Atheists, Why Do You Believe That Christians Cannot Accept Evolution?

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

One of us has Venn diagram issues. But given your presupposition that we are both simply primates, again, why? Will it affect my DNA propagation success in some way?

I think the point is that when you make a claim in the Physical & Life Sciences forum, particularly a controversial claim, you're expected to be able to support it; i.e. show some evidence for it or make an argument to support it. Otherwise Hitchen's razor applies ("What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.").

 

[AV1611VET]

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[Occams Barber]

Or put'em in a foxhole.

Apparently there are atheists in foxholes.

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OB

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

And your post contains no evidence, so I'll likewise dismiss it, despite the vast overestimation of Hitchens' authority to formulate any kind of universal principle.

What evidence would satisfy you that posters making claims on a science forum are expected to be able to support them for them to be taken seriously?

 

[SelfSim]

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The model is more a humanistic/agnostic one which accepts how humans can give reality lots of meanings (I have arguments elsewhere with other Humanists .. in fact, I'm not convinced I am a Humanist yet .. all I can see at present, is that Atheism doesn't produce the consistency (or honesty/integrity) of the "don't know" stance).

So, Faith (belief based) can both produce meanings for 'reality', just as science does .. the difference lies in distinguishing the process being taken. Science has its (well known and published) process and belief based is .. well .. just a different one.

Seen from a here, now, today viewpoint, the longer term use of such a humanistic approach lies in distinguishing and accepting both ways humans envisage reality .. there are lots of other ways to do this also, (as the study of Philosophy has shown us .. but Philosopies all have core belief based assumptions). Distinguishing hidden beliefs is the key, (IMO).

 

[SelfSim]

Oh, the other longer term benefit I envisage, which happens to be demonstrable, (even at CFs and from the Go-Gos lyrics: 'It doesn't matter anyway ..') is that both Theistic and Atheisic folk can still 'do' the scientfic method .. The method is quite successful in weeding out beliefs and encourages leaving them at the door .. ie: 'Shut up and Calculate' .. The beauty lies in that one can still claim them, on exiting that door.

 

[SelfSim]

Quiet, angel

Ahh .. That'd be what Angus Young compared .. no .. actually likened Brian Johnson's voice with!
(Can't find the YouTube where he did that). That's Angus' rock reality in action right there ...

 

[SelfSim]

.. but enjoy your words.

Its not so much about enjoying words .. its more about getting your drift from their meanings, (ie: meanings we somehow agree on), which I find useful.

 

[FreeinChrist]

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This thread had a clean up of some problem posts and responses.

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[MIDutch]

Very depressing that here in the 21st century we are still having these same 19th century arguments.