Atheist morality.

[Eudaimonist]

The answer to that is : Professed Atheists do not have nor want an absolute Standard of Morality or Ethics ; they view such absolutism as an affront to being a 'freethinker' and they turn from anything that would come against complete autonomy and necessity to be their own authority in life.

Not true of me. I don't believe that I determine moral right and wrong. I believe that an objective ethical standard is a discovery, not an invention.

Please speak only for yourself and those few atheists who may have shaped your opinion on what atheists are like. You are failing badly to see the big picture.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Nithavela]

Pedophilia is now growing more from this and its almost as though some are believing it is a normal thing which is crazy.

What is actually growing is widespread paranoia about pedophilia. In these days, if a child is crying alone in a mall because it has lost its parents, a man cannot go to the child and help it because of fear of being branded a sexual predator.

 

[Ana the Ist]

As I said its not really about morality but being born again and living in the spirit of God.

Well that's a relief, I thought you were talking about morality. Nevermind then.

 

[JGG]

As I said its not really about morality but being born again and living in the spirit of God. You are no longer living according to the flesh but to the spirit of God. The spirit of God is opposed to the things of the flesh and they both cannot exist together.
So the morals or qualities of God are the fruits of the spirit and the things that Christ taught and displayed.

Oooh. I want this too. Can you define "things of the flesh" and "the spurit of God"? These strike me as pretty muddy, undefined, maleable concepts.

 

[stevevw]

You do realize that the idea of an innocent child developed in our society less than 100 years ago right? I mean, in the early 1900s kids were having full time jobs and drinking alcohol. Gosh, back in biblical times it wasn't unusual for an 8 year old girl to be married to a 30+ year old man.

And it isn't as if the bible has a clear position on every little action a human being can do. For all we know in the eyes of god watching TV is immoral because you could be using that time for worship, or some other such thing like that. Yeah, religion doesn't exactly provide any more consistency in morals than just being secular does.

All I know is that the sexualization of society seems to be getting worse. I'm not sure they had organized pedophilia rings happening like they are now. Besides thats not the point. Saying things happened years ago doesn't justify it or make it right. Thats what I'm talking about how people seem to come up with reasons why its not so bad and its always happened and so just accept it. Its the same with violence and other images with movies, games and music videos. Its all desensitizing people especially the young.

 

[Syd the Human]

All I know is that the sexualization of society seems to be getting worse. I'm not sure they had organized pedophilia rings happening like they are now. Besides thats not the point. Saying things happened years ago doesn't justify it or make it right. Thats what I'm talking about how people seem to come up with reasons why its not so bad and its always happened and so just accept it. Its the same with violence and other images with movies, games and music videos. Its all desensitizing people especially the young.

The "sexualization" is not getting worse. Pedophilia used to be more accepted. Men with boys was somewhat common in Greece I think. So they weren't organized and underground, it was not considered bad at all. So if anything we have improved in that area.

They were training children to be soldiers way back then. And still are actually in parts of Africa. Children and violence is not something that's new. I mean, would you rather a kid play a violent video game or actually live out the violence seen in video games?

The world is not getting worse IMO. It's the same just in new ways, both good and bad.

 

[stevevw]

The "sexualization" is not getting worse. Pedophilia used to be more accepted. Men with boys was somewhat common in Greece I think. So they weren't organized and underground, it was not considered bad at all. So if anything we have improved in that area.

They were training children to be soldiers way back then. And still are actually in parts of Africa. Children and violence is not something that's new. I mean, would you rather a kid play a violent video game or actually live out the violence seen in video games?

The world is not getting worse IMO. It's the same just in new ways, both good and bad.

I guess it depends how you look at it. I know we use to be able to play on the streets unsupervised and leave your cars unlocked. Now people are to scared to. Whether thats in the head or actual I dont know but it certainly has affected our way of life. Suicide rates and depression have increased as well. Mental illness seems to be increasing and there's more violent attacks. In fights they use to stop when one person went down and a winner was declared. Now when they go down they keep going and kicking the daylights out of them until they are dead or have brain damage. Seem to be a lot of gang related violence here in OZ now as well. To scared to go out late at night. Certain areas no go zones and organized crime is growing. The drugs are worse and they come up with a new one that seems to push the limits towards insanity more. Maybe the damage is just starting to take hold from decades of drug use. But some of these drugs are frying peoples brains and making them do crazy things.

 

[Ruthie24]

Someone was talking about this earlier and I brought up that the atheists I know seem to take a moral stand according to what is politically correct wherever they live. Am I missing something? Is there a moral standard around the world that atheists go by or is it true that their moral fiber is determined by prevailing political winds?

