Atheists, Why Do You Believe That Christians Cannot Accept Evolution?

[VirOptimus]

Let's face it.

If Jesus had never existed, would it be AD 2020 right now?

Jesus probablt existed is some capacity. That that person did everything in the gospels is much more a thing of faith.

 

[AV1611VET]

Who is doing the lifting?

The Romans, when they lifted Him up on the Cross.

 

[AV1611VET]

I will not fall for your traps.

Then don't list three different objects of worship in a discussion about who the real God is.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Let's face it.

If Jesus had never existed, would it be AD 2020 right now?

I'm not convinced that Jesus did exist.

If there had been no Christianity, then of course there would be no year dating based on a Christian assumption (a crude estimate of the B'day of Jesus). Perhaps the year would be 2067 of the Roman Imperium. Who knows. Who cares. Maybe we'd call this the year 245.

 

[AV1611VET]

Jesus probablt existed is some capacity. That that person did everything in the gospels is much more a thing of faith.

Well they must have believed He did, as that is a doosey of a designation.

Splitting and labeling time by the Messiah.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Then don't list three different objects of worship in a discussion about who the real God is.

A lot of religions use objects in worship, but not to be worshiped. I listed three such objects I was familiar with.

 

[VirOptimus]

I'm not convinced that Jesus did exist.

If there had been no Christianity, then of course there would be no year dating based on a Christian assumption (a crude estimate of the B'day of Jesus). Perhaps the year would be 2067 of the Roman Imperium. Who knows. Who cares. Maybe we'd call this the year 245.

Also, there quite a few different calendars and years around the world. AD/BC is far from universal.

 

[VirOptimus]

Well they must have believed He did, as that is a doosey of a designation.

Splitting and labeling time by the Messiah.

That is not unique, look up other calendars.

 

[eleos1954]

I know the fact most of or all of us do that's why I'm curious to hear the opposition's side of this.

Evolution and the Genesis account are mutually exclusive. Do not be deceived. One can not believe in both.

God says He created the universe and everything in it.

Science says the universe "somehow" created itself.

I know the fact most of or all of us do

This is an assumption on your part ... not a fact

 

[Hans Blaster]

Also, there quite a few different calendars and years around the world. AD/BC is far from universal.

Indeed, the 245 in my post was the "Year of American Independence" calendar sometimes used (additionally) on US government legal documents.

 

[AV1611VET]

I'm not convinced that Jesus did exist.

From Wikipedia:

Virtually all modern scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed historically,

SOURCE

 

[Hans Blaster]

From Wikipedia:

SOURCE

Cool!

 

[AV1611VET]

Indeed, the 245 in my post was the "Year of American Independence" calendar sometimes used (additionally) on US government legal documents.

What year is it? and why?

 

[DarylFawcett]

Science says the universe "somehow" created itself.

Are you saying that science says that there was a time when there was nothing and that the universe "somehow" came from nothing?

 

[VirOptimus]

What year is it? and why?

Depends on the calendar.

CalendarHome.com

 

[Hans Blaster]

Well they must have believed He did, as that is a doosey of a designation.

This is actually the point of our objection to your "list of evidences". Clearly people believed in Jesus enough to spread the message and write the Gospels and other NT books. All of those items you (repeatedly) list are likewise evidence for the widespread beliefs in Jesus and Christian doctrine. NO ONE DISPUTES THAT. But, they aren't evidence for the truth of Christian doctrine.

 

[Hans Blaster]

What year is it? and why?

Didn't I already say. It's Year 245. The Declaration of Independence was dated to July 4, Year 1.

Alternatively, we could use the COVID calendar in which I believe it is now the year 731.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Are you saying that science says that there was a time when there was nothing and that the universe "somehow" came from nothing?

To be clear science (cosmology and physics) say "we don't know" (yet).

 

[DarylFawcett]

To be clear science (cosmology and physics) say "we don't know" (yet).

Then that leaves room even for science to discover that there is a Creator of some sort.

 

[eleos1954]

Are you saying that science says that there was a time when there was nothing and that the universe "somehow" came from nothing?

Am sure there are various theories ... this is from the National Academy of Sciences.

The Big Bang theory says that the universe came into being from a single, unimaginably hot and dense point (aka, a singularity) more than 13 billion years ago. It didn’t occur in an already existing space. Rather, it initiated the expansion—and cooling—of space itself.

The main point between the two ... God says He made everything fully formed .... science says everything formed (evolved) over time via space and matter ... and everything living/life evolved from there on out.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

The categories are kind of fuzzy. Your experience doesn't seem all that different from mine, though if you'd asked me about my belief in the basic tenants of the Church I would have honest answered that I did believe, but somewhere in the next five years that ended. (Though I did believe in Santa Clause until I was about 10, so maybe I'm to gullible.) I accepted it as true and fulfilled my weekly and Lenten obligations, but otherwise thought very little about faith and religion. Perhaps things would have been different if I'd been forced to go to Catholic school (shudder). It's possible my rejection of the Church might have been earlier and more visible (my family still doesn't know). The largest doubts I had (before age 25) were from the pre-Confirmation contemplations.

Interesting... I was doing all the things one was supposed to do, catechism, confirmation, etc., anticipating the time when it would all slot into place, but it never happened, it just became more absurd (although I liked the drama and pageantry of the full-scale Latin mass). Most of my friends didn't believe, and I remember wondering how many pupils and teachers were pretending to believe just to fit in... When I got to university and met people of many religious backgrounds from around the world who'd had the same experience, then it all slotted into place!