's the rabid ignorance displayed above that gets people killed by treatable diseases.

I think that's a bit of overkill, dontcha think?

I know a fair number of people who don't vaccinate their children. I disagree with it, but I certainly don't condemn them for it, and I don't consider them ignorant. There's a lot of info in soblessed's post there - you can either look at it or not, but don't sit here and call her ignorant just because she disagrees with you.

 

[soblessed53]

I think that's a bit of overkill, dontcha think?

I know a fair number of people who don't vaccinate their children. I disagree with it, but I certainly don't condemn them for it, and I don't consider them ignorant. There's a lot of info in soblessed's post there - you can either look at it or not, but don't sit here and call her ignorant just because she disagrees with you.

Thank you! I just believe that people should at least check out what others who are not spouting "the government line" are saying,and to really think about the fact that no way has this rushed vaccine had adequate testing. Also to think about the high likelihood that this "never before seen flu strain" was genetically created,just like our "genetically modified food"!

 

[Steezie]

I think that's a bit of overkill, dontcha think?

No, no it really isnt. Actually I think it's underkill.

I know a fair number of people who don't vaccinate their children. I disagree with it, but I certainly don't condemn them for it, and I don't consider them ignorant.

I do. I most certainly do.

There's a lot of info in soblessed's post there - you can either look at it or not, but don't sit here and call her ignorant

Why? She's presenting information that five minutes of examination can show is bogus and demonstrating no grasp on even the most basic aspects of science, why should I consider her position anything BUT ignorant?

This sort of dark-ages mentality IS dangerous. If not vaccinating just endangered the people who were too smug to get vaccinated themselves then I'd really not care that much; Darwin would do his thing and this sort of lunacy would die out after a few generations. But not vaccinating puts other people at risk and THAT above all else drops the people who advocate for this irresponsible fearmongering drives me to consider them ignorant.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

I see problems in getting vaccinations where proper testing hasn't been done. Several of my friend's daughters and several of my younger girlfriends got that Gardasil vaccination and have issues stemming from it now because of a lack of testing. So yeah, I can see why people are nervous about taking "new" vaccines.

The one flu vaccine I received, five years ago, caused me to get deathly ill and I had a hospital stay of four days. Haven't had a vaccination since, and haven't gotten the flu. Some people don't need vaccinations. Some people do.

 

[BeagleMomSC]

PreachersWife.. what kind of issues from the Gardasil vaccination did they have? I'm curious, I don't know anyone who's had that vaccine.

I don't plan on getting the vaccine mostly because I am not in a high risk group and don't come into contact with large numbers of people. I do agree if you are high risk it's worth it to get it.
As for the dangers from the 70s.. remember there was a LOT less oversight on vaccines and medical practices back then. This is NOT the same vaccine, nor does it have the same dangers. I would doubt there is any greater risk getting this vaccine than the yearly flu vaccine.

 

[soblessed53]

No, no it really isnt. Actually I think it's underkill.

I do. I most certainly do.

Why? She's presenting information that five minutes of examination can show is bogus and demonstrating no grasp on even the most basic aspects of science, why should I consider her position anything BUT ignorant?

This sort of dark-ages mentality IS dangerous. If not vaccinating just endangered the people who were too smug to get vaccinated themselves then I'd really not care that much; Darwin would do his thing and this sort of lunacy would die out after a few generations. But not vaccinating puts other people at risk and THAT above all else drops the people who advocate for this irresponsible fearmongering drives me to consider them ignorant.

PreachersWife.. what kind of issues from the Gardasil vaccination did they have? I'm curious, I don't know anyone who's had that vaccine.

I don't plan on getting the vaccine mostly because I am not in a high risk group and don't come into contact with large numbers of people. I do agree if you are high risk it's worth it to get it.
As for the dangers from the 70s.. remember there was a LOT less oversight on vaccines and medical practices back then. This is NOT the same vaccine, nor does it have the same dangers. I would doubt there is any greater risk getting this vaccine than the yearly flu vaccine.

Baxter: Product contained live bird flu virus
Last Updated: 27th February 2009, 3:26pm

People familiar with biosecurity rules are dismayed by evidence that human H3N2 and avian H5N1 viruses somehow co-mingled in the Orth-Donau facility. That is a dangerous practice that should not be allowed to happen, a number of experts insisted.

Accidental release of a mixture of live H5N1 and H3N2 viruses could have resulted in dire consequences.

While H5N1 doesn’t easily infect people, H3N2 viruses do. If someone exposed to a mixture of the two had been simultaneously infected with both strains, he or she could have served as an incubator for a hybrid virus able to transmit easily to and among people.

That mixing process, called reassortment, is one of two ways pandemic viruses are created.