Belief systems and politics go hand in hand sometimes. If you believe something so much, you want to push your worldview onto the rest of society if you are so inclined, because somehow, you've got the IN on God or not God. Look at all the wars and deaths and murders because of religion, in the name of god or no god. Stalin was an atheist and that guy killed off 20,000,000 people. Hitler pretended he was a Christian to the masses but really he was a major occultist and he killed 12,000,000 with 1/2 being Jews. So I think there is a political agenda to atheism yes. Same thing with other religions. Look at Islam and the advent of Sharia Law. Look at the caste system in India. Christianity has their own political agenda though sometimes I question whether it is really Christ based or not. When I look at the political winds of today, I do not see the real spirit of Christ, I see something completely different. If we were truly for our brother and for mankind, it would be shown through our works. In Elizabethan times, anyone who disagreed with the crown, with 'God the King' was killed. I don't see how the political systems of the day have solved any of mans daunting problems because we are hell bent on blowing each other to smithereens.

 

[TheyCallMeDavid]

See, there you go again. I'm sure I'm not the first to tell you that atheism isn't a philosophy. It isn't a code of ethics. Atheism answers one, very specific question; Do you believe in God(s)? That's it.

Anytime you try to attach specific philosophies regarding the ethics of atheists, you misrepresent atheists everywhere. Perhaps you had very specific ideas when you were an atheist but that doesn't mean we all subscribe to those same ideas.

Heck, even Christians disagree with each other on some of the most important tenets of their faith. If you get together 350 Christians, you are likely to get 350 different interpretations of scripture. Where's the objectivity in that?

There are Christians that are total pacifists and would never kill even in self defense. Then there are Christians that believe Jesus would blow Satan away with a 10 gauge had he had one in his time. They easily justify killing another man with self defense. Who's right and who's wrong and who gets to decide who's right and who's wrong in this scenario?

Its common for the professed atheist to tell us that 'they just don't believe in the supernatural (God) ' and THATS IT . Sorry that is not just it ; in fact because the Universe is here, earth is here, you are here, specified complexity by way of information in DNA is here, and reality exists...... it demands an explanation from an individual . By default if atheism is true, then its the NATURAL and MATERIAL that was the first cause ... even the absurdity of the natural and material giving us non material entitys we all occupy such as logic, reason, free will, design, abstract thought, consciousness, etc... I wonder why the Atheist is quite reluctant to really get into what he / she DOES believe in ?? Why do u supposed that is ? Perhaps its because its a whole lot safer and convenient to just stay with the old adage of :' We JUST don't believe in a Creator' . Maybe instead of being so disingenuous, the atheist should explain and backup his affirmative beliefs instead of spouting the common negative retort . What do you think ?

Just as there are varieties of Christians , there are also varieties of professed atheists ; there are Scientist atheists and agnostics who even declare that all of the Sciences are leading back to the supernatural such as Dr. Robert Jastrow , founder of NASA Goddard Institute and well respected around the world. There are atheists who hold to absolute moral laws where other atheists don't. Some atheists refuse to talk and behave in a lowlife manner using profanity and vile language, while other atheists enjoy doing so. Ive even met a so called professed atheist who finally admitted after 15 minutes of conversation that she 'Just wants to be her own god' when it comes to doing life . This came from the mouth of a 70 year old woman who isn't ashamed of making casual sex a regular pursuit. So, don't badger Christians for being widespread in their beliefs ; one thing all true genuine Christ Followers have in common is that they believe and know that the Creator of us all exists and that Christ is his name . You cant even get all professed Atheists to agree on Materialism anymore , for , even Guru Dawkins is now declaring that intelligent Aliens of a superior mind brought us first life and used a spaceship to do it ! That's a far cry from traditional atheism for a worldview . Can u see the desperation atheists are having when considering a worldview ? Its called arrogance multiplied.

 

[Gadarene]

Its common for the professed atheist to tell us that 'they just don't believe in the supernatural (God) ' and THATS IT . Sorry that is not just it ; in fact because the Universe is here, earth is here, you are here, specified complexity by way of information in DNA is here, and reality exists...... it demands an explanation from an individual . By default if atheism is true, then its the NATURAL and MATERIAL that was the first cause ... even the absurdity of the natural and material giving us non material entitys we all occupy such as logic, reason, free will, design, abstract thought, consciousness, etc... I wonder why the Atheist is quite reluctant to really get into what he / she DOES believe in ?? Why do u supposed that is ? Perhaps its because its a whole lot safer and convenient to just stay with the old adage of :' We JUST don't believe in a Creator' . Maybe instead of being so disingenuous, the atheist should explain and backup his affirmative beliefs instead of spouting the common negative retort . What do you think ?

Just as there are varieties of Christians , there are also varieties of professed atheists ; there are Scientist atheists and agnostics who even declare that all of the Sciences are leading back to the supernatural such as Dr. Robert Jastrow , founder of NASA Goddard Institute and well respected around the world. There are atheists who hold to absolute moral laws where other atheists don't. Some atheists refuse to talk and behave in a lowlife manner using profanity and vile language, while other atheists enjoy doing so. Ive even met a so called professed atheist who finally admitted after 15 minutes of conversation that she 'Just wants to be her own god' when it comes to doing life . This came from the mouth of a 70 year old woman who isn't ashamed of making casual sex a regular pursuit. So, don't badger Christians for being widespread in their beliefs ; one thing all true genuine Christ Followers have in common is that they believe and know that the Creator of us all exists and that Christ is his name . You cant even get all professed Atheists to agree on Materialism anymore , for , even Guru Dawkins is now declaring that intelligent Aliens of a superior mind brought us first life and used a spaceship to do it ! That's a far cry from traditional atheism for a worldview . Can u see the desperation atheists are having when considering a worldview ? Its called arrogance multiplied.

