Benny Hinn - True or False

[Major1]

I have noted how thurogh you have been in a few of the posts I read that you wrote. So I am pleased to comment back to you on a well wrote and thoughtfull post. I am not that eloquaint in my writing.
I am more like Wigglesworth. A little gruff.

John G Lake also died early, His wife also died early of sickness because he wasnt there. Wigglesworths daughter was deaf and udes a huge copper trumpet to hear better. If he could not get her healed. Who would dare pray for her if He coul not get her healed.

I like most of what you posted. But there is one vital thing mnissing from your final analyises.

You never gave Jesus the credit for what He fully accomplished. Healing is for all healing is for today. God does not differentciate one from another. What He will do for one He will do for all. Its all ready done. Baought and paid for same as salvation. We dont believe Him as you just said and many other believe the same as you. But you can not back up with Scripture that God does not want you healed. Or that God picks and chosses who gets healed today. and not tomorrow.
I have as many scriptures telling you why you are healed. You might have a couple out of context verses.

In the desert all who looked up got healed. All every single one.
We have a better covanant. But the church as a whole accuses God of yes and no.
That is unbiblical.

Unbelif is the only reason people dont get healed. The church does not believe as a whole or anything like a whole. That God heals today. Even the ones who say yes I believe. most of them do not go out and do what scripture tells us to do. Believers are so thin on the ground on healing. and when the stick there heads up theget shot by unbelieving Christians.

YES...........God heals!

James 5:13-16.........
"Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms. Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the LORD: And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the LORD shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him. Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much".

Does the Scriptures say that a MAN should be called and that HE would heal the sick?

Mr. Hinn's theology of healing is clarified in various books. In his book ‘Lord I need a miracle’ p.63 he says..........
“I believe that its not only God's will for you to be healed, it is his will that you live in health until he calls you home. I’m not one that prays if it be your will lord grant healing to this person. It is his will you will never hear me pray such faith destroying words as if it be you will Lord heal them.”

Now the exact words that Mr. Hinn is saying is that the words that Jesus and the Apostles spoke are faith destroying, which means that they were in sin.

WHY?????

Because they all prayed for God's will in matters. So he is saying that all should be healed by either his speaking it in faith or their’s. Paul was rejected in his request for healing from the Lord not once but three times. It was to keep him humble for the revelations he received. But it seems Mr. Hinn does not need to be kept humble though his revelations exceed even the Apostle Pauls.

IS that the teaching you are supporting so strongly?????

 

[Johnsloan]

YES...........God heals!

James 5:13-16.........
"Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms. Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the LORD: And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the LORD shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him. Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much".

Does the Scriptures say that a MAN should be called and that HE would heal the sick?

Mr. Hinn's theology of healing is clarified in various books. In his book ‘Lord I need a miracle’ p.63 he says..........
“I believe that its not only God's will for you to be healed, it is his will that you live in health until he calls you home. I’m not one that prays if it be your will lord grant healing to this person. It is his will you will never hear me pray such faith destroying words as if it be you will Lord heal them.”

Now the exact words that Mr. Hinn is saying is that the words that Jesus and the Apostles spoke are faith destroying, which means that they were in sin.

WHY?????

Because they all prayed for God's will in matters. So he is saying that all should be healed by either his speaking it in faith or their’s. Paul was rejected in his request for healing from the Lord not once but three times. It was to keep him humble for the revelations he received. But it seems Mr. Hinn does not need to be kept humble though his revelations exceed even the Apostle Pauls.

Yes the bible clearly teacher our commision.
Believers will lay hands on the sick and they will be healed.
Believers not apostles not the leaders not the anoited. Believers . That is you and me.
So yes men are called in scripture to heal the sick today and forever.

IS that the teaching you are supporting so strongly?????

The whole reason Jesus went to the whipping post was to pay for you healing.
I find it a little strange you telling me you telling me I have a lack of understanding and yet you dont know why Jesus was whipped and died. You dont know why we take the bread and wine? The bread is His body broken for you. So your body could be whole. BY His stipe you are healed. ONE. The blood as we all should know. Is spilled for the forgivness of your sin. Nailed to the Cross. TWO.

