Atheists, Why Do You Believe That Christians Cannot Accept Evolution?

[April_Rose]

And thursday is very strong evidence for the thundergod Thor, mars is very strong evidence for the wargod Mars and fourth of may very strong evidence for Darth Vader.

Lord forgive me but I find this hilarious. XD

 

[Hans Blaster]

If we actually needed evidence to be a Christian though we wouldn't need our faith and that is something that a lot of atheists and agnostics don't understand.

At least we've circled back to the origins of the thread, with blanket statements about what atheists/agnostics believe or do not, or in this case whether they understand faith.

Generally I would put atheists/agnostics in a few, broad "experiential" categories regarding their experience with religion.

1. The "never religious" who grew up without any religion or god beliefs. They likely *don't* understand the faith you speak of but have seen it in others. This is still a fairly small group, but will increase as more children are raised without religion.

2. Those who were formerly fervent believers and for various reasons started to question their faith until they ultimately rejected it. These people understand the kind of faith you and many others on this site speak of because they felt it themselves. A lot of the prominent/vocal atheists fall in this category.

3. Then there are those who had a more modest or subdued faith and fell out of it. They believed but were the kind who were unlikely to tell you about it in line at the grocery store. Their experience of faith may be less intense, but they did believe. Eventually they too lost their faith.

I was in the 3rd category. I believed the teachings of the Church, but outside my obligations, didn't put much consideration into it. So though I've seen a lot of the faith you describe, I haven't personally experienced it.

 

[AV1611VET]

A cultural celebration is not evidence of the birth of a deity.

Which came first though? the birth, or the celebration?

How one answers that says a lot about how they think.

 

[VirOptimus]

Which came first though? the birth, or the celebration?

How one answers that says a lot about how they think.

Christmas, or as we say jul, is a far older holiday than christianity.

 

[April_Rose]

Which came first though? the birth, or the celebration?

How one answers that says a lot about how they think.

The celebration came because of what Christians believe. Believe being the keyword here. We believe that Jesus was born and crucified for our sins as Christians,.. but it's a lot different from evidence and proof. Don't your remember what Jesus told Thomas though? "Blessed are they that have not seen and yet have believed." - John 20:29

 

[AV1611VET]

I can't believe I'm saying this but I agree with @Paulos23 on this one. The birth of Christ is what Christmas is or should be about, but it isn't evidence of Christ. If we actually needed evidence to be a Christian though we wouldn't need our faith and that is something that a lot of atheists and agnostics don't understand.

Some years ago, I came up with this list of evidence for Jesus Christ:

1. Time divided into BC and AD.
2. Organizations such as the Red Cross and Salvation Army.
3. Hospitals built by Christian organizations.
4. Beautiful Christian artwork, edifices, statuary and literature.
5. IN GOD WE TRUST on our coins and UNDER GOD in our pledge of allegiance.
6. The Ten Commandments and other literature displayed in public.
7. Christmas & Easter
8. Symbols on bumper stickers and flags.
9. Public debates in the name of Christianity.
10. Crosses and billboards erected to testify of Jesus Christ.

James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

 

[VirOptimus]

Some years ago, I came up with this list of evidence for Jesus Christ:

1. Time divided into BC and AD.
2. Organizations such as the Red Cross and Salvation Army.
3. Hospitals built by Christian organizations.
4. Beautiful Christian artwork, edifices, statuary and literature.
5. IN GOD WE TRUST on our coins and UNDER GOD in our pledge of allegiance.
6. The Ten Commandments and other literature displayed in public.
7. Christmas & Easter
8. Symbols on bumper stickers and flags.
9. Public debates in the name of Christianity.
10. Crosses and billboards erected to testify of Jesus Christ.

James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

You dont understand the meaning of ”evidence”.

 

[AV1611VET]

And thursday is very strong evidence for the thundergod Thor,

That is correct. I take it you don't believe Thor ever existed?

If I'm right, do you know the full implication of what a fallen angel could do back then? even disguising himself?

 

[VirOptimus]

That is correct. I take it you don't believe Thor ever existed?

If I'm right, do you know the full implication of what a fallen angel could do back then? even disguising himself?

No, I dont belive in magic/god(s) like you do.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Some people only celebrate the commercialism of it by the gift giving/Santa Claus etc. Of course we as Christians already know that that isn't what it's all about,.. but I was just explaining why unbelievers may celebrate it that's all.

Non-Christians knew what it was really about long before the Christians hijacked the midwinter solstice festivals

 

[Hans Blaster]

OP: 'cause some of them don't understand how evidence works.

 

[AV1611VET]

Lord forgive me but I find this hilarious. XD

Have you ever seen the Star Trek episode: Who Mourns for Adonis?

 

[April_Rose]

Have you ever seen the Star Trek episode: Who Mourns for Adonis?

No, not into Star Trek.

 

[AV1611VET]

Christmas, or as we say jul, is a far older holiday than christianity.

By what? some 33 years?

 

[Caliban]

If we actually needed evidence to be a Christian though we wouldn't need our faith and that is something that a lot of atheists and agnostics don't understand.

We understand the distinction between faith and evidence--that is why we appreciate epistemology. We understand you value faith--we however, do not for some very good reasons.

 

[AV1611VET]

You dont understand the meaning of ”evidence”.

I know ... and so I've got nothing ... right?

 

[April_Rose]

We understand the distinction between faith and evidence--that is why we appreciate epistemology. We understand you value faith--we however do not for some very good reasons.

A lot and all are two different things.

 

[AV1611VET]

No, not into Star Trek.

Just wondering.

It's basically Captain Kirk vs Apollo.

 

[April_Rose]

I know ... and so I've got nothing ... right?

Afraid so, but do we really need evidence? Isn't our faith enough?

 

[AV1611VET]

We understand the distinction between faith and evidence--that is why we appreciate epistemology. We understand you value faith--we however do not for some very good reasons.

Faith requires an object.

And in the case of Christianity, God supplied that Object.

Academia objects.