Been told

[from scratch]

what does walking in the Spirit mean?

if the law was wiped from my mind, you mean something would happen to me?

pray, tell.

I would call it walking by faith and not the law.

 

[from scratch]

just focus on the commandments listed. i don't necessarily agree with the guy's commentary.

So would you care to comment on my comments I made on the rich young ruler encounter? I think it is very applicable to the topic at hand.

 

[Heavens]

Mr Rabbit.
I'm still waiting to hear why Jesus would give any attention to that old whorish Israel ex-wife, of an old marriage covenant? Why wouldn't He rather be concentrating and rejoicing in His cleansed Israel Bride in the New Marriage Covenant? What man would keep any reminder of a failed marriage around in the presence of His New Eternal Bride? Please respon if you've a mind, thanks.

(Isa 65:17) For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

 

[from scratch]

dude, you are throwing me a curve. all i did was answer all of the questions you said i was dodging.

you wanted a list of Jesus' commandments and now it's not relevant?

Was the Bill McGinnis quote that list? If so was it a you pick them out list? Quoting someone that says something you like doesn't make it so and especially a universalist. He gave the 10 commandments. So my guess is that you're saying that the 10 commandments are issed by and from Jesus. Is that correct? Yes or no.

I have alredy demonstrated that Jesus is not the One interacting with Moses. You have to refute that to change my beliefs.

 

[JohnRabbit]

So am I sinning if I don't observe the 4th commandment? This is a yes or no question. Either I am or I'm not. Which is it?

why are you answering for frogstser?

 

[JohnRabbit]

I don't deny that you responded to John 15:10 with something. I called it an artful dodge. You didn't identify Jesus' commandments in any way. You said to me the Jesus is nothing more than a parrot and implied that Jesus issued the 10 commandments at Mt Sinai. Can yo back that up? I can c&p if you like.

i responded with "something", gee thanks for partial credit.

i artfully dodged your question. now, you give me too much credit.

i didn't identify Jesus' commandments in anyway. i guess the list i provided was so much "chopped liver"! anywho, i didn't think it was incumbent on me to list them since you brought up Jesus' commandments.

you said: "You said to me the Jesus is nothing more than a parrot". prove that i said that.

and you said that i "implied that Jesus issued the 10 commandments at Mt Sinai". yes, this is implied, and i can prove it.

as far as the cut and paste, i did that because it was easy for me. again, seems to me i'm doing your work since you are the one trying to make the distinction between the "commandments of Jesus" and the "commandments of God".

bottom line is that i have answered your questions, don't make me call you "frogster".

 

[JohnRabbit]

Was the Bill McGinnis quote that list? If so was it a you pick them out list? Quoting someone that says something you like doesn't make it so and especially a universalist. He gave the 10 commandments. So my guess is that you're saying that the 10 commandments are issed by and from Jesus. Is that correct? Yes or no.

I have alredy demonstrated that Jesus is not the One interacting with Moses. You have to refute that to change my beliefs.

you have demonstrated nothing. you think referencing ex 33:20 proves your point? whatever.

again, you list the commandments of Jesus, you're the one that brought that up.

and i say, yes, it was Jesus who issued the ten commandments!

 

[JohnRabbit]

So would you care to comment on my comments I made on the rich young ruler encounter? I think it is very applicable to the topic at hand.

we can get to that, but we have too much on the table to clear up first.

 

[JohnRabbit]

what compass did Paul want for the church, maturity of Spirit, or childlike law?

3 In the same way we also, when we were children, were enslaved to the elementary principles of the world.

He even said you are not under law, 5:18, just like our favorite verse in rom 6;14.

frogster, we've been over this in other threads. do you think my answer has changed?

 

[JohnRabbit]

Mr Rabbit.
I'm still waiting to hear why Jesus would give any attention to that old whorish Israel ex-wife, of an old marriage covenant? Why wouldn't He rather be concentrating and rejoicing in His cleansed Israel Bride in the New Marriage Covenant? What man would keep any reminder of a failed marriage around in the presence of His New Eternal Bride? Please respon if you've a mind, thanks.

(Isa 65:17) For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

i don't understand exactly what you're asking.

 

[Heavens]

First off Mr Rabbit, Jesus did not give the 10 commandments at Sinai. Christ did.
Jesus wasn't born yet. Let's stay within what scripture says first and foremost.

Secondly, ANYTHING that deals with the Sinai Covenant is a "Marriage" Covenant. Do you understand that concept?

That Old Covenant wife was "widowed" from her husband, free to marry Jesus "Christed" and risen from the dead.

If we are on the same pages on these things, I'd like to move forward on it. It becomes easy to see if we remain within the "marriage" aspect of the covenants. That is why God gives us that aspect. It becomes simple childs play from that point.

Thanks

 

[from scratch]

why are you answering for frogstser?

This is a discussion forum and I have a question. I didn't answer for Frogster. And I'm not him either. He might have a similar question. I go post by post. I don't respond to everything. I miss alot too. I'm sorry if you think I'm ganging up on you.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Subscribing

 

[Heavens]

Frog, lloj and scratch, do you brothers understand that Sinaitic old law is given to us to understand as a "marriage contract"? One by which Israel widowed themselves from in the death of Her "lawful" husband on the cross? Am I on the same page with you fellas to that point?

 

[from scratch]

i responded with "something", gee thanks for partial credit.

i artfully dodged your question. now, you give me too much credit.

I guess this is a pat you on the back thread. Ya jus cani't please, to much to little. You been reading Goldielocks or something? Belly aching doesn't solve anything.

i didn't identify Jesus' commandments in anyway. i guess the list i provided was so much "chopped liver"! anywho, i didn't think it was incumbent on me to list them since you brought up Jesus' commandments.

