Atheism one year with no reason to believe

[TheListener]

What do you mean, wasn't Jesus physichally ressurected? Did I understand you correctly?

 

[CaptainVirtuous]

God rasied Jesus from the dead didn't he?

We don't really know this. Just because it is in a book that people claim is God's word, does not make it true. During those times there were actually many people claiming to be the son of God who travelled around with followers who supposedly performed miracle healings and rose from the dead. Your reasoning is like me saying evolution is obviously the correct answer because I read it in a science book. Is it so hard to understand that some one believes something you find impossible. I'm not trying to tell you that you are wrong in believing God created life. The truth is, neither of our beliefs on the orgin of life has been proven and both will possibly never be proven, so the whole argument is pointless. This is the last response in this thread I will make about creation vs evolution; if you want to talk moe about it just send me a PM or something.

Feel free to ask any other questions you have for Morrowind360 and I may also answer some of the questions directed towards him but relate them to my own personal experience.

 

[TheListener]

...many people claiming to be the son of God who travelled around with followers who supposedly performed miracle healings and rose from the dead....

The Bible tells us of those who went around doing 'magic' this is ok with me. None, however, that I know of were raised from the dead.

We are not talking about creation theory here, you can't just make your 'point' and ask the other person to remain silent. If you don't want to read these then might I suggest you don't. But others will be reading this and for their sake I'll write down what I know.

If you wish to indulge me then answer the following:

1) Have any of these other 'people claiming to be Christ' fulfilled the prophecies of the Old Testament?
2) Have any of these other 'people claiming to be Christ' gone to the cross, died, and came back to life just as they predicted and fulfilled Old Testament prophecies?
3) Have any of these 'people claiming to be Christ' had followers turn from being meek simple men into being fearless public speakers virtually overnight because they actually saw their 'people claiming to be Christ' alive?
4) And have any of these followers fearlessly went to their death proclaiming the ressurection of the 'people claiming to be Christ'?

 

[Mailman Dan]

It really is sad when family won't accept your ideas just because they differ from theirs.

Any Christian won't just "accept" atheistic beliefs either.

Ever consider the fact that it isn't dislike, but that of concern that causes it?

If I truely believe you are going to stand before a holy God and give an account of every thing you've ever done, even in secret....

and I also believe, as the bible says, that He will hold everyone accountable because we know right from wrong in the conscience....

and I believe that the scriptures are correct, and all liars, theives, adulters, blasphemers, and everyone who has broken the moral laws of God will be punished....

Don't you think i'm going to do everything in my power to get you to repent and put your faith in Christ for payment of sin before you die?

It isn't because I don't like atheist. If that were the case, i'd say nothing and let them find their end after they die. It's because we really do care that we spend time pleading, whole heartedly, that they keep looking for God.

Time is not on a Christians side. We know everyone dies, and assume to know what occures on the other side of death. It breaks the hearts of true believers when you reject mercy, because we FEAR what will happen to those who die without Christ.

It's like seeing your neighbors house is on fire, and yelling at him to come out....but he doesn't see, or believe, there really is a fire.

You'd probably yell louder, wouldn't you?


Dan~~~>has a heart felt concern for non-christians

 

[CaptainVirtuous]

Any Christian won't just "accept" atheistic beliefs either.

Ever consider the fact that it isn't dislike, but that of concern that causes it?

If I truely believe you are going to stand before a holy God and give an account of every thing you've ever done, even in secret....

and I also believe, as the bible says, that He will hold everyone accountable because we know right from wrong in the conscience....

and I believe that the scriptures are correct, and all liars, theives, adulters, blasphemers, and everyone who has broken the moral laws of God will be punished....

Don't you think i'm going to do everything in my power to get you to repent and put your faith in Christ for payment of sin before you die?

It isn't because I don't like atheist. If that were the case, i'd say nothing and let them find their end after they die. It's because we really do care that we spend time pleading, whole heartedly, that they keep looking for God.

Time is not on a Christians side. We know everyone dies, and assume to know what occures on the other side of death. It breaks the hearts of true believers when you reject mercy, because we FEAR what will happen to those who die without Christ.

It's like seeing your neighbors house is on fire, and yelling at him to come out....but he doesn't see, or believe, there really is a fire.

You'd probably yell louder, wouldn't you?


Dan~~~>has a heart felt concern for non-christians

Having someone in your family not accept the fact that you believe something different is a real kick in the face. Even though I'm lucky enough to have a family that accepts my beliefs, I've still had to deal with the rejection a bit. When someone in your family does not accept the fact that you are not Christian it will push you further away from the whole Christian belief. If they are will to accept the fact that you have a different belief and just have open minded discussions, they will get a much better response out of them. The best way to convert a non-Christian is to talk to them with an open-mind, listen to what they have to say and explain your beliefs to them in a way that does not attack their belief. I wouldn't yell for my neighbor, I would run in to save him. Plus what if it was the other way around; there is no fire really there but you think there is one. No way to tell which of the 2 people are crazy until it's all over.