No where is scripture can you find one verse that says Paul was sick.
You are misrepresenting scripture if you claim Pauls infirmitys was sickness. Go back a little further, He was beaten near to death. Pretty much would leave you infirm.

As for Benny. You sir said hes a fraud. You said he never seen one single healing ever. I would like you to show me how you know that. I still say Benny Hinn done more for Christ than any Christian you know.
Please back of you false accusations. If you cant, you are Judging that man falsely. You are well warned in scripture not to do that.

I know very little about Benny Hinn. But I do know He is doing more for God than most Christians.
So rather than looking for fault to back up your false claims please provide the proof for the claim You made. Thank you.

 

[Johnsloan]

Where did I ever suggest that there has never been a healing under Hinn's ministry, particularly when I have gone to some effort to say otherwise!

Not You I am meaning Major 1

 

[Johnsloan]

Please make your comments to the subject at hand on the thread and refrain from threats!

Please quote the threat thank you.

 

[Johnsloan]

You must not know that you are living in a glass house or you would not be throwing so many stones around.

YOU first called me a liar when you said..................
"Who told you none have been verified. That is a complete lie
God does always intened for everyone to be healed, including unbelievers. Quote Benny saying that. I dont believe a word you are saying."

Every single thing I have said has been verified by the exactly sources I posted for you.

May YOU should do some work of this THREAD TOPIC instead of insulting others and trying to bully and intimidate.

If you have something to ADD that is constructive and helpful, please do so. But If all you can do is rant, and call names and be obnoxious, please don't. IF you believe all those that have investigated Mr. Hinn are liars.......email hem and tell them not me.

Mike Thomas investigated Hinn’s miracle crusades. He wrote:
“Despite all the thousands of miracles claimed by Hinn, the church seems hard pressed to come up with any that would convince a serious skeptic. If God cures through Hinn, he does not cure ailments such as permanent paralysis, brain damage, retardation, physical deformities, missing eyes or other obvious ailments.”
[Mike Thomas, “The Power and the Glory,” pg. 12]

When Hinn provided Christian Research Institute with his three best-documented cases, the results were utterly unimpressive. “All three cases are poorly documented and confused,” wrote Hank Hanegraaff of CRI. “If evidence like this is the best Hinn can muster after years of healing —-then there is no credible evidence that he has been involved in a bona fide healing.” [Hank Hanegraaff, Christianity in Crisis
(Eugene, OR: Harvest House, 1993, pg. 341)]

A 2001 HBO documentary entitled A Question of Miracles followed the lives of seven people for a year, after they had supposedly been healed at a Benny Hinn crusade. At the end of the time period, Anthony Thomas, the film’s director, concluded that no one had actually been healed.

In an interview with the New York Times, Thomas gave this raw assessment: “If I had seen miracles [at Hinn’s crusades], I would have been happy to trumpet it . . . .but in retrospect, I think they do more damage to Christianity than most committed atheist.”

—reprinted from Strange Fire: The Danger of Offending the Holy Spirit with Counterfeit Worship, Thomas Nelson Books, 2013, pg. 170-171.

In March 2005, Ministry Watch, an independent evangelical organization which reviews Christian ministries for financial transparency and efficiency and advises potential donors accordingly, issued a Donor Alert advising Christians to "prayerfully consider withholding contributions to Benny Hinn" while praying for his restoration and repentance.

No sir I never called you a liar. I said who told you. That is a complete lie. Please get your facts straight. Thank you.

I wonder if you fell bulied becuase I exposed the things you are saying. YOu never reseached. I wonder if you fell a little exposed and hurt and are now looking for anything you can to get out of it.

Please quote where I insulted anyone thank you.
Please quote the rant thank you.
Please quote where I called names thank you.

I still dont have a single link from you. Your talking like you know a lot about Him. But fail to provide a single genuine link.
Please do so. Thank you.