Then do I have it right that you promote the 10 commandments as being issued by Jesus? Just a yes or no will help me understand what you're saying. You simply c&p with no comment what you're pointing out doesn't help me much. I want to know where you - JohnRabbit - stands. If you c&p make appropiate comments what you wish to convey with it. It is not fair to bring somebody into the discussion without them knowing and make no comment. They have no idea of the context of the conversation.

you said: "You said to me the Jesus is nothing more than a parrot". prove that i said that.

You make this to be me quoting you which is not the case. It is a comment about what you said along the lines that Jesus only says the exact words God the Father puts in His (Jesus') mouth. This is called parroting. Poly wants a cracker. You seem to be trying to show the 10 commandments are issued by Jesus without directly saying so. This interfers with the trinity. The trinity doctrine is very important to Christianity.

and you said that i "implied that Jesus issued the 10 commandments at Mt Sinai". yes, this is implied, and i can prove it.

Then do so, I will change my mind and heart and you will win. Deal? This should prove interesting.

as far as the cut and paste, i did that because it was easy for me. again, seems to me i'm doing your work since you are the one trying to make the distinction between the "commandments of Jesus" and the "commandments of God".

So then it should be very easy for you to explain away my request and explaination of John 15:10. This too should be very interesting. You kinda gave it a pass and said really nothing as to the contents of the verse. My challenge to I John 3:23 should be easy as well.

bottom line is that i have answered your questions, don't make me call you "frogster".

So what is it that I don't understand about the first covenant? Is it that there is really no new covenant,but a remake/remodel of the first one and that the only thing that makes it new is movement? God didn't say He would take His law written in stone and write that law in our hearts. God clearly said He would make (cut stone) new (not already in existance - used) covenant. Further more it would not be like (resemble)the covenant already made. You insist that this is simply moving the law. You don't see the difference in the NC and are unwilling to be reasonable with words and phrases. You can't or won't explain how the word under means something other than subject to. The dictionary doesn't seem to help you much either.

So if you can point out to me exactly how your answer or response to John 15:10 and 14:15 even deals with what commandments deal with Who without interferring with the trinity, I'm open. My response clearly show that you didn't communicate this to me. Your use of John 14:24 doesn't solve this problem. It doesn't prove that Jesus issed the 10 commandments.

Sorry to be so fustrating to you. You certianly haven't been convincing in your presentation so far. If you had I'd be joining you in belief.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Frog, lloj and scratch, do you brothers understand that Sinaitic old law is given to us to understand as a "marriage contract"?
One by which Israel widowed themselves from in the death of Her "lawful" husband on the cross? Am I on the same page with you fellas to that point?

Depends on ones view of the Covenantle book for Revelation me thinks.
Neither the Jews [or Muslims] view it as inspired from what I hear

The Mountain in Matt 21 question - Christian Forums
The Mountain in Matt 21 question

Matthew 21:21 Answering the Jesus said to them "verily I am saying to ye, if ever ye may be having Faith and no ye may be doubting,
not only the of the fig-tree ye shall be doing, but even-ever to this, the Mountain, ye may saying 'be being lifted up! and be being cast! into the Sea' it shall be becoming"
[Galatian 4:24,25/Hebrew 12:18/Revelation 8:8]

Reve 8:8 And the second Messenger trumpets and as-like a Mountain, great to fire burning, was cast into the Sea
and became the third of the Sea blood
[Matthew 21:21/Galatian 4:24, 25/Hebrew 12:18]

 

[JohnRabbit]

First off Mr Rabbit, Jesus did not give the 10 commandments at Sinai. Christ did.
Jesus wasn't born yet. Let's stay within what scripture says first and foremost.

Secondly, ANYTHING that deals with the Sinai Covenant is a "Marriage" Covenant. Do you understand that concept?

That Old Covenant wife was "widowed" from her husband, free to marry Jesus "Christed" and risen from the dead.

If we are on the same pages on these things, I'd like to move forward on it. It becomes easy to see if we remain within the "marriage" aspect of the covenants. That is why God gives us that aspect. It becomes simple childs play from that point.

Thanks

have you read this whole thread, or are you going on what from_scratch has told you?

 

[Heavens]

Depends on ones view of the Covenantle book for Revelation me thinks.
Neither the Jews [or Muslims] view it as inspired from what I hear

Well be that as it may, one can still know whether God was married to Israel at Sinia using THEIR scriptures then and I'll move forward on that;

(Isa 54:5) For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.
(Isa 54:6) For the LORD hath called thee as a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit, and a wife of youth, when thou wast refused, saith thy God.

(Jer 3:14) Turn, O backsliding children, saith the LORD; for I am married unto you: and I will take you one of a city, and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion:

Then He divorced her;

(Jer 3:8) And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.

(Hos 2:2) Plead with your mother, plead: for she is not my wife, neither am I her husband: let her therefore put away her whoredoms out of her sight, and her adulteries from between her breasts;

(Jer 31:31) Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
(Jer 31:32) Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

Etc etc.

This Old Sinai marriage covenant... My question is, is it still in effect today on ANY level?

Thanks

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

have you read this whole thread, or are you going on what from_scratch has told you?

In my view, the sabbatarian SDAs/MJs are so far out in "left field" concerning the Bible, even I wouldn't pay much attention to what they say concerning the OT/OC and NT/NC scriptures.......

 

[Heavens]

have you read this whole thread, or are you going on what from_scratch has told you?

Yes, I've read this whole thread. Whatever you've read that scratch wrote, I have also read. Other than the trinity, he seems right on. Why do you ask? And what does that have to do with my question to you which you haven't answered yet.

My question is easy, a yes or no answer... are you aware that the old sinai covenant was a marriage that Israel becamed divorced and then widowed concerning?