For TheListener...I am not trying to keep you from stating your side and it was about creation theory if you look at where the conversation started. I also do not know all the details about all the proclaimed sons of God that existed then due to the fact records of these events are not as wide spread as the Bible and I am not an expert. I was never trying to say you were wrong or I am right, but was originally just answering your question of "How I think life began". This was never meant to be an argument. This thread was to ask an athiest questions, not to attack their beliefs.

 

[TheListener]

No one is attacking your beliefs, we are simply trying to help you see both sides of the coin. The choice (and consequences) are ultimately yours.

 

[CaptainVirtuous]

No one is attacking your beliefs, we are simply trying to help you see both sides of the coin. The choice (and consequences) are ultimately yours.

I know both sides of the coin because I have experienced both first hand just like the OP has. I have chose one side while you have chosen the other. Whether or not you have examined both sides I do not know, but none of us really know how the coin is going to land.

 

[TheListener]

I know both sides of the coin because I have experienced both first hand just like the OP has. I have chose one side while you have chosen the other. Whether or not you have examined both sides I do not know, but none of us really know how the coin is going to land.

I have examined a few different sides of the coin so-to-speak. I am aware of atheist beliefs.

 

[CaptainVirtuous]

I have examined a few different sides of the coin so-to-speak. I am aware of atheist beliefs.

I'm glad you have examined other beliefs. Having an understanding of other religions can help strengthen your own beliefs. Atheist and Agnostic seem easy to understand, but can actually be some of the hardest to truly understand because they are based more so on an individuals own personal life experience rather than a book of rules and stories for everyone to read. I'm not trying to say you do not understand the athiest belief, but stating the fact that it will changer for almost every person. Always keep an open mind while stating your side of the story without being offensive because it makes non-believers more likely to listen. I'm only saying that because some of your posts (not just this thread) attack other people's beliefs.

 

[TheListener]

I disagree. I think atheism is based on pride and a selfish love of sin. Sin can be fun and atheism has no concept of sin. No one watching you, do whatever you want. I've been there done that. Moved on. There's more to life.

 

[MartinM]

I think atheism is based on pride and a selfish love of sin.

Well, you're wrong. Get over yourself.

 

[MartinM]

What do you mean?

I mean that there's no conceivable observation which would be inconsistent with the existence of a deity, and so the existence of a deity would explain exactly nothing.

 

[Eudaimonist]

I disagree. I think atheism is based on pride and a selfish love of sin. Sin can be fun and atheism has no concept of sin. No one watching you, do whatever you want. I've been there done that. Moved on. There's more to life.

I agree 100% that there is more to life, and most atheists understand that already. I'm happy for your realization.

I don't personally believe that it is a good idea for me "to do whatever I want", even if I knew somehow that the government couldn't catch and punish me. One can be an atheist and be interested in morality.

You weren't an atheist so much as a nihilist.

 

[ServantofTheOne]

You're correct. That's what the evidence suggests. That the entire universe is being run according to pure physics, no supernatural being involved. HOWEVER! In my opinion, that was done DELIBERATELY by God, to ensure that people would be fooled into believing that this massive universe was created purely by luck/freak of physics. Because you won't be totally free unless you believe that there is NO GOD TO JUDGE YOU. If you believe there is no god to judge you, then you will be free to make up your own rules on what is right and what is wrong. That is exactly what God wants. He doesn't want you to slavishly goose-step to his dictates. He wants you to turn THIS world into Heaven. And you can start by eliminating institutionalized rape, as used to exist in Iraq and still exists in Iran. What's your plan?

this information you give of what God wants is as if you had a conversation with him. is this correct or are your claims about what God wants just conjecture.

 

[A. believer]

It really is sad when family won't accept your ideas just because they differ from theirs. I'm lucky to have an open-minded family about religion for the most part. The only ones that really don't like my beliefs live far enough away that I never see them. I am an athiest based on what I believe but agnostic because I'm open to any possiblities and opinions.

Thirteen is about the age I was when I questioned Christianity as well so I've probably been in your spot. When I was about 16 I actually started going to church with a couple friends and tried to be a Christian for about a year. That included the accepting Christ, praying, reading the Bible, and all that good stuff but it turned out I never really could believe in religion. As you continue to get older, just always keep an open mind about people's beliefs and learn about different religions. You may stumble upon something that may suit you better, and if not, it will help you have a better understanding of what you already do believe.

