Atheists, can Christianity be debunked fully?

[yeshuaslavejeff]

You seem to be attempting to get off topic. Someone posted that if you pray you can find out if a god is real. I pointed out that people who pray and believe can come to find out that they didn't actually have a reason to believe. Which makes the idea that you can pray and accurately decide if a god is real nonsensical.

I thought I was just answering your questions.
Someone told you wrong.
You posted/ or seem to realize this.
You did not see any evidence that someone was actually converted you posted.
UNTIL YOU SEE evidence (OR until you just have FAITH (a gift) )
you should NOT convert, or you might be worse off than if you wait, like many other people who you saw you believed were not any different than others (i.e. you did not believe they were truly converted).

AFTER , if ever, you have faith ( a gift ) , everything changes.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Which makes the idea that you can pray and accurately decide if a god is real nonsensical.

Remember, others here who ARE NOT converted, and do not appear to ever have been converted, may be just like those you saw in the past. (deceived?)

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Yes... and?

You do not need a reason to believe.
If God grants you faith, just believe - just seek Him truthfully,
so IF you become born again, it is for real, and not for show/ fake.

 

[ToBeLoved]

I was a devoted Christian. I can tell you anything you'd like to know about my experience in the faith.

So what are you now?

 

[HitchSlap]

So what are you now?

I don't consider myself a person of supernatural faith any longer.

 

[cloudyday2]

I don't consider myself a person of supernatural faith any longer.

In my case, I know I have some German and Welsh, so I'm no true Scotsman. Nobody is perfect.

 

[HitchSlap]

In my case, I know I have some German and Welsh, so I'm no true Scotsman. Nobody is perfect.

Well, I had my DNA test, and I'm pretty much Scott/Irish/Scandinavian... and 1.1% Neanderthal.

Alas, I'm no true Scotsman either.

 

[ToddNotTodd]

You do not need a reason to believe.
If God grants you faith, just believe - just seek Him truthfully,
so IF you become born again, it is for real, and not for show/ fake.

Believing something for no reason at all is nonsensical, because there’s an infinite number of false things you could believe in, so the chances of believing in a true thing through nothing more than faith are almost nil.

 

[ToddNotTodd]

What I said is why don’t aetheiats pray and try to experience the spiritual to figure it out.

Almost every atheist I’ve known, myself included, were theists at one time. So there’s a whole of praying that went nowhere...

 

[ToBeLoved]

Almost every atheist I’ve known, myself included, were theists at one time. So there’s a whole of praying that went nowhere...

Why don't you 'show me the data' from a source that has proven that.

Come on, is this your best? Seems like now you are just making things up and desperate.

I hope I’m wrong when you post a link to a reputable source. We’ll see.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Believing something for no reason at all is nonsensical, because there’s an infinite number of false things you could believe in, so the chances of believing in a true thing through nothing more than faith are almost nil.

That's partly true - there is little to no chance for most people.

For some, a few, who choose to serve God, to believe and trust and rely on Him,
even for no reason at all,
all the angels in heaven RejOICE with great JOY for their eternal salvation.

(after they are saved, they have great reason to rejoice)

Yet, those who believe those false things like you chose to believe,
don't get saved by believing what is false. (as you know/posted).

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Almost every atheist I’ve known, myself included, were theists at one time. So there’s a whole of praying that went nowhere...

As YHVH says also, yes, that's right, that is true.

 

[ToddNotTodd]

Why don't you 'show me the data' from a source that has proven that.

Come on, is this your best? Seems like now you are just making things up and desperate.

I hope I’m wrong when you post a link to a reputable source. We’ll see.

Proven what?

 

[ToBeLoved]

Proven what?

You said most aetheists are former believers.

I asked for data or proof from a reliable source like Pew Internet.

 

[ToddNotTodd]

You said most aetheists are former believers.

I asked for data or proof from a reliable source like Pew Internet.

I said no such thing.

Reading comprehension is very important...

 

[ToBeLoved]

I said no such thing.

Reading comprehension is very important...

Reread post 89

 

[Tinker Grey]

Almost every atheist I’ve known, myself included, were theists at one time. So there’s a whole of praying that went nowhere...

You said most aetheists are former believers.

I asked for data or proof from a reliable source like Pew Internet.

Reread post 89

Irony.

Oh, and it's "atheist".

 

[HitchSlap]

You said most aetheists are former believers.

I asked for data or proof from a reliable source like Pew Internet.

Actually, he said the ones he knew.

 

[Nihilist Virus]

My faith in Christianity has withered to the point that I have a hard time imagining ever believing again, but I like to double-check my conclusions periodically.

So I started in the style of a proof by counter example. Assume Christianity in some basic and standard form is true. Can I find a counter example to debunk this assumption to my satisfaction? Or must I rely on the lack of positive evidence and unlikeliness of Christian claims?

Is there some core assumption of Christianity shared by Protestants, Catholics, and Orthodox (so that nobody can dodge the bullet) and then a counter example that would convince a reasonable person that this core assumption is extremely unlikely if not impossible?

EDIT: And exclude the assumptions from Christian scholasticism such as omnipotence, omnibenevolence, etc. I don't consider those things core assumptions. A core assumption might be "the crucifixion served a divine purpose". That's the type of thing I'm after.

The core belief of Christianity is that Jesus was crucified and then rose from the dead. Optionally, you can accept the divinity of Christ.

There is insufficient evidence to support that claim. Beyond that, I don't know what you would require for a debunking. What are your victory conditions?

 

[ananda]

Can I find a counter example to debunk this assumption to my satisfaction?

IMO yes. The failure of a supposed omnipotent or omniscient deity to indisputably and immutably preserve its message through time proves it can neither be omnipotent nor omniscient.