If only you could provide what you said.

here it is incase you forgot it.

Yopu said Benny Hinn have not got a single healing ever. prove it.

 

[Johnsloan]

It is always sad to me when I see anyone so entrenched in religious denominational dogma that they loose sight of all Biblical truth.

Yes, an element of physical healing in the Atonement does exist, but it will be manifest only when the Messiah/King will rule over a righteous, healthy world population. The curse of sin will then be lifted—only willful sin against the King will result in death.

Longevity and vitality of life will mark God’s people in His Millennial Kingdom as prophesied in Isaiah 65:19-22.........
"And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in My people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying. There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days; for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed. … They shall not build, and another inhabit… for as the days of a tree are the days of My people, and Mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands."

Please notice 1 Peter 2:24, for in this text, the same prophecy recorded in Isaiah 53 is quoted by Peter in the New Testament.........
“Who His own self (the Lord Jesus Christ) bare our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by Whose stripes ye were healed.”

The application for the Church Age has to do with spiritual cleansing, not physical healing.

poppy [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] sir.

You come out with me one day on the street and you will see healing. You are talking nonsense.

You do not have one single scripture that says we wont be healed until we go to heaven.
Healing either exists or it doesnt. It dosent in your world because of your Unbelief.
Healing exists in my world because I know for a fact and have seen over 200 healed at MY hand in His name. My faith gets the job done. If I have no faith they will not get healed. You are told to lay hands on the sick now and for ever. To restore the kingdom thats has fallen. You need to stop teaching.
You do not know what you are talking about. The further you go with this the clearer it is to me.
You told me I
"Simply your lack of understanding Bible truths."
I find that really strange when I seewhat you post here.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

I have noted how thurogh you have been in a few of the posts I read that you wrote. So I am pleased to comment back to you on a well wrote and thoughtfull post. I am not that eloquaint in my writing.
I am more like Wigglesworth. A little gruff.

John G Lake also died early, His wife also died early of sickness because he wasnt there. Wigglesworths daughter was deaf and udes a huge copper trumpet to hear better. If he could not get her healed. Who would dare pray for her if He coul not get her healed.

I like most of what you posted. But there is one vital thing mnissing from your final analyises.

You never gave Jesus the credit for what He fully accomplished. Healing is for all healing is for today. God does not differentciate one from another. What He will do for one He will do for all. Its all ready done. Baought and paid for same as salvation. We dont believe Him as you just said and many other believe the same as you. But you can not back up with Scripture that God does not want you healed. Or that God picks and chosses who gets healed today. and not tomorrow.
I have as many scriptures telling you why you are healed. You might have a couple out of context verses.

In the desert all who looked up got healed. All every single one.
We have a better covanant. But the church as a whole accuses God of yes and no.
That is unbiblical.

Unbelif is the only reason people dont get healed. The church does not believe as a whole or anything like a whole. That God heals today. Even the ones who say yes I believe. most of them do not go out and do what scripture tells us to do. Believers are so thin on the ground on healing. and when the stick there heads up theget shot by unbelieving Christians.

I understand what you are saying. The promises of God are there, no doubt, but they are conditional. If you read the context in which the promise is given "none of these diseases, etc." in Exodus, you will see that the condition is that Israel remains faithful to the Lord. This principle has never changed from that day until this.

The reason why people don't get healed as a matter of course today, is that the Church has gone away from its first love and when you read what Jesus said to the Ephesian church in Revelation, you will see that Jesus tells them to go back to doing what they did before when they had their first love. I conclude that it is the preaching of the gospel with signs and wonders. Notice that Jesus says that the Ephesian church was doing a whole of other things right, just the same as many of our evangelical church is doing. But it has departed from that place with God when He can work miraculously to save the lost.

The reason is that the church has become self-serving and does not have the passion for souls that it used to have. The historical evidence is that when a church has become passionate for souls and people have cried out to God like John Knox who exclaimed, "Give me Scotland or I die!" there has been many more miraculous events.

