BEWARE OF UNIVERSAL RECONCILIATION

[Lazarus Short]

hasatan could possibly have not deceived Havah (Eve) unless he mixed in "God's Word" for support in passing off his lies.

Since all of u.r. is rejected by Jesus, and by the Father, and by all Scripture taken as a whole and individually in complete harmony, therefore u.r. is not accepted by the followers of Jesus , the Ekklesia born again by the will of the Father in heaven, nor by anyone who has been made aware of and believes the truth from the Father as He Reveals it all through His Own Word and His Own Spirit.

1. You did not have time to check the Biblical references.

2. Who/what is "hasatan"?

3. This follower of Jesus the Christ witnesses against your accusations.

 

[Lazarus Short]

WONDRFUL! realizing the errors of mythology though, is not any redemption for following a false gospel (another MYTH) used in its place.

I'm pointing out that your Hell myth has its roots in pagan myth! You are willful in not seeing it.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I'm pointing out that your Hell myth has its roots in pagan myth! You are willful in not seeing it.

No. That is not at all what you have been doing.

Instead of recognizing the simple truth, even about my own beliefs, besides also the truth of all Scripture,
you assumed I believed in any myth,
in anything NOT from the Father revealed in His Word,
and you assumed that then you could deceive me to a myth you have been promoting because if I believed any myth, then your myth would be , you thought, just as good.. but it is not - no myth is good.

Let every man turn from the vain ways, the vain myths of men and of demons, turn to the Father of LIFE, the giver of all that is good and true,
and pray like it says in James for true wisdom and understanding FROM THE FATHER ABOVE. Who gives to ALL MEN (believers and unbelievers both) generously and without reproach.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

2. Who/what is "hasatan"?

Who deceived Havah (Eve) ?

3. This follower of Jesus the Christ witnesses against your accusations.

The Justice of Scripture, the Truth, witness against all the myths promoted.

1. You did not have time to check the Biblical references.

Really? What did you check the last what, 30 years ? How did you get led away from all the Bible references, away from all Bible truth, from Jesus , instead of learning the truth from the Father ? (as indicated by the posts promoting the false teachings and the unprofitable myth of u.r. )

 

[Der Alte]

I'm pointing out that your Hell myth has its roots in pagan myth! You are willful in not seeing it.

Total rubbish! And you should know it the many times I have provided the evidence in threads in which you participate. No matter how many times it gets repeated over the internet that does not make it true.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

@Der Alter , I often clicked on the good clicks on your posts that were true and accurate from God's Word , especially recently when the truth was posted opposing that one and the heresy brought/promoted in the posts of u.r....

 

[Lazarus Short]

Total rubbish! And you should know it the many times I have provided the evidence in threads in which you participate. No matter how many times it gets repeated over the internet that does not make it true.

Hel in Norse myth...Hel and Hell in Beowulf...Hel and Hell in the 1611 KJV...and all you can say is "Total rubbish!"

You amuse me.

 

[Skidder]

Wrong and wrong. We do not believe or preach in no punishment or salvation without faith in Jesus the Christ. We say that punishment is corrective, for a purpose, not endless torture for revenge. We say that all will come to faith in the fullness of time, and by the plan and will of God, not that anyone gets into the Kingdom without it. Your view of UR is false, so you say UR is false. Please get your facts straight. You cannot hear us over the sound of church propaganda.

Now for wrong #2. The UR movement is much older than church ecumenism or liberality. We are, as far as I know, separate from it. Again, you cannot see us as we are because you are tuned to church propaganda.

You preach the same thing the ecumenical liberal movement preaches. Rejecting Christ has no eternal punishment. Jesus never tought this worldly doctrine. He took the penalty for all and gave them a free will to keep practicing evil and hate the light. But if they continue to reject the payment unto death (who is Christ) they will surely die in their sins. What part of "die in your sins", "under God's wrath", and "eternal fire" don't you understand?

 

[Der Alte]

Hel in Norse myth...Hel and Hell in Beowulf...Hel and Hell in the 1611 KJV...and all you can say is "Total rubbish!"
You amuse me.

It was and is total rubbish. Lexical fallacy, root fallacy. What Hel might have meant in another language, in a different country and culture, 100s of years ago is almost worthless in determining the meaning in English today. The KJV has more than 800 words which have changes substantially in meaning or dropped out of use altogether. Note the word artillery in this verse it could in no way have the same meaning today.