Baxter: Product contained live bird flu virus | Canada | News | Toronto Sun


Vaccines as Biological Weapons? Live Avian Flu Virus Placed in Baxter Vaccine Materials Sent to 18 Countries
Tuesday, March 03, 2009by: Mike Adams, the Health Ranger, NaturalNews Editor

There's only one problem with this story: It's not fiction. Or, at least, the part about live avian flu viruses being inserted into vaccine materials isn't fiction. It's happening right now.

Deerfield, Illinois-based pharmaceutical company Baxter International Inc. has just been caught shipping live avian flu viruses mixed with vaccine material to medical distributors in 18 countries. The "mistake" (if you can call it that, see below...) was discovered by the National Microbiology Laboratory in Canada. The World Health Organization was alerted and panic spread throughout the vaccine community as health experts asked the obvious question: How could this have happened?

"Baxter International Inc. in Austria 'unintentionally contaminated samples with the bird flu virus that were used in laboratories in 3 neighbouring countries, raising concern about the potential spread of the deadly disease'. Austria, Germany, Slowenia and the Czech Republic - these are the countries in which labs were hit with dangerous viruses. Not by bioterrorist commandos, but by Baxter. In other words: One of the major global pharmaceutical players seems to have lost control over a virus which is considered by many virologists to be one of the components leading some day to a new pandemic."

Or, put another way, Baxter is acting a whole lot like a biological terrorism organization these days, sending deadly viral samples around the world. If you mail an envelope full of anthrax to your Senator, you get arrested as a terrorist. So why is Baxter -- which mailed samples of a far more deadly viral strain to labs around the world -- getting away with saying, essentially, "Oops?"

Was the viral contamination intentional?
The shocking answer is that this couldn't have been an accident.Why? Because Baxter International adheres to something called BSL3 (Biosafety Level 3) - a set of laboratory safety protocols that prevent the cross-contamination of materials.

As explained on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biosaf...):

Vaccines as Biological Weapons? Live Avian Flu Virus Placed in Baxter Vaccine Materials Sent to 18 Countries by Mike Adams the Health Ranger


Oh how I wish I had some worthless swampland to sell!

 

[ThankGodforGod]

I see problems in getting vaccinations where proper testing hasn't been done. Several of my friend's daughters and several of my younger girlfriends got that Gardasil vaccination and have issues stemming from it now because of a lack of testing. So yeah, I can see why people are nervous about taking "new" vaccines.

The one flu vaccine I received, five years ago, caused me to get deathly ill and I had a hospital stay of four days. Haven't had a vaccination since, and haven't gotten the flu. Some people don't need vaccinations. Some people do.

That is patently false. Even if you were vaccinated as a child if you were exposed to smallpox your chances of getting it would be inordinately high, especially if it were one of the Indian strains. Some people should not get vaccines (and doctors tell you this) because of impressiveness drugs or conditions. Actually one of the big problems we are having with MMR right now is that adult hospital workers whos vaccinations have worn off are giving it to kids in hospitals who then give it back to unprotected adults.

Like most things when you weight the costs and benifits you quickly see that vaccinations have saved literally BILLIONS more than they have ever harmed.

 

[ThankGodforGod]

Baxter: Product contained live bird flu virus
Last Updated: 27th February 2009, 3:26pm

People familiar with biosecurity rules are dismayed by evidence that human H3N2 and avian H5N1 viruses somehow co-mingled in the Orth-Donau facility. That is a dangerous practice that should not be allowed to happen, a number of experts insisted.

Accidental release of a mixture of live H5N1 and H3N2 viruses could have resulted in dire consequences.

While H5N1 doesn’t easily infect people, H3N2 viruses do. If someone exposed to a mixture of the two had been simultaneously infected with both strains, he or she could have served as an incubator for a hybrid virus able to transmit easily to and among people.

That mixing process, called reassortment, is one of two ways pandemic viruses are created.

Baxter: Product contained live bird flu virus | Canada | News | Toronto Sun


Vaccines as Biological Weapons? Live Avian Flu Virus Placed in Baxter Vaccine Materials Sent to 18 Countries
Tuesday, March 03, 2009by: Mike Adams, the Health Ranger, NaturalNews Editor

There's only one problem with this story: It's not fiction. Or, at least, the part about live avian flu viruses being inserted into vaccine materials isn't fiction. It's happening right now.

Deerfield, Illinois-based pharmaceutical company Baxter International Inc. has just been caught shipping live avian flu viruses mixed with vaccine material to medical distributors in 18 countries. The "mistake" (if you can call it that, see below...) was discovered by the National Microbiology Laboratory in Canada. The World Health Organization was alerted and panic spread throughout the vaccine community as health experts asked the obvious question: How could this have happened?

"Baxter International Inc. in Austria 'unintentionally contaminated samples with the bird flu virus that were used in laboratories in 3 neighbouring countries, raising concern about the potential spread of the deadly disease'. Austria, Germany, Slowenia and the Czech Republic - these are the countries in which labs were hit with dangerous viruses. Not by bioterrorist commandos, but by Baxter. In other words: One of the major global pharmaceutical players seems to have lost control over a virus which is considered by many virologists to be one of the components leading some day to a new pandemic."