So then you admit that not all atheists simply want to be their own gods / hedonists / etc as you have repeatedly asserted?

 

[TheyCallMeDavid]

So then you admit that not all atheists simply want to be their own gods / hedonists / etc as you have repeatedly asserted?

Yes, all professed atheists do want to be their own god and have complete authority and control over their lifestyle choices....but precious few professed atheists are willing to come right out and admit it in an honest candid moment . How 'bout you....are you able to come clean and admit it too ? The admission always comes after a professed atheist finally surrenders his life to the real God . I hope one day you will give up being #1 and become #2...only then will life take on a different meaning, purpose, and ultimate fulfillment ------- the kind we are all designed for.

 

[Gadarene]

Yes, all professed atheists do want to be their own god and have complete authority and control over their lifestyle choices....but precious few professed atheists are willing to come right out and admit it in an honest candid moment . How 'bout you....are you able to come clean and admit it too ? The admission always comes after a professed atheist finally surrenders his life to the real God . I hope one day you will give up being #1 and become #2...only then will life take on a different meaning, purpose, and ultimate fulfillment ------- the kind we are all designed for.

Ah, nevermind - thought you were close to a cogent thought there.

Keep on lyin' for Jesus! Doing him proud

 

[JGG]

Yes, all professed atheists do want to be their own god and have complete authority and control over their lifestyle choices....but precious few professed atheists are willing to come right out and admit it in an honest candid moment . How 'bout you....are you able to come clean and admit it too ? The admission always comes after a professed atheist finally surrenders his life to the real God . I hope one day you will give up being #1 and become #2...only then will life take on a different meaning, purpose, and ultimate fulfillment ------- the kind we are all designed for.

May I be the first to say no? When you say God I have no idea what you're talking about. Honestly. Frankly, I doubt you really know either. Also, if you think I could fill such a role, your God is far too small for me.

 

[Eudaimonist]

Yes, all professed atheists do want to be their own god and have complete authority and control over their lifestyle choices....

Mindreading fail.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Cearbhall]

Yes, all professed atheists do want to be their own god and have complete authority and control over their lifestyle choices....

Not really. You're just so stuck on the idea that there has to be a god figure that you can't even comprehend that our worldview doesn't include one. We don't believe that gods exist, so no, we don't want to be "our own gods." That accusation is as meaningful to me as claiming that I want to be my own wizard overlord. We just don't believe in any sentient being higher than animals.

The admission always comes after a professed atheist finally surrenders his life to the real God .

Well, yeah. If a person comes to believe in a system that includes a god figure, then that person is going to feel like he or she previously was playing the role of God.

Are you literally just here to be condescending all the time? Do you think we've never heard a better argument for Christianity?

 

[Cute Tink]

Yes, all professed atheists do want to be their own god and have complete authority and control over their lifestyle choices....but precious few professed atheists are willing to come right out and admit it in an honest candid moment . How 'bout you....are you able to come clean and admit it too ? The admission always comes after a professed atheist finally surrenders his life to the real God . I hope one day you will give up being #1 and become #2...only then will life take on a different meaning, purpose, and ultimate fulfillment ------- the kind we are all designed for.

I don't believe I'm a god at all. What I find interesting is that there seems to be no shortage of Christians who want dominion over my "lifestyle choices" though

 

[bhsmte]

I don't believe I'm a god at all. What I find interesting is that there seems to be no shortage of Christians who want dominion over my "lifestyle choices" though

You noticed that too?

Whatever happened to the whole; take the log out of your own eye thing with these people?

 

[Ruthie24]

I don't believe I'm a god at all. What I find interesting is that there seems to be no shortage of Christians who want dominion over my "lifestyle choices" though

I personally don't care about your lifestyle choices and I'm a Christian. It's easy to generalize groups of people like that if you have an agenda though.

 

[Gadarene]

I personally don't care about your lifestyle choices and I'm a Christian. It's easy to generalize groups of people like that if you have an agenda though.

Where did he generalise? He said there was no shortage of Christians who do this - not "all Christians".

His point is exactly bang-on, too - most atheists do not think they are gods (the clue is in the name), but there are plenty of Christians who, apparently without irony, want to control the lives of others.

 

[Ruthie24]

Where did he generalise? He said there was no shortage of Christians - not "all Christians".

His point is exactly bang-on, too - most atheists do not think they are gods (the clue is the name), but there are plenty of Christians who, apparently without irony, want to control the lives of others.

Um, I don't think I'm God, I know a lot of people who feel the same way and are not trying to control how you believe. Saying " no shortage of Christian's" is making a generalization by inference.