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I decided to accept baptism as necessary for salvation just so I may test if change happens. I will get baptised in church of Christ but anyway I know those who are still alive who repented to desire it seeking so can be saved.
I believe that WATER BAPRIM has never been required for TODAY .I believe I was right to trust God as God is just so if a person believed in Him yet was persuaded later baptism is not necessary to be saved but just should be done as a profession of commitment as a testimony that one is commiting to Christian faith to make disciples then I have faith one would be accepted but one can do so if one thinks he must I don’t think we can judge I believe God will accept if they are worried and think He won’t they can do so I believe even if one refuses to be baptised now even if he heard plausible arguments why it is required if he is not convinced and believes he does not need it trusting in God because He is just that He would not require it believing indeed that He would not require it as God cares about the heart and believes it is not required because if one was following Him but he chose not to and just because he did not get baptized or break bread with someone often that God would reject him because of a ritual so one just may not believe it really though if he really believes such is essential he can do but some do not really believe such is essential myself too trusting God is just not believing God would really care for such rituals to save people. And some may believe as bible says we were not saved by works as Galatians says you were saved by faith not born of the will of man and we received the Spirit by faith and not works of the law
And many TRUST that water baptism can SAVE ,like when they read Acts 2:38 and Mark 16:16 .I think so too it is not required but can’t say and does not hurt for all to do and communion too that they may all have power of Spirit in one life if it is required. For I do not know for sure if others were able to endure persecution or how much without it.
And many TRUST that water baptism can SAVE ,like when they read Acts 2:38 and Mark 16:16 .
dan p
And many TRUST that water baptism can SAVE ,like when they read Acts 2:38 and Mark 16:16 .
dan p
I have to see a Greek word for Transubstantiation in the BIBLE and sure would lie a verse where it is FOUND ?One only needs to seek to be baptised and have communion as we should hold incase required but God knows and is just so if anyone turns to christ at any time seeking such he would be saved and I want to try only for believers and for those who hold same beliefs so if one was looking for one with same beliefs to desire one can be saved or seeking to do with one with same beliefs so one should always seek to look however one effort one can do so he will be secure supposing they were required. It seems there is no Protestant churches that hold not just real presence but to accept atleast perhaps transubstantiation so it makes my life harder to follow only bible but I believe is right.
And Christ baptism was a RITUAL , and where is a verse for that RITUAL ?You guys make it sound like what Christ did had nothing to do with "rituals". This is a betrayal of who Christ was. Christ was baptised. If he rejected baptism's validity because it was a "ritual", he had a strange way of showing it.
And Christ baptism was a RITUAL , and where is a verse for that RITUAL ?
Israel did not know water baptism was until John the Baptizer came on the scene in John 1:31 and this baptism was only given to Israel ??
Why not given to Judah , Samaritans and to Gentiles ?
When you see the Greek word BAPTISM , does it ALWAYS mean WATER BAPTISM ?
Here is an example in 1N Cor 10:2 , and ALL were BAPTIZED unto Moses , in the CLOUD and in the SEA ?
How were the Baptized unto Moses , in the CLOUD , and in the SEA ?And HOW .
And how was Israel BAPTIZED unto the CLOUD ?
And BAPTIZED unto the SEA ?
And what does the CLOUD represent ?
And what does the SEA represent ?
And how were the thousands OF Egyptians BAPTIZED .
Just because you the the Greek BAPTISM / BAPTISZO does NOT always meand WATER !!
Here is another one in 1 Cor 15:29 , How were thet BAPTIZED FOR THE DEAD ?
dan p
The baptism that brings about our reception of salvation is an act that man must DO (Mark 16:16, Matt 28:19, Acts 22:16). This cannot be Spirit baptism, because man cannot make the Spirit baptize anyone. That means, as 1 Pet 3:21 so clearly and directly states, that it is water baptism that is in reference in Col 2:11-14 and Rom 6:1-4 where we are told that the Spirit takes action during baptism to remove our sins and unite us with Jesus' death and resurrection. This is not just a symbolic ritual, but the point in time at which the Spirit takes action to save us through the power of Jesus' death on the cross, His spilled blood, and His resurrection that defeated death.I see your points that it seems to be what matters is Spirit baptism that Christ accomplishes when you believe but might as well be water baptised to be sure.
I do not mind when you are JUDGDING ME when 1 Cor 5:1-2 and also 1 Cor 6:1-6 and we are to JUDGE , SORRY !!As I said in thread I have feeling I should obey this I meant to post here but still will leave there as I am teaching that now that I believe should leave to Christ trusting Him that His judgements will be just. I posted below.
I honestly believe it is best to teach whole gospel trusting God leaving it to Him knowing He is just that no one has excuse to seek to judge others who believe they need to be baptised incase they die at any time while not seeking to be and without it perhaps you can die at any time while not seeking to that there is risk to die at any time while not seeking to that risk will be greater if you do not or even if not can die at anytime and if you risk if at anytime not taking seriously to do which is likely to do so one should.
It is wrong to judge if they can’t know bible does not teach that though they believe it is not important and they should also admit they could be wrong and they should teach it to be united. God alone will decide and should trust Him to be just. I also think should teach communion to do sometimes too though some disagree to believe Jesus did not teach communion as others see it but they should do it to admit they can be wrong for Jesus said to do it until He comes.
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