Baptism and communion

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Nope.

The Pharisee was not astonished that Jesus didn't take a bath (baptizo), he was astonished that he did not ceremonially 'wash' his hands via non-immersion. (Luke 11:38). The disciples were not criticized were for taking a bath (baptizo) after returning from the Market, they were criticized for not ceremonially 'washing" their hands via non-immmersion. Mark 7:4

Baptizo allows any method of washing.....immersion, pouring or sprinkling.
You have been the one who says that if baptizo means immersion then "wash" must mean a "bath". Nothing could be further from the truth. One can immerse their hands without immersing their whole body. One can immerse a cup or bowl without taking a "bath". The ceremonial hand washing was similar to the catholic practice of dipping their hand in "holy water" (whatever that is supposed to be). The practice was to dip (immerse) their hands in a bowl of water, thus ceremonially washing them.
 
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You have been the one who says that if baptizo means immersion then "wash" must mean a "bath".
Really? So Paul was immersed in a standing position in the house of Judas correct?

Now these stupid word games start.
 
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Really? So Paul was immersed in a standing position in the house of Judas correct?

Now these stupid word games start.
What stupid word games? No, Paul was not immersed in a standing position in Judas' house. That is your nonsensical conclusion. Paul stood up, went outside to whatever body of water was nearest, went down into the water (like the Eunuch did in Acts 8) and was baptized. Then he came up out of the water, went back to the house and ate some food.
 
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Paul stood up, went outside to whatever body of water was nearest, went down into the water
Where does the text say this. Eisogetical babble.

Anyway, I have enough material from you. I took alot of screenshots of your comments. I may at a later date teach a Bible class on this subject matter with you being representative of a immersionist.

I have nothing more here.
 
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Where does the text say this. Eisogetical babble.

Anyway, I have enough material from you. I took alot of screenshots of your comments. I may at a later date teach a Bible class on this subject matter with you being representative of a immersionist.

I have nothing more here.
No, the text does not say that, because it is totally inconsequential to the salvation of Paul or of anyone living today. But your psychobabble about him being baptized while standing in the house is preposterous.
 
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What stupid word games? No, Paul was not immersed in a standing position in Judas' house. That is your nonsensical conclusion. Paul stood up, went outside to whatever body of water was nearest, went down into the water (like the Eunuch did in Acts 8) and was baptized. Then he came up out of the water, went back to the house and ate some food.
And Acts 9:18 says that Paul , STOOD UP // ANISTEMI and was baptized ?

Was Paul IMMERSED , NO ?

More that likely was SPRINKLED // RHANTIZO .

There was no WATER BAPRISM until John was preaching WATER BAPTISM to Israel in John 1:31

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And Acts 9:18 says that Paul , STOOD UP // ANISTEMI and was baptized ?

Was Paul IMMERSED , NO ?

More that likely was SPRINKLED // RHANTIZO .

There was no WATER BAPRISM until John was preaching WATER BAPTISM to Israel in John 1:31

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Baptism (from Koinē Greek: βάπτισμα, romanized: váptisma, lit. 'immersion, dipping in water')
Concerning the origin of baptism, Christian theologians suggest that, although baptism was used by John the Baptist, baptism itself did not originate with Christians or, for that matter, with John. Jews practiced baptism as a traditional act of purification and the initiation of converts to Judaism long before the coming of the Messiah. The origins of baptism might be found in the book of Leviticus where the Levite priests were commanded to perform a symbolic cleansing in water before and after performing their priestly duties. Leviticus 16:4 tells us, “He is to put on the sacred linen tunic, with linen undergarments next to his body; he is to tie the linen sash around him and put on the linen turban. These are sacred garments; so he must bathe himself with water before he puts them on.” Scripture also states in Leviticus 16:23-24, "Then Aaron is to go into the Tent of Meeting and take off the linen garments he put on before he entered the Most Holy Place, and he is to leave them there. He shall bathe himself with water in a holy place and put on his regular garments. Then he shall come out and sacrifice the burnt offering for himself and the burnt offering for the people, to make atonement for himself and for the people.”

Although the act described in these Old Testament passages was not specifically called “baptism,” it does highlight how important and holy ceremonial (and practical) cleansing is to God. John’s “baptism of repentance” (Luke 3:3; Acts 19:4) followed this paradigm of cleansing, although the final cleansing from sin is only available through Christ, and John’s baptism was the foreshadowing of that. The significance of baptism as a New Testament ceremony is that, as believers in Jesus Christ, we are baptized into His death (Romans 6:3) and raised to walk in newness of life (Romans 6:4 KJV). The Lord taught the significance of baptism to the extent that He Himself was baptized by John the Baptist at the start of His ministry (Mark 1:9).

Yes, Paul was immersed (baptized) between when he stood up and when he sat down again to eat. The Scripture does not say that he went out to where there was water and returned, but there typically was not a large pool of water in the home into which he could be immersed, so it is obvious that he went out to where one was, and was immersed.
 
