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All that boils down to is you're saying "Goddidit"
"inference" is very definitive in this context: "a : the act of passing from one proposition, statement, or judgment considered as true to another whose truth is believed to follow from that of the former"
For instance, the mosaic features of A. afarensis infer that the species is in transition from the common ancestor to H. sapiens.
God made animals according to their kind,thats why you see similarities within classes.Ive explained this.Ive explained common descent is true only to an extent.
You ignored again my question regarding lucys intelligence and how on earth you can tell how intelligent she was?
You would think that almighty God would make our origins understandable to EVERYONE,
the word used is appropriate, because inferences are based on finite "clues" at that particular time. Those clues could be found to be errant later in time...therefore, using the word "inference" is an "out" of sorts, in case there is that big ol' "Oops!" factor that arises later.
If you are thinking that evolution will be overturned later and special creation shown to be valid, please remember that scientists started out inferring special creation. It was later clues that caused the "oops" that special creation was errant.
Brinny, you go with the data you have at the time. Inference means that you have valid conclusions based on the data you now have. That you think later data will most certainly overturn the inference is wishful thinking at best.
you just took a huge step in some direction i'm nowhere near...i was speaking of science and its history.
THere's historically an "Oops" factor because science is not exact.
That is because man is finite and he is not perfect and cannot see all things, but only one step forward at a time.
So am I. I am giving you some of the history of science to show where previous "oops" have happened.
What you mean to say is science is tentative. Not that science isn't exact. Science is tentative about the positive statements for 2 reasons:
1. Because science uses deductive logic, it is impossible to "prove" with deductive logic.
2. No matter how much support we have for a theory, there may still be a better theory out there we haven't thought of. For instance, the initial theory about the shape of the earth was that it was spherical. Later data caused this to be revised to an oblate spheroid. New data may mean that the shape of the earth will be modified in the future.
However, please note that, because of deductive logic, we can definitively disprove. So the absolutey certain statements in science are the negative ones:
1. The earth is not flat.
2. Proteins are not the hereditary material.
3. The earth is not less than 20,000 years old.
4. Species did not arise from special creation.
You might remember that "man is finite" when you consider scripture. Remember, it was written by humans, not God. And humans, being finite, cannot percieve the totality of God.
Man may not be perfect but you believe God is, right? Well, what science studies is evidence God directly left in creation. Thus, when we are wrong, God will eventually tell us so in His Creation. Yes, we take one step forward at a time, but we know the false steps.
Unfortunately, you are trying to put "inference" as "not definitive". Not because science is tentative, but because you don't like the inference, so you are trying to downgrade it. But you don't do that with everything in science, do you? You do not question the inference that the earth is round, or the inference that DNA is the hereditary material. You are cherry-picking which inferences you want the word "inference" to call into question.
Ask yourself: is that honest?
Sure. The key word is "depending". You can disprove certain versions of God, but science cannot do away with the supernatural altogether. It isn't designed to.Here, I disagree. Depending on the specific nature and definition of God, He can indeed be disproven.
My youngest daughter has always been interested in the paranormal from when she was in her early teens, and said she has witnessed some sensations or existence of spirits.No. Science cannot test the supernatural.
Originally Posted by brinny
Can science dis-prove the existence of God?
Yes.
My youngest daughter has always been interested in the paranormal from when she was in her early teens, and said she has witnessed some sensations or existence of spirits.
As she has gotten older, she has trended away from it, but still likes watching paranormal and haunting shows on TV [so does my wife for that matter]
Paranormal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Scientific skeptics advocate critical investigation of claims of paranormal phenomena: applying the scientific method to reach a rational, scientific explanation of the phenomena to account for the paranormal claims, taking into account that alleged paranormal abilities and occurrences are sometimes hoaxes or misinterpretations of natural phenomena. A way of summarizing this method is by the application of Occam's razor, which suggests that the simplest solution is usually the correct one.[14] The standard scientific models gives an explanation for what appears to be paranormal phenomena is usually a misinterpretation, misunderstanding, or anomalous variation of natural phenomena, rather than an actual paranormal phenomenon.
"I do believe in spooks, I do believe in spooks".......i find that joyful singing, and even laughter, keeps the spooks away
ok, you say yes....Mallon says no....
As Mallon said, it depends on what attributes you ascribe to God.
If you believe in a God that resides in a palace atop Mt. Olympus, yeah that one's falsifiable.
Sure. The key word is "depending". You can disprove certain versions of God, but science cannot do away with the supernatural altogether. It isn't designed to.
Yes, I agree, we can't do away with the supernatural altogether. But God (as opposed to god) has specific attributes by which he can be disproven.
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