KJV 1 Samuel 20:40 And Jonathan gave his artillery unto his lad, and said unto him, Go, carry them to the city.​

When we say "truck" in English we usually think of a large boxy vehicle for hauling large, heavy loads, it originally meant vegetables.

 

[FineLinen]

And I pray for the day that will you understand what God means when He says --dead. And He does not say "be opened" when He destroys the wicked at the 2nd death. And perhaps then you will read and understand the bible instead of foolish ideas of foolish men.

My Dear Lady: Our Father is the God of zao Life. Dead are only dead until by His power cause them to live again. His incredible power of resurrection life was demonstrated many moons ago in the following narrative>>>

“Christ also has once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: by which also he went and preached to the spirits in prison; which once were disobedient, when once the long suffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was in preparation, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water… for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit..."

St. Peter was not a foolish man, and in fact was a remarkable expression of the Zao God of glory.

There are many foolish men (and women) who until ephphatha transpires will remain deaf and blind, but never ever think the Christ has gone out of the scope in which He continues to move as the Lord Lesous, He is the speciaist of ephphatha!

“A pearl is a beautiful thing that is produced by an injured life. It is the tear [that results] from the injury of the oyster. The treasure of our being in this world is also produced by an injured life. If we had not been wounded, if we had not been injured, then we will not produce the pearl.” -Stephan Hoeller

 

[FineLinen]

Dear Skid: This has been an amazing link. Thank you again for posting it.

You have still not produced any answers to any questions asked of you, but never fear we will continue to ask. Are you aware of the amazing woman of faith, Hannah W. Smith?

Yup, that is her, my friend.

Hannah Whitall Smith

 

[mmksparbud]

My Dear Lady: Our Father is the God of zao Life. Dead dead are only deaduntil by His power cause them to live again. His incredible power of resurrection life was demonstrated many moons ago in the following narrative>>>

“Christ also has once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: by which also he went and preached to the spirits in prison; which once were disobedient, when once the long suffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was in preparation, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water… for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit..."

St. Peter was not a foolish man, and in fact was a remarkable expression of the Zao God of glory.

There are many foolish men (and women) who until ephphatha transpires will remain deaf and blind, but never ever think the Christ has gone out of the scope in which He continues to move as the Lord Lesous, He is the speciaist of ephphatha!

“A pearl is a beautiful thing that is produced by an injured life. It is the tear [that results] from the injury of the oyster. The treasure of our being in this world is also produced by an injured life. If we had not been wounded, if we had not been injured, then we will not produce the pearl.” -Stephan Hoeller

All, evil or righteous, will be resurrected.
Joh_5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Rev_2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
Rev_20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Rev_20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev_21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

You zao life has nothing to do with the reality of God's judgement of the 2nd death.
There is no resurrection from that death. It is final. the word zao is never used in connection with the 2nd death. Get yourself out of the Greek baloney myths and get to know the real scriptures.

 

[FineLinen]

All, evil or righteous, will be resurrected.
Joh_5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Rev_2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
Rev_20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Rev_20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev_21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

You zao life has nothing to do with the reality of God's judgement of the 2nd death.
There is no resurrection from that death. It is final. the word zao is never used in connection with the 2nd death. Get yourself out of the Greek baloney myths and get to know the real scriptures.

My dear lady: The "Greek baloney myths" are the foundation of the "real scriptures".

The Lake of Fire radiates with two primary ingredients theion and theioo. I will not tax your patience with the significance of either ingredient or the foundation for both. What I will do is ask you one simple thing>>>

What segment of Adam1 is NOT "hurt" by the 2nd Death AKA, the Lake?

 

[FineLinen]

Dear Skid: we now have a dear lady joining our lovely link of the which day is the sabbath persuasion? Are you familiar with the following exquisite trophy of the grace of our Lord?>>>

>Believers and Supporters of Christian Universalism

 

[Hillsage]

I am aware of flaming swords of the Lord swirling in every direction guarding the way to the Tree of Life. Those fiery swords will cost every last one who longs to eat of the fruit of that tree EVERYTHING. Our Father has devised a perfect Plan that brings every last element of our old man to an end. Nothing escapes our Father's holy angelic Host. NOTHING!