Your testimony thus far sounds very similar to mine at the same stage in life as you are now. Then at 24, I received new life in Christ. Perhaps your life will take a similar turn.

 

[A. believer]

I mean that there's no conceivable observation which would be inconsistent with the existence of a deity, and so the existence of a deity would explain exactly nothing.

We don't just observe reality, we experience it. And we must interpret reality not only in accordance with our observations but with our experience in order for our interpretation to render all of reality intelligible.

 

[Morrowind360]

Things are worse with my grandmother shes talking to a preist to give me daily phone calls.

The listener atheism is not ignorence and selfishness I dont know why im explaining this to you since you contradict me in every way posible.I definetly dont believe in god he has never spoken to me but his book threatenes me with hell. If you read the full bible you would see youre god isent a peaceful god but a evil and war ridden one.Heres examples killing innocents,captureing little girls and raping them,sexism,and giving consent to marying ones sister.Its not all that good as you believe in it.

I strongly any sects of christianity because the religon is based on hate,murders,and fear.I tolerate all religons that are apart from christianity excep hurtful cults.A couple of examples Deism,Wiccan,and atheism.I will never turn back to such a evil religon I most likely stay with atheism.

I can give verses in the bible that advocate evil if you want but not now.

I believe in scirence and common sense not a hatefill non existant god.

 

[Morrowind360]

one more thing.this is some conclusions about god.

1) God exists.
2) God is real but can oly help me in the spiritual life
3) Because God is omniscient he knows what evidence would cause me to believe in him.
4) Because God is omnipotent he has the power to easily show me this evidence.
5)Gods doesent exist
6)God exists but doesent care
7)God loves toying with people

I just think if god was all powerful he would be able to show me evidenseand no he hasent shown evidense.The bible realy has no evidense to it.

 

[ahumanistbloke]

If you read the full bible you would see youre god isent a peaceful god but a evil and war ridden one.Heres examples killing innocents,captureing little girls and raping them,sexism,and giving consent to marying ones sister.Its not all that good as you believe in it.

You just set yourself up for flaming man. I did the same thing, and things got CRAZY. Take cover!

 

[Morrowind360]

Sorry just some scripture and thoughts.


Rape: Rape is one of the most heinous crimes imaginable. Yet few people know that the Bible often condones and even approves of rape. How anyone can get their moral guidance from a book that allows rape escapes me. Perhaps they have been lied to about the Bible and carefully detoured around all the nasty stuff in the Bible


1) Murder, rape, and pillage at Jabesh-gilead (Judges 21:10-24 NLT)



So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children. "This is what you are to do," they said. "Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin." Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan.



The Israelite assembly sent a peace delegation to the little remnant of Benjamin who were living at the rock of Rimmon. Then the men of Benjamin returned to their homes, and the four hundred women of Jabesh-gilead who were spared were given to them as wives. But there were not enough women for all of them. The people felt sorry for Benjamin because the LORD had left this gap in the tribes of Israel. So the Israelite leaders asked, "How can we find wives for the few who remain, since all the women of the tribe of Benjamin are dead? There must be heirs for the survivors so that an entire tribe of Israel will not be lost forever. But we cannot give them our own daughters in marriage because we have sworn with a solemn oath that anyone who does this will fall under God's curse."



Then they thought of the annual festival of the LORD held in Shiloh, between Lebonah and Bethel, along the east side of the road that goes from Bethel to Shechem. They told the men of Benjamin who still needed wives, "Go and hide in the vineyards. When the women of Shiloh come out for their dances, rush out from the vineyards, and each of you can take one of them home to be your wife! And when their fathers and brothers come to us in protest, we will tell them, 'Please be understanding. Let them have your daughters, for we didn't find enough wives for them when we destroyed Jabesh-gilead. And you are not guilty of breaking the vow since you did not give your daughters in marriage to them.'" So the men of Benjamin did as they were told. They kidnapped the women who took part in the celebration and carried them off to the land of their own inheritance. Then they rebuilt their towns and lived in them. So the assembly of Israel departed by tribes and families, and they returned to their own homes.

Obviously these women were repeatedly raped. These sick *******s killed and raped an entire town and then wanted more virgins, so they hid beside the road to kidnap and rape some more. How can anyone see this as anything but evil?

2) Murder, rape and pillage of the Midianites (Numbers 31:7-18 NLT)



They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.



Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded. "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.



Clearly Moses and God approves of rape of virgins. One of the sickest things you can do.

Just some thoughts its pretty long thanks for reading.Iput whare you can find these verses in the bible you look it up youreself if you want to.I have more stuff like this but it would take too long.Any comments