At times like this...

[Larniavc]

That was our own fault for being careless.

In what way did human careless create viruses (or pathogens in general)?

 

[Subduction Zone]

The evidence that mules are sterile? That's common knowledge. There's no breeding population of mules.
Ligers are not sterile. There's a hybrid called a Liliger which is a male lion x a female liger that have produced offspring.
You can look up how many chromosomes P.leo and P.tigris have yourself but it's 38.
vs E.africanus has 62 chromosomes, E.ferus has 64. mules and hinnies have 63 as a result and are all sterile.
Number of Chromosomes is important for hybridization.

No, no no. Not what I asked for. I asked for evidence that breeding between two populations with different number of chromosomes always ends up with a sterile offspring. You just committed a black and white fallacy. The fact that some cases of interbreeding in groups with different numbers of chromosomes results in sterile offspring does not mean that all such matings do that.

And ligers and tigons are effectively sterile. They have greatly lowered ability to breed and it appears that their offspring are even more likely to be sterile. In fact I do believe that all of the males are sterile and it is only some of the females that are fertile.

 

[Strathos]

In what way did human careless create viruses (or pathogens in general)?

It didn't, but it exposed us to them and let them spread unchecked. We're still failing to contain it properly.

 

[Larniavc]

It didn't, but it exposed us to them and let them spread unchecked. We're still failing to contain it properly.

So what did he create pathogens for?

 

[Strathos]

So what did he create pathogens for?

Every organism has its place in the environment.

 

[Tinker Grey]

Every organism has its place in the environment.

It would appears that a pathogen's place is in us.

 

[Strathos]

It would appears that a pathogen's place is in us.

More like in bats.

 

[Tinker Grey]

More like in bats.

All of them? Are they good for bats?

 

[Strathos]

All of them? Are they good for bats?

Well this one was apparently native to them before it spread.

 

[Tinker Grey]

Well this one was apparently native to them before it spread.

Yeah, but would they be better with them or without them? What is the right place in the environment for all those other pathogens? Are they good for their hosts?

 

[Strathos]

Yeah, but would they be better with them or without them? What is the right place in the environment for all those other pathogens? Are they good for their hosts?

Arguing whether nature is 'good' or not by human standards is pretty silly. It just is the way it is.

 

[Jamdoc]

It would appears that a pathogen's place is in us.

For any parasitic organism, the ideal host is not one that dies from the infection but one that can replicate the virus and spread it without dying. So we are not an ideal host for a virus that might kill us. Bats aren't dying from Coronavirus, their immune systems work differently so they make excellent carriers, that's an ideal host, the immune system is suppressed (due to their flight, otherwise their immune system would kill them from so much inflammation) so its not attacking the virus, and it doesn't disable them so they can go around and spread it.
What are we an ideal host for? Herpesviridae. Herpesviruses are SO successful, infecting over 90% of the population of the world constantly, and they hide in immune privileged tissue like nerves and within the immune system itself, only replicating to break out into pox to spread to new hosts, and have very low mortality. Low virulence, high infectivity, that's a virus finding its perfect niche.
Varicella zoster virus (which is also known as Herpes zoster, or Chickenpox or shingles) might be the most successful virus that infects humans. Only in the last few decades have we begun immunizing against it.

 

[Tinker Grey]

Arguing whether nature is 'good' or not by human standards is pretty silly. It just is the way it is.

Is it good or bad that humans are susceptible to SARS-Cov-2?

 

[Larniavc]

Every organism has its place in the environment.

And what is the place for pathogens?

 

[Kylie]

Not if the alternative is special creation of each species like creationists propose.

But if that is the case, then we must also conclude that God created the Covid 19 virus as well, and thus he wants us to suffer from it.

 

[Strathos]

Is it good or bad that humans are susceptible to SARS-Cov-2?

Is it good or bad when a volcano erupts, or a tree catches on fire? It's just nature. Things happen.

And what is the place for pathogens?

I just answered this.

But if that is the case, then we must also conclude that God created the Covid 19 virus as well, and thus he wants us to suffer from it.

You can't blame God for every single thing that happens, completely ignoring human culpability. If you aren't looking where you are going and drive into a lake, do you blame the lake, or the process that put it there?

 

[Kylie]

You can't blame God for every single thing that happens, completely ignoring human culpability. If you aren't looking where you are going and drive into a lake, do you blame the lake, or the process that put it there?

Ah, once again, we have someone being perfectly happy to give God the credit when it's something they see as good, but then the excuses come when it's something they see as bad.

And as for your analogy - if there's someone who could say, "Hey, look out, you're about to drive into a lake!" but they DON'T, would you not say, "Hey, why didn't you give me any warning, ya jerk?"

 

[Larniavc]

I just answered this.

Could you clarify what that answer was? I am unable to locate the post in which you did.

 

[Strathos]

Ah, once again, we have someone being perfectly happy to give God the credit when it's something they see as good, but then the excuses come when it's something they see as bad.

And as for your analogy - if there's someone who could say, "Hey, look out, you're about to drive into a lake!" but they DON'T, would you not say, "Hey, why didn't you give me any warning, ya jerk?"

God did warn us. Isaiah 24: 4-6

Could you clarify what that answer was? I am unable to locate the post in which you did.

A virus that kills its host is unsuccessful from an evolutionary perspective. So its place is in a host where it can both reproduce and not harm the host.

 

[Kylie]

God did warn us. Isaiah 24: 4-6

How do you figure those passages are a warning about corona virus?

A virus that kills its host is unsuccessful from an evolutionary perspective. So its place is in a host where it can both reproduce and not harm the host.

And what if it enters a host it is not evolved to deal with? Is it possible that it could kill that host? I mean, you do realise that there'd still be quite a population of the virus in the original host, right? And perhaps the virus only cares about reproducing anyway. If it enters a host, reproduces like crazy and is able to infect lots more people, then it doesn't matter after that if it kills the host or not, right?