Me thinks, that "tree of everything" is the tree of immortal life for the flesh. That's why Adam and Eve were kicked out of the Garden. So they couldn't continue to live immortally in their 'temptation failed' "sinful flesh/bodies".

GEN 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

Yes brother you are correct, only the "overcomers" who have worked out the salvation (of their souls) with fear an trembling" into the "image and stature of the fullness of Christ", will have obtained 'no need' for the purgative refinings of the lake of fire. Only they will have "destroyed the last enemy of death." All the while so many 'believers' will have died having fallen short of "the high calling in Christ". Crying to their very deaths; "Nobody was perfect but Jesus." and "Nobody could be sinless but Jesus." But, even they will celebrate the victory of the war against death, even though they died in that very war. Is it any less true in the earthly wars men fight. Many men have always died in wars their side won.

 

[Saint Steven]

BEWARE OF UNIVERSAL RECONCILIATION
As Christians who preach Christ crucified we can be assured that the wisdom found in the gospel of our salvation is not from man but from God. And through this wisdom we know that "IN CHRIST" is our DEFENSE! IN CHRIST is our hope, IN CHRIST is our redemption, IN CHRIST is our forgiveness, sanctification, deliverance, freedom, life, love, joy, peace, etc…

See if I can work my way through the rather long OP, bit by bit.

The opening inference here seems to be that those of the greater hope do not "preach Christ crucified". Since when?

Also inferred is that the greater hope is "from man" not "from God". Though it was not called such initially, the early church of the East was Universalist for the most part. The term Universalism emerged later as a reaction to the development of Damnationism in the Western/Latin church. So, if anything, Damnationism is from man.

And any Universalist would agree that Christ is our hope, redemption, "forgiveness, sanctification, deliverance, freedom, life, love, joy, peace, etc…" So, holding that out as a difference is nonsense.

I'm guessing that the emphasis on "IN CHRIST" is a reaction to the use of 1 Corinthians 15:22 by Universalists. Tossing out the rest of the verse by making the words "in Christ" an exclusionary statement, thus nullifying the whole verse. If "in Christ" is an exclusionary statement, then what does the word "all" mean? The verse is obviously comparing an "all" that is identical. And loses any sense of meaning without it.

1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

 

[mmksparbud]

My dear lady: The "Greek baloney myths" are the foundation of the "real scriptures".

The Lake of Fire radiates with two primary ingredients theion and theioo. I will not tax your patience with the significance of either ingredient or the foundation for both. What I will do is ask you one simple thing>>>

What segment of Adam1 is NOT "hurt" by the 2nd Death AKA, the Lake?

Greek mythology has crept into the thinking when reading the scriptures and lead to false doctrines. The OT and the NT were all Jews not Greeks. Jesus was a Jew. Though there are books of the NT written in Greek---the writers were Jewish in culture and thinking.

I have no idea what you are asking about Adam 1.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

(it seems) About 14 false statements all rolled into one post 356 .... (not a record though)

 

[FineLinen]

I have no idea what you are asking about Adam 1.

Dear Lady: There is exactly one segment of individual who is NOT "hurt" by the Lake of Fire. Who are they?

 

[Saint Steven]

Because IN CHRIST is OUR SALVATION FROM SIN!! There is no salvation from sin apart from IN CHRIST! The very reason the enemy is always striving to remove sin from the salvation message. A false spirit surely knows that if they leave out the word 'sin' enough people will start believing that “salvation” means something other than "salvation from sin". Is there really any other salvation but salvation from sin? Is it not SIN that separates us from God? Is it not sin that brings God’s wrath? Is it not sin that brings condemnation, judgement, and death? So if sin is the problem and Christ is the cure, than JESUS is our ONLY VICTORY OVER SIN!!

Here we have the most common misconception about the greater hope.

The false claim that Universalism ignores sin. This conclusion is jumped to before one of the greater hope can even finish explaining what they believe. Any discussion is cut short by the Damnationists running in circles screaming with their hands over their ears, as if they can't stand to hear another word. They refuse to give up their hell doctrine. What spirit would cause such behavior?

To be clear, those of the greater hope believe that sin is an issue and that NO ONE can enter heaven until it is dealt with. Where we differ, is in understanding under what circumstances this might take place.