A Brethren IN CHRIST
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Florida College said:A brethren in Christ,
Thank you for your reply....
I urge you to carefully study the context of the scriptures you have given me.
I Cor 12:13 - Honestly, I still don't understand your explanation or how this verse fits in with your defense. Could you please go into more detail.. Tell me about the context of this chapter....
ONE SPIRIT BAPTIZED not water it is some thing that no one sees
[2cor 5:7]
regeneration is putting us into Christ add Titus 3:5 by the spirit
2 Cor 5:7 - This is an exellent passage. "For we walk by faith, not by sight." That is true, we walk by faith... But how does faith come about? "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing from the word of God." So..... what does the word of God tell us, "He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved..." (Mark 16 :16).
water baptism was for repentance as in Matt 3:11
mark 16:16 was talking to the apostles vs 14 and they believed not
yes the apostles....did not believe
Heb. 11:1 - Consider the context of this chapter. This chapter gives numerous examples of men who had faith, but did faith alone save them???? Faith saves us when it drives us to obey God. Consider the faith of Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Rahab, and others (Heb. 11:4-32).GEN 15:6 AND ABRAM BELIEVED
hEB 11:17-19 FAITH
jAMES 2:21-26
gEN 22:1-14 WORKS
LITTLE TIME BETWEEN
Eph. 2:8 - "For by grace you have been saved through faith." - yes, by the Lord's grace we can saved through faith. But what is faith??? Is it just accepting Christ as your personal savior. That's not what I read in Hebrews 11...WHERE DOES ONE GET FAITH.......???
FROM THE FRUIT OF THE SPIRIT GAL 5:22-23
SO HOW DOES ONE BELIEVE IF YOU GOTTA HAVE THE SPIRIT TO HAVE FAITH??? BY YOUR OWN POWER NO WAY POSSIBLE
Heb. 11:30 - "By faith the walls of Jericho fell down after they had been encircled for seven days."
Heb. 11:7 - "By faith Noah, being warned by God about things not yet seen, in reverence prepared an ark for the salvation of his household...."
Heb. 11:17 - "By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac, and he who had recieved the promises was offering up his only begotten son."
BELIEVED IN GEN 15:6 TESTED IN GEN 22:1-14 ABOUT 30 YEARS BETWEEN NOT RIGHT AWAY
Eph. 4:4 -I don't understand what point you are making from this verse.... Explain....
vs. 5 tells us that there is "one Lord, one faith, one baptism." What is so complicated about that? Does this verse tell us that faith alone will save?
iN MATT 3:11 IT STATES THAT TWO BAPTISIMS WATER AND SPIRIT AND ONLY ONE BAPTISM THAT PUTS US IN CHRIST ACCORDING TO 1 COR 12:13 IT IS BY THE SPIRIT
John 6:28-29 - Look at this verse carefully... You are telling me that works are not necessary. This verse tells us that faith is a work. Our faith is to be a work, and this is not talking about God's faith.
ALL THE WORKS PASSAGES ARE ABOUT US WORKING FOR SALVATION IS IMPOSSIBLE BUT GOD WORKS AT GUARDING ARE PROMISES IN THE HEAVENS ACCORDING TO 1PETER 1:4-5
AND ONCE AGAIN IT SHOWS WE DO NOTHING IN OUR SALAVATION LESS ANY OF US BOAST ABOUT HOW GOOD WE ARE PLEASE GO TO THOSE VERSE THAT i HAVE WRITTEN SEVERAL TIMES
Titus 3:5 - We do not earn our salvation through our works. We are saved by his mercy. Does this mean that works aren't necessary or important?... Does this mean that faith is the only condition we are to meet? Lets take a look at the first 2 verses in chapter 3...
EPHESIANS 2:10 FOR WE ARE HIS WORKMANSHIP, CREATED IN CHRIST JESUS UNTO GOOD WORKS WHICH GOD HATH BEFORE ORDAINED THAT WE SHOULD WALK IN THEM.
ALREADY IN CHRIST SO THEY HAVE ALREADY BELIEVED
SO NOT NECESSARY FOR SALVATION
Titus 3:1 - Remind tem to be subject to rulers, to authorites, to be obedient, to be ready for every good deed. Vs 2 - To malign no one, to be peacable, gentle, showing every consideration for all men.
Is faith necessary for salvation... Yes. Will faith alone save one's soul?
Lets take a look -
John 12:42-43: Nevertheless many even of the rulers believed in him, but b/c of the Pharisees they were not confessing him, for fear they would be put out of the synagogue; for they loved the approval of men men rather than the approval of God.
mATT 7:21 NOT EVERY ONE THAT SAITH UNTO ME, LORD, LORD, SHALL ENTER INTO HEAVEN; BUT HE THAT DOETH THE WILL OF MY FATHER WHICH IS IN HEAVEN. 22 MANY WILL SAY TO ME IN THAT DAY, LORD, LORD,HAVE WE NOT PROPHESIED IN THY NAME? AND IN THY HAVE CAST OUT DEVILS? AND IN THY NAME DONE MANY WONDERFUL WORKS? 23 AND THEN I WILL I PROFESS UNTO THEM, I NEVER KNEW YOU: DEPART FROM ME, YE THAT WORK INIQUITY
WHAT IS WORK INIQUITY...WORKS OF THE FLESH REV 20:13, gAL 5:19-21
James 2:19: You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder.
These are 2 passages that clearly show faith alone does not save.
LOOK AT MATT 7:21-23 EXPLAINATION
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