So it is not the lack of faith in sick people that they are not healed. That is the weak excuse that evangelists use for their own failure to get God to cooperate with them. God looks on the heart and sees the inner character of people. The reason why He doesn't support the ministries of these "big-name" evangelists is that He sees the inner character, intentions, and motives that they hide from everyone else, and He holds back if He doesn't think that the evangelist has the right character, or is falling short of basic goodness to be a fit representative of Christ.

Even those churches that have miracles and healing as part of their articles of faith, in reality do not believe in them - that, in practice, they don't believe their own articles of faith. They blame God or the sick people for their failure to achieve the signs and wonders that go along with the preaching of the Gospel, while, in fact, they don't preach the Gospel at all. They preach the theology and teaching of their own church, directed at the converted.

 

[Johnsloan]

I understand what you are saying. The promises of God are there, no doubt, but they are conditional. If you read the context in which the promise is given "none of these diseases, etc." in Exodus, you will see that the condition is that Israel remains faithful to the Lord. This principle has never changed from that day until this.

The reason why people don't get healed as a matter of course today, is that the Church has gone away from its first love and when you read what Jesus said to the Ephesian church in Revelation, you will see that Jesus tells them to go back to doing what they did before when they had their first love. I conclude that it is the preaching of the gospel with signs and wonders. Notice that Jesus says that the Ephesian church was doing a whole of other things right, just the same as many of our evangelical church is doing. But it has departed from that place with God when He can work miraculously to save the lost.

The reason is that the church has become self-serving and does not have the passion for souls that it used to have. The historical evidence is that when a church has become passionate for souls and people have cried out to God like John Knox who exclaimed, "Give me Scotland or I die!" there has been many more miraculous events.

So it is not the lack of faith in sick people that they are not healed. That is the weak excuse that evangelists use for their own failure to get God to cooperate with them. God looks on the heart and sees the inner character of people. The reason why He doesn't support the ministries of these "big-name" evangelists is that He sees the inner character, intentions, and motives that they hide from everyone else, and He holds back if He doesn't think that the evangelist has the right character, or is falling short of basic goodness to be a fit representative of Christ.

Even those churches that have miracles and healing as part of their articles of faith, in reality do not believe in them - that, in practice, they don't believe their own articles of faith. They blame God or the sick people for their failure to achieve the signs and wonders that go along with the preaching of the Gospel, while, in fact, they don't preach the Gospel at all. They preach the theology and teaching of their own church, directed at the converted.

Sorry man to see you write this. Its simply not true.
I seen many people healed and it happens no matter what condiction my walk is in. I look at porn. Not happy about it but I do. I dont want to. But people still get healed. My sin has nothing to do with it. People still get healed. If the are in sin. God still heals then today. Its so easy. all you need is faith and claim it in His name. I can post a document giving every singles scripture on heaing.
Why it works why it doesnt work. Its all scripture. If you gave it the time it deserces you will 100% get it.
I am fully aware of what some people are doing in healing wrongly. But at least they are trying to work it out and try it. They are not saying it doesnt work. Some people are way off the mark with healing but trying. Some ridicule other for trying.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Sorry man to see you write this. Its simply not true.
I seen many people healed and it happens no matter what condiction my walk is in. I look at porn. Not happy about it but I do. I dont want to. But people still get healed. My sin has nothing to do with it. People still get healed. If the are in sin. God still heals then today. Its so easy. all you need is faith and claim it in His name. I can post a document giving every singles scripture on heaing.
Why it works why it doesnt work. Its all scripture. If you gave it the time it deserces you will 100% get it.
I am fully aware of what some people are doing in healing wrongly. But at least they are trying to work it out and try it. They are not saying it doesnt work. Some people are way off the mark with healing but trying. Some ridicule other for trying.

I'm not talking about individuals' state before God. God sees genuine believers through the righteousness of Christ and not their shortcomings and failures.

God's promises are conditional, and the gifts of healing are integral to the work of the body of Christ (the Church). If the Church is not in a right place with God, which mostly it isn't, although many believers are in the right place with Him, then we will not see the wholesale signs and wonders that happened in the First Century Church.