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Baptism (from Koinē Greek: βάπτισμα, romanized: váptisma, lit. 'immersion, dipping in water')
Concerning the origin of baptism, Christian theologians suggest that, although baptism was used by John the Baptist, baptism itself did not originate with Christians or, for that matter, with John. Jews practiced baptism as a traditional act of purification and the initiation of converts to Judaism long before the coming of the Messiah. The origins of baptism might be found in the book of Leviticus where the Levite priests were commanded to perform a symbolic cleansing in water before and after performing their priestly duties. Leviticus 16:4 tells us, “He is to put on the sacred linen tunic, with linen undergarments next to his body; he is to tie the linen sash around him and put on the linen turban. These are sacred garments; so he must bathe himself with water before he puts them on.” Scripture also states in Leviticus 16:23-24, "Then Aaron is to go into the Tent of Meeting and take off the linen garments he put on before he entered the Most Holy Place, and he is to leave them there. He shall bathe himself with water in a holy place and put on his regular garments. Then he shall come out and sacrifice the burnt offering for himself and the burnt offering for the people, to make atonement for himself and for the people.”

Although the act described in these Old Testament passages was not specifically called “baptism,” it does highlight how important and holy ceremonial (and practical) cleansing is to God. John’s “baptism of repentance” (Luke 3:3; Acts 19:4) followed this paradigm of cleansing, although the final cleansing from sin is only available through Christ, and John’s baptism was the foreshadowing of that. The significance of baptism as a New Testament ceremony is that, as believers in Jesus Christ, we are baptized into His death (Romans 6:3) and raised to walk in newness of life (Romans 6:4 KJV). The Lord taught the significance of baptism to the extent that He Himself was baptized by John the Baptist at the start of His ministry (Mark 1:9).

Yes, Paul was immersed (baptized) between when he stood up and when he sat down again to eat. The Scripture does not say that he went out to where there was water and returned, but there typically was not a large pool of water in the home into which he could be immersed, so it is obvious that he went out to where one was, and was immersed.
And why was Jesus than Water Baptized by John in Matt 3:15 if he had no sin ??

Gen 6:6 says why Christ REPENTED !!

And Acts 2:38 says why Israel had to REPENT ?

How many REPENTED ?? Not MANY !!

Israel NEVER repented and instead KILLED Christ as seen in Acts 2:36 and verse 37 they said , " What will we do ??


Peter in Acts 2:38 tells them what do DO and never did , DID THEY , NOOOOOOOand is Acts 28:25-28 were set ASIDE and Paul went to preach to the Gentiles !!

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And why was Jesus than Water Baptized by John in Matt 3:15 if he had no sin ??
Firstly to fulfill all righteousness (Matt 3:15).
But also as a form of foreshadowing NT baptism, and as an example for all of His disciples (including us today).
Gen 6:6 says why Christ REPENTED !!
And Acts 2:38 says why Israel had to REPENT ?
How many REPENTED ?? Not MANY !!
3000 on that day alone. And daily more were coming to repent and be baptized into Christ. As a percentage of the total of Jews in the world, that is not a significant number. But as a percentage of those already in the Church (120), it was a growth of 2500%. That is a hugely significant growth.
Israel NEVER repented and instead KILLED Christ as seen in Acts 2:36 and verse 37 they said , " What will we do ??
Israel as a nation, but individuals did repent, including leaders of synagogues, Pharisees, and other leaders of the nation.
Peter in Acts 2:38 tells them what do DO and never did , DID THEY , NOOOOOOOand is Acts 28:25-28 were set ASIDE and Paul went to preach to the Gentiles !!
Acts 28:25-28 may have been the last time that Paul preached in a Synagogue, but his comment does not mean that individual Jews cannot come to Christ and be saved. It means that the control, leadership, and primary membership of the Church is no longer Jewish, but Gentile. And that Paul would no longer focus on Jews first, but would focus on Gentiles.
 
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Firstly to fulfill all righteousness (Matt 3:15).
But also as a form of foreshadowing NT baptism, and as an example for all of His disciples (including us today).

3000 on that day alone. And daily more were coming to repent and be baptized into Christ. As a percentage of the total of Jews in the world, that is not a significant number. But as a percentage of those already in the Church (120), it was a growth of 2500%. That is a hugely significant growth.

Israel as a nation, but individuals did repent, including leaders of synagogues, Pharisees, and other leaders of the nation.

Acts 28:25-28 may have been the last time that Paul preached in a Synagogue, but his comment does not mean that individual Jews cannot come to Christ and be saved. It means that the control, leadership, and primary membership of the Church is no longer Jewish, but Gentile. And that Paul would no longer focus on Jews first, but would focus on Gentiles.
And that happened about 2000 years ago !!

How are Jews saved today with a verse , your thoughts ??


dan p
 
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And that happened about 2000 years ago !!

How are Jews saved today with a verse , your thoughts ??


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Today there is no difference, spiritually, between Jews and Gentiles; we are all saved in exactly the same way. Jews, like Gentiles, are saved today through hearing the Gospel, believing it, and obeying it through repentance, confession of Jesus as Lord, and baptism. This puts a person "in Christ", and begins a life of continual repentance, striving to remain in the Light, and spreading the good news that we have accepted to others around us.
 
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