Atheists, can Christianity be debunked fully?

[HitchSlap]

If it cannot be proven or disproven, truth is not known.

Which is why I like to proportion my beliefs to the evidence.

You have some odd thinking about truth.

I can see why you would think that.

Personally I wouldn’t roll the dice on eternity.

If eternity frightens you, by all means, believe what you need to.

That’s a long, long, long time if your wrong.

Indeed.

Like going ‘all in’ in poker with no hand at all

If your god exists, and has any integrity, then I'm sure he can tell if I'm bluffing.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

My faith in Christianity has withered to the point that I have a hard time imagining ever believing again, but I like to double-check my conclusions periodically.

GOOD ! ???
i.e. placing faith in as you call it , what you have seen and known of 'Christianity' could only lead to failure .

i.e. you do not have to believe again in what you saw and heard and knew of 'Christianity' ever before now, I think.

A sheep needs a shepherd, not a religion. (first hint).

A dead man needs a life-giving SPIRIT. (second hint).

A lost soul needs a redeemer, savior, comforter, healer. (3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th hint).

Seek TRUTH, LIVING TRUTH, from the ONLY ONE Who is able to heal you.

Do not let anything fake, counterfeit, or different from the TRUTH
dissuade you from seeking the TRUTH and only TRUTH.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

My understanding is that in life he taught people how to know God and in death he took our sins so we could make it to heaven.

But I’m a no good atheist so I may be miles off.

Perhaps an atheist is like a lost sheep miles off, away from the source of life and of living water and of eternal healing.

If that might happen, then that sheep would/ could/ should? listen closely for THE SHEPHERD (not paying attention to the bad shepherds of course)
and
IF EVER that sheep hears* THE SHEPHERD (the TRUE ONE)
perhaps
there is a chance for that sheep.

(*)(not counting hearing the JUDGE'S JUDGMENT on JUDGMENT DAY)

 

[2PhiloVoid]

The fastest way to get a cold beer on the valley floor is to jump from the top of Half Dome without a parachute. Is this an unjustified belief, or are there "various intractable complexities" I should consider before jumping?

Yes, it is unjustified. I'm fairly sure, although just short of certain, that if you travel through a suction tube connecting the top of the Dome to the projected Beer Destination, you may get to that cold beer just a tad bit faster. Perhaps more safely, as well. But, I could be wrong.

And what of these "various Logics the processes of Herneneutics, thereby amplifying the use of our reasoning" can tell us if I should jump or not? I mean, drinking a cold beer in 23 seconds sure beats 8 miles of trail and 8 hours of hiking.

Well, the first thing that Hermeneteutics would suggest to us is to pay attention to the language being used in a discussion. Sometimes, there are little three-letter words (and sometimes four-letter words) that may make or break the context of meaning in what is being said.

I mean, the last thing I would want to do is close myself off from the possibility of reaching the valley floor in less than a minute, vs. 8 hours.

You're a wise man, HitchSlap.

Peace.

Peace.

 

[ToBeLoved]

It’s a long time if you back the wrong god.

You’re not rolling a dice between God and nothing you’re rolling the dice between God, all the various other creator gods and nothing.

Well. I pray all the time to my God and I know my God exists.

Interesting how the non-spiritual discount the spiritual even when they’ve not experienced it.

I would also add there are over 4 BILLION Christians on earth right now believing in and worshipping our God. And how many over the expanse of human life we do not know.

I am all in with my odds
Here. I’m not worried at all.

People are brighter than aetheist think. Discounting billions of people. Like they have a relationship with nothing is odd.

But whatever floats your land- locked boat

 

[cloudyday2]

If you understand that Jesus ONLY came for the Jews in life. Many verses spell it out specifically.

All Jesus words were for the Jews. That was their chance to embrace Christ and not reject Him. To see Him as their Messiah promised to them specifically by God.

ONLY in death and after His death and ressurection, did the New Covenant come into affect, which is the covenant for all Jew AND Gentile.

So, in life, Christ was only for the Jews.

In death and after all sin debt, for all people was PAID. IN that, the New Covenant began.

Understanding that Jesus entire life, until the moment of death was the Jews time to realize He is their Messiah. Once He died, that time was over and in His death He became the High Priest of the New Covenant.

We have the time of the gentiles now in that with the Jewish rejection of Him, God has blessed us. Not that the Jews are not God's chosen people still, they are. But God says He has hardened their hearts to bring in a time of the gentiles, since they rejected the Messiah God sent them

That is an interesting idea, and I like your explanation, but I see a flaw. Jesus was rejected by the high priest and his pals. These people were mostly in their position of power due to politics and money. It would be like punishing the Russian people because Stalin rejected Jesus as God's promised Czar.