It is quite evident that God is honouring your personal faith in His Word. There is no doubt that He would, because of the righteousness of Christ that has been conferred on you. But that does not mean that others in your church will be honoured in the same way if they are not walking in the light with Jesus.

If you read 1 Corinthians 11, Paul says that many in the Corinthian Church were sickly and dying premature deaths, because the Church in general was not right with God, in that the leadership were allowing gross immorality to exist among the members; also, many were misusing the gifts of tongues and prophecy, and others were denying the resurrection. And others were using the Lord's Supper (not like today's Lord's "snack for their own gluttonous gratification, and getting drunk on the wine. Because the leadership were allowing these things to happen without bringing correction, the church was sick. But there were members who had kept themselves clean, and because the gifts were flowing (because Paul did say that they were not coming behind in any gift), God was honouring individuals, but until the leaders gave the necessary correction to those going off the rails, the future of that church was at risk.

 

[Johnsloan]

I'm not talking about individuals' state before God. God sees genuine believers through the righteousness of Christ and not their shortcomings and failures.

God's promises are conditional, and the gifts of healing are integral to the work of the body of Christ (the Church). If the Church is not in a right place with God, which mostly it isn't, although many believers are in the right place with Him, then we will not see the wholesale signs and wonders that happened in the First Century Church.

It is quite evident that God is honouring your personal faith in His Word. There is no doubt that He would, because of the righteousness of Christ that has been conferred on you. But that does not mean that others in your church will be honoured in the same way if they are not walking in the light with Jesus.

If you read 1 Corinthians 11, Paul says that many in the Corinthian Church were sickly and dying premature deaths, because the Church in general was not right with God, in that the leadership were allowing gross immorality to exist among the members; also, many were misusing the gifts of tongues and prophecy, and others were denying the resurrection. And others were using the Lord's Supper (not like today's Lord's "snack for their own gluttonous gratification, and getting drunk on the wine. Because the leadership were allowing these things to happen without bringing correction, the church was sick. But there were members who had kept themselves clean, and because the gifts were flowing (because Paul did say that they were not coming behind in any gift), God was honouring individuals, but until the leaders gave the necessary correction to those going off the rails, the future of that church was at risk.

Ok But I told you I am right with God through Jesus. But the soul and flesh are against Him. But I see healings daily simply because I believe that is what we are called to. My family knew nothing of this until I found it. Now we all walk in it, I have friends who jumped on it and are now walking in it. They are all getting people healed. There is sin in all there lives. soem have a better walk with others that some. We all see healing. I see more than all of them. Just because I go further. They are no going as long as me. I am 5 years 200 healed in five years doesnt seem like a lot. As I know it could be so far more. I know I dont really go to wheel chairs. But today I will go pray for a man with lung cancer. Christains dont want to do that.

There mostly all still say dear God will you heal this poor man. You have authourity to break the works of the weasal.
We are told to go. But the Church does not believe what God says.
So its more to do with unbelief than relationship.
Even the Christians who say I believe God heals today. They believe it. But they are not laying hands on the sick.

But I see what you are saying

 

[Major1]

poppy [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] sir.

You come out with me one day on the street and you will see healing. You are talking nonsense.

You do not have one single scripture that says we wont be healed until we go to heaven.
Healing either exists or it doesnt. It dosent in your world because of your Unbelief.
Healing exists in my world because I know for a fact and have seen over 200 healed at MY hand in His name. My faith gets the job done. If I have no faith they will not get healed. You are told to lay hands on the sick now and for ever. To restore the kingdom thats has fallen. You need to stop teaching.
You do not know what you are talking about. The further you go with this the clearer it is to me.
You told me I
"Simply your lack of understanding Bible truths."
I find that really strange when I seewhat you post here.

I really do not understand WHY you would want to see any Scriptures on this subject as you will no doubt reject all of them.