Or, put another way, Baxter is acting a whole lot like a biological terrorism organization these days, sending deadly viral samples around the world. If you mail an envelope full of anthrax to your Senator, you get arrested as a terrorist. So why is Baxter -- which mailed samples of a far more deadly viral strain to labs around the world -- getting away with saying, essentially, "Oops?"

Was the viral contamination intentional?
The shocking answer is that this couldn't have been an accident.Why? Because Baxter International adheres to something called BSL3 (Biosafety Level 3) - a set of laboratory safety protocols that prevent the cross-contamination of materials.

As explained on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biosaf...):

Vaccines as Biological Weapons? Live Avian Flu Virus Placed in Baxter Vaccine Materials Sent to 18 Countries by Mike Adams the Health Ranger


Oh how I wish I had some worthless swampland to sell!

All of this would be avoided if you took the time to realize that this is pretty common practice in the field of genetics. I read an article just the other day about work to take pieces of the mouse genome and insert it into a mousepox virus.

Your article is the equivalent of "THE WORLD IS ENDING, IT IS 9PM AND THERE IS NO MORE SUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

 

[ThankGodforGod]

If you are looking for something...I dont know....a little more...peer reviewed, check out this great study on just how much the flu can spread.


Viral loads and duration of viral shedding in adul...[J Infect Dis. 2009] - PubMed Result

 

[PreachersWife2004]

That is patently false. Even if you were vaccinated as a child if you were exposed to smallpox your chances of getting it would be inordinately high, especially if it were one of the Indian strains. Some people should not get vaccines (and doctors tell you this) because of impressiveness drugs or conditions. Actually one of the big problems we are having with MMR right now is that adult hospital workers whos vaccinations have worn off are giving it to kids in hospitals who then give it back to unprotected adults.

I just said that some people should get vaccinations and some people shouldn't - and considering I was mainly specifically talking about the flu vaccine (which is NOT a government required vaccine) I'm not sure why it's such a big deal. I spoke of what happened to me when I got the flu vaccine. What is 'patently false' about my post?

Like most things when you weight the costs and benifits you quickly see that vaccinations have saved literally BILLIONS more than they have ever harmed.

and I've never said otherwise, have I? My children all get vaccinated, I was vaccinated.

Here's something of interest to note, however. While the government requires these vaccinations, many insurance companies don't cover them. We ended up having to go to the Health and Human Services Center to get vaccinations and now that place won't stop harassing us, even after we've moved away and told them as such. We recently got a letter from them stating that they were going to report us because our kids weren't up to date on their vaccinations. Of course they're up to date, they're just not up to date in that particular computer.

 

[soblessed53]

I just said that some people should get vaccinations and some people shouldn't - and considering I was mainly specifically talking about the flu vaccine (which is NOT a government required vaccine) I'm not sure why it's such a big deal. I spoke of what happened to me when I got the flu vaccine. What is 'patently false' about my post?



and I've never said otherwise, have I? My children all get vaccinated, I was vaccinated.

Here's something of interest to note, however. While the government requires these vaccinations, many insurance companies don't cover them. We ended up having to go to the Health and Human Services Center to get vaccinations and now that place won't stop harassing us, even after we've moved away and told them as such. We recently got a letter from them stating that they were going to report us because our kids weren't up to date on their vaccinations. Of course they're up to date, they're just not up to date in that particular computer.

Wow,thanks for sharing that info,that IS very curious,IMHO.

 

[Dracil]

I can't wait for some posters on this forum to warn about the incredible danger of dihydrogen monoxide! I mean, it's everywhere! And large amounts of it will kill you! It's a vast government conspiracy!

What are some of the dangers associated with DHMO?
Each year, Dihydrogen Monoxide is a known causative component in many thousands of deaths and is a major contributor to millions upon millions of dollars in damage to property and the environment. Some of the known perils of Dihydrogen Monoxide are:


* Death due to accidental inhalation of DHMO, even in small quantities.
* Prolonged exposure to solid DHMO causes severe tissue damage.
* Excessive ingestion produces a number of unpleasant though not typically life-threatening side-effects.
* DHMO is a major component of acid rain.
* Gaseous DHMO can cause severe burns.
* Contributes to soil erosion.
* Leads to corrosion and oxidation of many metals.
* Contamination of electrical systems often causes short-circuits.
* Exposure decreases effectiveness of automobile brakes.
* Found in biopsies of pre-cancerous tumors and lesions.
* Given to vicious dogs involved in recent deadly attacks.
* Often associated with killer cyclones in the U.S. Midwest and elsewhere, and in hurricanes including deadly storms in Florida, New Orleans and other areas of the southeastern U.S.
* Thermal variations in DHMO are a suspected contributor to the El Nino weather effect.

This is also incredibly relevant for some people.

 

[shye]

and the depopulation begins xD