 

[HitchSlap]

Well. I pray all the time to my God and I know my God exists.

I disagree, IMO, you believe you know your god exists. This may be different than actually knowing, since knowledge is demonstrable.

Interesting how the non-spiritual discount the spiritual even when they’ve not experienced it.

Whether you've experienced it, as I have, or never have, is non-sequitur to actually demonstrating a spiritual experience is anything other than a function of the brain. All religions, as well as secular people through art, music, travel, report "spiritual" experiences.

Do you have a way that we could determine if they are actual supernatural, or simply a process of the brain that all humans with normal functioning neurology can experience?

I would also add there are over 4 BILLION Christians on earth right now believing in and worshipping our God. And how many over the expanse of human life we do not know.

It's a pretty large number, I'm sure. But isn't this just an ad populum argument?

I am all in with my odds Here. I’m not worried at all.

No one's trying to get you to worry. We're just talking here.

People are brighter than aetheist think.

Some of the brightest people I've met are theists.

Discounting billions of people. Like they have a relationship with nothing is odd.

I'm not discounting billions of people, just one... mine.

But whatever floats your land- locked boat

I certainly don't feel land-locked, as I'm able to accept things as they are.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

That is an interesting idea, and I like your explanation, but I see a flaw. Jesus was rejected by the high priest and his pals. These people were mostly in their position of power due to politics and money. It would be like punishing the Russian people because Stalin rejected Jesus as God's promised Czar.

When KING DAVID sinned, a lot of people died and suffered at YHVH'S HAND.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I would also add there are over 4 BILLION Christians on earth right now believing in and worshipping our God. And how many over the expanse of human life we do not know.

I think it was shown before, without too much difficulty at all,
that that is no where near how many true Christians are on earth.
Start at home, though,
and start "asking" people if they are really true Christians,
with appropriate questions testing them from and by GOD'S STANDARD/JUDGMENT ,
and see how many are and are not.

It is shocking to most people to find out how few are.

 

[Larniavc]

Well. I pray all the time to my God and I know my God exists.

Interesting how the non-spiritual discount the spiritual even when they’ve not experienced it.

I would also add there are over 4 BILLION Christians on earth right now believing in and worshipping our God. And how many over the expanse of human life we do not know.

I am all in with my odds
Here. I’m not worried at all.

People are brighter than aetheist think. Discounting billions of people. Like they have a relationship with nothing is odd.

But whatever floats your land- locked boat

It’s closer to 2.2 billion.

But let’s say it is 4. That’s 2.9 billion equally ‘bright’ people who YOU discount as having a relationship with nothing.

But if a thinker, eh?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

a relationship with nothing.

Sadly, grievously, a relationship but not with nothing. Rather, with evil. (the whole world, all society outside of Christ Jesus).

 

[HitchSlap]

Sadly, grievously, a relationship but not with nothing. Rather, with evil. (the whole world, all society outside of Christ Jesus).

Where does Jesus live?

 

[ToBeLoved]

I can see why you would think that.
.

I consider the word truth to be an absolute probably. Especially in regards to my faith.

 

[ToBeLoved]

It’s closer to 2.2 billion.

But let’s say it is 4. That’s 2.9 billion equally ‘bright’ people who YOU discount as having a relationship with nothing.

But if a thinker, eh?

Why don’t you provide where you get your stats from then if you think it’s lower?

I use Pew Internet. One of the most respected in the game.

I can only speak for myself and those I know well and personally, which holds much more credibility with me than strangers.

 

[HitchSlap]

I consider the word truth to be an absolute probably. Especially in regards to my faith.

That’s fine, but how would you know if you’re wrong?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

That’s fine, but how would you know if you’re wrong?

That's not fine for Ekklesia who know they are wrong.

They cannot know they are wrong, because of what they said they trusted,
unless they change who they trust, can they ?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Where does Jesus live?

Why do you want to know ?

 

[ToBeLoved]

That’s fine, but how would you know if you’re wrong?

Well Jesus is historically documented to have existed for one. As well as other things in the Bible.

Plus all the places existed and are historically accurate on old maps, ect.

The Dead Sea scrolls and carbon dating has proved our scripture has existed for thousands and thousands of years.

Don’t forget, the Old Testament began with Judaism which is older than Christianity so we have good history and a lot has been explored and proven.

 

[Tinker Grey]

Why don’t you provide where you get your stats from then if you think it’s lower?

I use Pew Internet. One of the most respected in the game.

I can only speak for myself and those I know well and personally, which holds much more credibility with me than strangers.

Right here from Pew, 2.3 Billion: Christians remain world’s largest religious group, but they are declining in Europe

 

[ToBeLoved]

Right here from Pew, 2.3 Billion: Christians remain world’s largest religious group, but they are declining in Europe

That was 2015