1 Timothy 5:23
"Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities".

2 Timothy 4:20
"Erastus abode at Corinth: but Trophimus have I left at Miletum sick."

Philippians 2:25-27
"But I think it is necessary to send back to you Epaphroditus, my brother, co-worker and fellow soldier, who is also your messenger, whom you sent to take care of my needs. For he longs for all of you and is distressed because you heard he was ill. Indeed he was ill, and almost died. But God had mercy on him, and not on him only but also on me, to spare me sorrow upon sorrow."

Galatians 4:13-15
"As you know, it was because of an illness that I first preached the gospel to you, 14and even though my illness was a trial to you, you did not treat me with contempt or scorn. Instead, you welcomed me as if I were an angel of God, as if I were Christ Jesus himself. 15Where, then, is your blessing of me now? I can testify that, if you could have done so, you would have torn out your eyes and given them to me."

2 Corinthians 12:7-9
"And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure. For this thing I besought the LORD thrice, that it might depart from me. And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me."

Wouldn't you agree that God certainly allowed Job to go through a time of physical suffering.

In none of these cases posted in the Scriptures above is it stated that the sickness was caused by SIN or unbelief.

Nor did Paul or any of the others act as if they thought their healing was guaranteed in the atonement. As can be clearly seen they ALL accepted their situations and trusted in God's grace for sustenance.

Now, am I saying we shouldn't PRAY for healing or that God does not heal????
No, not at all. I'm just saying that after we've asked for healing, we need to submit to God's sovereign will. He may have a purpose in allowing our illness to continue.

 

[Major1]

No sir I never called you a liar. I said who told you. That is a complete lie. Please get your facts straight. Thank you.

I wonder if you fell bulied becuase I exposed the things you are saying. YOu never reseached. I wonder if you fell a little exposed and hurt and are now looking for anything you can to get out of it.

Please quote where I insulted anyone thank you.
Please quote the rant thank you.
Please quote where I called names thank you.

I still dont have a single link from you. Your talking like you know a lot about Him. But fail to provide a single genuine link.
Please do so. Thank you.

If only you could provide what you said.

here it is incase you forgot it.

Yopu said Benny Hinn have not got a single healing ever. prove it.

NOPE. Life does not work that way. Plausible deniability is still deception and deceiving.

Leviticus 5:1..........
“If anyone sins in that he hears a public adjuration to testify, and though he is a witness, whether he has seen or come to know the matter, yet does not speak, he shall bear his iniquity".

It is our duty as Christians to undeceive ourselves, to inquire after knowledge, to seek full light, that our dimness may yield to discernment. A complacent ignorance is as the softly gliding stream which flows onwards to the rapids. To be able to rest in such self-satisfied ignorance indicates that self-delusion has began, portending doom. “Whom the gods would destroy they first dement.”

 

[Major1]

Please quote the threat thank you.

Comment #270..............
"If you dont your in trouble. You are well warned about accusing falsely."

 

[Major1]

The whole reason Jesus went to the whipping post was to pay for you healing.
I find it a little strange you telling me you telling me I have a lack of understanding and yet you dont know why Jesus was whipped and died. You dont know why we take the bread and wine? The bread is His body broken for you. So your body could be whole. BY His stipe you are healed. ONE. The blood as we all should know. Is spilled for the forgivness of your sin. Nailed to the Cross. TWO.

No where is scripture can you find one verse that says Paul was sick.
You are misrepresenting scripture if you claim Pauls infirmitys was sickness. Go back a little further, He was beaten near to death. Pretty much would leave you infirm.

As for Benny. You sir said hes a fraud. You said he never seen one single healing ever. I would like you to show me how you know that. I still say Benny Hinn done more for Christ than any Christian you know.
Please back of you false accusations. If you cant, you are Judging that man falsely. You are well warned in scripture not to do that.

I know very little about Benny Hinn. But I do know He is doing more for God than most Christians.
So rather than looking for fault to back up your false claims please provide the proof for the claim You made. Thank you.

You said................
"The whole reason Jesus went to the whipping post was to pay for you healing."

NOT TRUE. Do you have a Scripture that says Jesus went to the cross so that I could be healed physically????

Isaiah 53:5 .........

"But he was pierced for our transgressions; he was crushed for our iniquities;
upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace, and with his wounds we are healed. "

This passage specifies the reason for Jesus’ suffering: “for our transgressions,” for our healing, and to bring us peace but IT DOES NOT SAY THAT WE ARE TO BE HEALED OF PHYSICAL PAIN AND SUFFERING. I know YOU WANT it to say that but it clearly does not do so.

Jesus’ brutal physical suffering was augmented by His having to bear the guilt of our sins and die to pay our penalty for our sins which is death.

Romans 5:8 .........

"but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us."

John 1:29 ..............

"The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!"


Then you said...................
"No where is scripture can you find one verse that says Paul was sick."

Actually I find this amazing that I am having to answer these question for you.

2 Corinthians 12:7-9 .........
"And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure. For this thing I besought the LORD thrice, that it might depart from me. And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me".

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[Johnsloan]

Comment #270..............
"If you dont your in trouble. You are well warned about accusing falsely."

Thats a fact not a threat and if you concider it a threat. Its ftom God word not mine. Man please slow down a little with the getting all excited.

 

[Johnsloan]

I really do not understand WHY you would want to see any Scriptures on this subject as you will no doubt reject all of them.

1 Timothy 5:23
"Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities".

2 Timothy 4:20
"Erastus abode at Corinth: but Trophimus have I left at Miletum sick."

Philippians 2:25-27
"But I think it is necessary to send back to you Epaphroditus, my brother, co-worker and fellow soldier, who is also your messenger, whom you sent to take care of my needs. For he longs for all of you and is distressed because you heard he was ill. Indeed he was ill, and almost died. But God had mercy on him, and not on him only but also on me, to spare me sorrow upon sorrow."

Galatians 4:13-15
"As you know, it was because of an illness that I first preached the gospel to you, 14and even though my illness was a trial to you, you did not treat me with contempt or scorn. Instead, you welcomed me as if I were an angel of God, as if I were Christ Jesus himself. 15Where, then, is your blessing of me now? I can testify that, if you could have done so, you would have torn out your eyes and given them to me."

2 Corinthians 12:7-9
"And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure. For this thing I besought the LORD thrice, that it might depart from me. And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me."

Wouldn't you agree that God certainly allowed Job to go through a time of physical suffering.

In none of these cases posted in the Scriptures above is it stated that the sickness was caused by SIN or unbelief.

Nor did Paul or any of the others act as if they thought their healing was guaranteed in the atonement. As can be clearly seen they ALL accepted their situations and trusted in God's grace for sustenance.

Now, am I saying we shouldn't PRAY for healing or that God does not heal????
No, not at all. I'm just saying that after we've asked for healing, we need to submit to God's sovereign will. He may have a purpose in allowing our illness to continue.

I see you have very selective reading and reply. I see you also avoid questions for some reason. I see if I give you a reply thats correct you dont mention anything that does not suit you. See it all to often.

You continullay ignore most of what I say and have selective replys. I cant have a talk with you. You are avoiding almost every thing I say. This is a waste of my time and anyone who wants to learn. There is nothing here of any depth.

 

[Johnsloan]

NOPE. Life does not work that way. Plausible deniability is still deception and deceiving.

Leviticus 5:1..........
“If anyone sins in that he hears a public adjuration to testify, and though he is a witness, whether he has seen or come to know the matter, yet does not speak, he shall bear his iniquity".

It is our duty as Christians to undeceive ourselves, to inquire after knowledge, to seek full light, that our dimness may yield to discernment. A complacent ignorance is as the softly gliding stream which flows onwards to the rapids. To be able to rest in such self-satisfied ignorance indicates that self-delusion has began, portending doom. “Whom the gods would destroy they first dement.”

You said I called you a liar. I point out you are wrong You can not even admit you are wrong and say sorry. There is no point trying to talking to you. You will never be wrong.

 

[Major1]

You said I called you a liar. I point out you are wrong You can not even admit you are wrong and say sorry. There is no point trying to talking to you. You will never be wrong.

My young friend. Ever since you started posting here you have done so with an angry chip on your shoulder. You present yourself as an angry, have to have your way child. You immediately started to make PERSONAL attacks toward me because YOU do not agree with my opinion of Benny Hinn.

YOU have made a point to say that I should not say anything about him as the Bible condemns it so therefore I AM IN TROUBLE.

But what does the Bible really say about this??????

Romans 16:17-18.......
"I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive."

2 Tim. 4:3-4..........
"For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths. "

Standing face to face with these false teachers, Jesus Christ the Son of God, called them in Matthew 23:23-34......
"hypocrites", "blind guides, " "blind, " "whited sepulchres, " "serpents, " and "ye generation of vipers".

Yet, YOU are saying to me that we are to fellowship with men whose doctrines are just as unscriptural as those of the Pharisees. Some who say they are Bible believing Christians insist on working other assorted heretics. Yet, according to YOU, we are not supposed to rebuke them for their compromise.

Are YOU and me reading the same Bible?????

Romans 16:17.............
"Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them ".

Your comments ramble from one extreme to the other and I am giving you the benefit of the doubt by saying it appears that English is not your first language.

Now for your man Benny Hinn.............I do not care if you idolize the man. Do what ever you want to do, but do not foe one second think that people are going to run from you because you act like BULLY and make such childish comments.

The following are direct quotes from Benny Hinn showing he is leading people to a false Christ, a false god and thus a false Gospel (see Deut 13:1-5):........

"I am a 'little messiah' walking on earth."
(Benny Hinn, "Praise-a-Thon Program" on TBN, broadcast November 6, 1990.)

"Although we are not Almighty God Himself, nevertheless we are now divine" (12/1/90 TBN).

"Had the Holy Spirit not been with Jesus, He would have sinned" (Good Morning Holy Spirit, first edition, 1990, p 135).


"God the Father is a person separate from the Holy Ghost. Totally separate.Ê (Orlando Christian Centre, Oct 13, 1990).

Then you said............
Comment #270..............
"If you dont your in trouble. You are well warned about accusing falsely."

Now my dear friend, If none of that bothers you then so be it. All of those are verified quotes from Mr. Hinn himself.

I do not know where you come from but I come from the great state of Alabama and down there what you said is called a THREAT!

Now if you would like to speak like a Christian, and be temperate and composed and APOLOGIZE for YOUR threat and all of your personal comments, I will be more than happy to talk with you. If not, use the "IGNORE OPTION" for me so that I do not have to go through this with you anymore.

 

[Major1]

I see you have very selective reading and reply. I see you also avoid questions for some reason. I see if I give you a reply thats correct you dont mention anything that does not suit you. See it all to often.

You continullay ignore most of what I say and have selective replys. I cant have a talk with you. You are avoiding almost every thing I say. This is a waste of my time and anyone who wants to learn. There is nothing here of any depth.

That is because YOU do not ask ONE question but many all at one time.

Do not blame me for your unablity to do what is asked of you.

As I have said to you now 3 times, if YOU have something to ask, ask it. ONE subject at a time and I will be glad to speak to THAT subject and then we can move on.

IF you can do that in a friendly, Christian manner then do it, if not ignore me.

 

[Johnsloan]

That is because YOU do not ask ONE question but many all at one time.

Do not blame me for your unablity to do what is asked of you.

As I have said to you now 3 times, if YOU have something to ask, ask it. ONE subject at a time and I will be glad to speak to THAT subject and then we can move on.

IF you can do that in a friendly, Christian manner then do it, if not ignore me.

I dont have anything to ask. why do you keep saying that. its not unability. Its inability.
YOU never answerd aything I said. Its a one way conversation. No thanks.

Now that I know you are incapable of answering more than one question at a time. I see what the problem is. Lets not bother.